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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 6:15:16 AM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 6:29:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately if you swing anymore to the right, you're liable to be breaking out crusades against gays and who knows what else.  I'm a Christian, but I've taken a good look at the world around me and realized that there's a lot being labeled as 'christian' that isn't.  And for anyone who's wondering, I go strictly by what the Bible has in it, not what I heard from the Pope or my pastor or anyone else.  Being a Christian isn't supposed to be a label.  It's supposed to be how one lives their life because of their belief in Christ.
 
Ugh... honestly the "Religious Right" gives me the creepy crawlies most of the time.  I don't agree with abortion or gay marriage (gay unions or gay 'some other term' perhaps, but marriage is already defined as a two gender term), but I also don't believe in persecuting gay people or bombing abortion clinics.  One is just as un-Christian as the other!  Not to mention wars for the purpose of greed and gain.  And favoring corporations over individuals and families.  Someone might quote a verse saying that homosexuals won't get to heaven, but guess what?  That very same passage condemns greed!  In my opinion our entire government is riddled with unholy greed.  I suspect that's a good portion of the probelm.  It's hard to think about the people in the country if you're worried about how to make your next million after all.
 
I just hope that enough other people will see through the smoke screen soon.
 
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 6:37:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hillary as Prez? Hum....I respect her for her contribution and service to our Nation. I think she's a bright, intelligent female.  However------------she voted for this war in Iraq, she voted for the Patriot Act....Democrat she may be, moderate she is not...Republican--she is....Just cannot ever vote for Hillary.
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 7:31:27 AM   
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From Europe Hillary doesn't look bad. Can anyone explain why she is seen as the angel from hell to quite a lot of reasonable Americans? I can understand why she is disliked by right wingers and christian fundementalists.


As hard as this is to say, the answer is that there are not that many reasonable Americans, and there are times when being politically "Christian", is an excuse to hate anyone that doesn't agree with you.
 
Fortunately, for Americans at least, history teaches the clear lesson of military power ... that if you have it, all wrongs are cured. We could probably put Cartman in office with Starvin' Marvin as the Vice President, and be fine for quite some time.

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 7:48:30 AM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 7:54:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like Hilary but she cannot win. Too much baggage.

What has really surprised me over the last few years is the misconception that women in general would support her, but polls and too many women I have talked to (usually older women) hate her with a passion and it does not really matter their reasons. I will qualify that by saying I have lived in the fly over states.  Voters in a general election tend to be older and generally women voters vote for the Democrats as a higher percentage then men. Hilary just does not play well to that group.

My biggest fear is that Hilary will get the Democrats nomination. This will help drum up support/passion and people might go to the polls just to vote against her and the Republicans behind the scenes (money people) will get another puppet in the White House.




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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 8:02:21 AM   
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NO, If Kerry couldn't win, Hilary will certainly not be able to get the States that he couldn't. She is way to liberal. 


A Dem technically did win the last 2 elections... Bush is sitting in the White House because republican politicians and the conservative Supreme Court didn't allow the votes to be counted the way policy and law dictate they should be counted.

Now, after all the damage Bush has done, and with the approval (or lack of)  rating he has, I think most any Democrat who wins the Dem nomination will win (again).  I would think care will be taken so the vote counting will be done this time around,  to actually reflect the way the voters voted.

I like Hillary, and think she would make a great President, but I would love to see Gore change his mind and run.  He would get a lot of the Nader votes due to his  environmental work... and I think he is a decent human being, and that is what is presently missing in the White House.

I would love to see a woman become president, but sadly, there are many who wouldn't vote for Hillary just because she is a woman.  It's a sad world.



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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 9:33:42 AM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 10:05:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hillary is clearly the frontrunner at this point. She has amassed a financial warchest far eclipsing potential rivals for the Democratic nomination, and that alone is formidable. However, history has proven that frontrunners can be in a precarious position. If they stumble early on, they very often go into an irreversible free fall. Despite her early advantages, I believe Hillary has the potential to self destruct much the same way as Howard Dean did in 2004 or Edmund Muskie in 1972.

Hillary is definately playing the centrist position with her support of the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, and even her overtures to the Christian Right with her compromising statements on abortion. Yet despite the right wing despising Bill Clinton and badgeing him a liberal, Bill Clinton actually ran as a centrist candidate in 1992 as the choice of the Democratic Leadership Council, a group within the Democratic party certainly not known as a liberal organization. Its no secret that Hillary had a huge part in formulating the strategy that put Bill Clinton in the White House, so the Clinton strategy has not and will not change. What's past is prologue.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.


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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 10:09:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would never vote for Hitlery she would ban all gun ownership if she had her way.

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 10:38:28 AM   
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I would never vote for Hitlery she would ban all gun ownership if she had her way.


Asking gun owners to register their guns... the same way you register a car before you drive it, and putting gun locks on it to protect children from getting ahold of a gun and shooting their neighbor, is hardly banning ownership.

I found it amazing how gun protection laws are often viewed as banning the sacred gun to many gun owners. 

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 10:48:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Responsible adults not gunlocks protect children.
Im not talking about gun locks Im talking about blatant gun bans, Like the one they tried to pass in SF banning all ownership and sale of firearms.

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