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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/9/2012 9:17:03 AM   
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Not even the same planet, let alone alike in any respect.

 

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/9/2012 9:50:04 AM   
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Speaking at VMI today he said that we should have a negotiated peace in the Middle East between Isreal and Palestine.

This from the person that told a "secret" audience that the situation there was basically never going to get fixed and we should have give up on it.




Look at the history DYB...Carter was negotiating....Nixon was negotiating....every President since both started this process have been negotiating...and in that entire time the Palestinians have come in and said "give us this and we'll be just peachy".

Since the 1970's, more leaders of the Middle East have spent more time at Camp David than any other 20 combined countries leadership.

In the late 80's....Israel gave them "this".

Guess who's (STILL) throwing missiles over at Israel (and has been since the transfer of land as well as before)? Guess which countries are sending suicide bombers into commercial areas with vests laden'd with hundreds if not thousands of nails to kill Jews?

Romney was dead on...the Palestinians do NOT want peace...they want control of Israel....not just the Gaza strip....the whole fucking shebang.

And he's dead on again (as has/have been every President since Nixon).

There should be a negotiated peace.

And when it happens....it'll last about 2 - 5 years max.

And then the Palestinians, Hezbollah and others will bomb them again.

History is your friend.


Your opinion is great. The point is why is he saying one thing to a group of donors in a private fundraiser and something completely different in public. Which is his true held view?


The same reason Obama whispered into (Russia's) Mdyedveds ear about how "after the election, I can be a bit more flexible..."

There are some things you say in private and some you say in public.

It's politics.


No, not that simple. Which view is real? If I stipulate that the conversations can happen, "politics". Fine. I don't agree at all...but just to ask the question.......Which of those two views is the real mitt romney?

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/9/2012 6:11:52 PM   
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Speaking at VMI today he said that we should have a negotiated peace in the Middle East between Isreal and Palestine.

This from the person that told a "secret" audience that the situation there was basically never going to get fixed and we should have give up on it.




Bud...I went to MMI (a lesser version of VMI...in Kentucky...now defunct).

You're too young to know about Arafat, Sadat, among others....(or, for that matter, Jack Welch)...history IS your friend.

Keep reading.

(This).

We SHOULD have a negotiated peace...I've said this previously (as has Romney)...but it's unlikely (as has Romney).

You're actually young enough to a) give a shit and b) believe that a truce can occur.

It can't....or rather...it's incredibly unlikely. History has proven that.

EVERY President since Nixon has hoped for a peace agreement but....every President since Nixon has known better (even as they kept it to themselves).

And...even as much as every President since Nixon has hoped for the best, but assumed less...

...The BEST we can do as to Israel is....

Prepare for the worst, plan for the best.

(As every President has, since Nixon).

Bud...I love your belief in people but here's the deal....I know I've knocked you on occasion, and that's my fault...I apologize....the truth is, it's because....there's people in the world that absolutely don't want some to live free.

And they sure as hell don't want you to live free. (By the way....you're/we're next).

Why?

Because it disrupts their power.

I think you're wrong on most things political...but only because you haven't lived long enough.

In time.

In 20...maybe 30 years (don't know how old you are), you'll see this...in 3D, full panoramic vision.

Shit...when you get to be my age you will probably be able to transport to the gawdamned scene as it happens.

It is sad. It's more than awful. Not that you can't see it but, that it's a real fact of life. Look at the posts in here...an unbelievably simple medium...hardly nations. And yet, some would prefer to fight, even here....and with less than zero ability to argue with factual data but yet....they still want to fight! Think about that. In something as innocuous as a freaking BDSM forum, people take up sides and are ready to lay down swords! With nothing more than conjecture and.....someone else's opinion.

Why?

Because they just fucking want to fight and they just fucking want to carry the torch of their belief systems...whether it was because they actually believed it or because someone they trusted told them it was so.

Look at all the propaganda these people are literally placated with...during their entire existence. And they don't have the education you do. You have the ability to change things but....you can't do it with bullshit....with the singular crap you've been taught.

Read.

Now it's time to learn, to fill your brain with data that literally drips out of your ears until you can't feed yourself anymore (trust me, that time will never arrive if you're serious about learning).

Believe in your own truth DYB...not someone else's...you're actually young enough that someone can factually have a real influence on you. And you're passionate enough that if someone actually connected with you fervently enough to cause you to seek out your OWN facts....you'd be a tenable force.

No one wants nations to fight over land they believe is theirs. Would you like to fight over yours?

Imagine if Iran said to you in your local headlines (imagine they live in Toronto...you're in Cleveland...I checked) "we're going to blow you off the face of the motherfucking Earth...you're the slime of the Planet...Cleveland SUCKS and everyone in it" (my brother lives in Cleveland...I know the streets, including that totally fucked up 5 way intersection on the way to Brook Park)...how would you feel?

And then they told you, you were vermin, nothing short of a waste of the Earth...destined to be nothing more than sand.

Glass, actually.

Now...Iran is frankly, a wonderful place. It's filled with more than fabulous people. Truly. They're wonderful people, with a horrible State.

Now you need to decide....do you want a guy who thinks that Iran and US......the U.S., can come to terms or....or a guy who thinks that Iran should be nothing less than quartered, corralled and contained.

They plan on making Cleveland a glass menagerie.

And everyone you love.

You're a tough guy, your pictures prove that....you probably shit muscles for breakfast. Think about all the people along your life that you've affected simply by your presence. Are you proud of that? Are there times where you wish you'd done otherwise?

But then again...aren't there times where you've been with a person....woman or man...a bud...that you were able to save the day because some asshole decided to push himself further into your buds face than he should...but.....

You were there.

That's the U.S.

You use it when you need to, and you're smart enough to back off when it isn't required.

You don't tell anyone you're about to kick them to the curb. Unless it's required....to stop a fight. You're just enjoying your meal.

Now let's go back to Israel. That's how far Iran is from Israel. As far as Toronto is from you.

And they want to see you wiped off the face of the Earth.

But now the question you have to ask is...who are our friends...and...are you going to back them?

Are your friends in Cleveland? Would you do what was necessary to protect them...including, showing your muskles?

I bet you would....for those you cared about.

My answer of course is....yes.

Until our last breath.

They ARE our family.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 5:27:11 AM   
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Long answer, well thought out. But you didn't answer the question proposed....Which of the two opinions of Mr. Romney is his own? Which does he really believe?

And to answer, knowing the power of a nuclear bomb. Toronto is roughly 350miles from here. If they hit here they'd be killing themselves too. I would assumed they knew that as well so I would basically call their bluff. Just as I would hope they'd call mine on the same situation.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 5:55:09 AM   
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Long answer, well thought out. But you didn't answer the question proposed....Which of the two opinions of Mr. Romney is his own? Which does he really believe?


You just don't get it. The answer is both. Each within its own perspective.




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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 5:56:40 AM   
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So he is without a soul then? No real truths? Just a collection of sayings to be brought out for the right audience?

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 6:07:00 AM   
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So he is without a soul then? No real truths? Just a collection of sayings to be brought out for the right audience?


NO!

Within the narrow scope of your question -

DYB, say you have two children. They hate each other. One day you 'know' they're gonna get it on. Do you then simply walk away because you know (your belief based on their history) this? No. Thousands of years of history says these hatreds will not go away. But the future is not known. You don't walk away from the table.

I do not understand why you are having trouble with this.






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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 6:53:10 AM   
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Well if I had two kids that hated each other I wouldn't be saying two different things. I'd be saying the same thing to everyone. I wouldn't stop and say to my friends. "look i know they hate each other and always will". No, I'd say "please help me find a way to make peace between the two no matter what we have to do to do it"....Right?

What you are saying is not making sense because it isn't logical.

So, he has a soul but is too big of a pussy to actually say what he means?

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 7:19:37 AM   
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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 9:08:44 AM   
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Well if I had two kids that hated each other I wouldn't be saying two different things. I'd be saying the same thing to everyone. I wouldn't stop and say to my friends. "look i know they hate each other and always will". No, I'd say "please help me find a way to make peace between the two no matter what we have to do to do it"....Right?

What you are saying is not making sense because it isn't logical.

So, he has a soul but is too big of a pussy to actually say what he means?



You're going to have to figure it out yourself because it appears no explanation is helpful.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 9:10:21 AM   
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Apologists for these sorts of thing are never intended to be helpful.

Willard's  a fucking slime from the get go. 

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 9:41:06 AM   
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Well if I had two kids that hated each other I wouldn't be saying two different things. I'd be saying the same thing to everyone. I wouldn't stop and say to my friends. "look i know they hate each other and always will". No, I'd say "please help me find a way to make peace between the two no matter what we have to do to do it"....Right?

What you are saying is not making sense because it isn't logical.

So, he has a soul but is too big of a pussy to actually say what he means?



You're going to have to figure it out yourself because it appears no explanation is helpful.


Aww come on yachtie you are always so full of words, ideas, opinions. Surely you can tell me what he meant or if he just simply is either too much of a pussy or too stupid to know what he believes.......

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 10:43:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Well if I had two kids that hated each other I wouldn't be saying two different things. I'd be saying the same thing to everyone. I wouldn't stop and say to my friends. "look i know they hate each other and always will". No, I'd say "please help me find a way to make peace between the two no matter what we have to do to do it"....Right?

What you are saying is not making sense because it isn't logical.

So, he has a soul but is too big of a pussy to actually say what he means?



You're going to have to figure it out yourself because it appears no explanation is helpful.


Aww come on yachtie you are always so full of words, ideas, opinions. Surely you can tell me what he meant or if he just simply is either too much of a pussy or too stupid to know what he believes.......



No one can tell you what he believes, but the two things he said (one private the other public) are not at odds with each other.



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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 10:57:31 AM   
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do not understand why you are having trouble with this.


Because he is selling something here. That something is "Mitt is a liar". If Obama has no record and Mitt is winning on substance then the only option is to declare him and his substance false, a lie.

What, does anyone not already know this? Apparently independent and white female voters do, they are moving to Mitt in the latest polls. Talk about a flip flop.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 11:02:59 AM   
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Actually no, I am just trying to get anyone of your side to tell me which is the true mitt romney. Or does he have no truth. Its an easy thing to do.....Tell me which one. Yachtie pissed his pants over it.......how about you arturas. Which of the two things are true.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 11:07:29 AM   
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But Mitt has lied, over and over.......And flip flopped, over and over........And lied again over and over.

The bigger shock is some of you think he is Mr Wonderful.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 2:01:07 PM   
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Here he is lying again, why just today in Ohio....he never mentioned how he wants to cut the very program he is praising and a reason why we don't need Obama health care bill..

ROMNEY: Actually, we had health care in America before Obamacare came along. And we still have health care in America…Each of us today in America has a choice of the type of health care plan we might choose. People who are poor are able to get Medicaid, which is a government support effort for those who can’t afford to have insurance. And these things aren’t going to disappear without Obamacare.



He never mentioned in his speech that if he is elected he would make Medicaid disappear.. Romney and Ryan would repeal the Affordable Care Act and significantly reduce federal funding to Medicaid, which assists millions of American families with members suffering from mental and physical disabilities.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 2:08:34 PM   
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He never mentioned in his speech that if he is elected he would make Medicaid disappear.. Romney and Ryan would repeal the Affordable Care Act and significantly reduce federal funding to Medicaid, which assists millions of American families with members suffering from mental and physical disabilities.



Mental disabilities. Like progressivism?

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 2:51:33 PM   
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What, does anyone not already know this? Apparently independent and white female voters do, they are moving to Mitt in the latest polls. Talk about a flip flop.


white female voters are moving in droves?



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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/10/2012 3:12:34 PM   
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Just more Romney 'position of the moment'. He doesn't have the integrity to Have a real position, other than wanting to win an election. We have NO idea how he'll govern because HE doesn't know what the job is nor what he himself believes. Or he is completely at peace saying differently each week as each new policy venture gets shot down. HOW can an avowed ideologically based party back a guy who has been all over the map just in recent short-term memory?

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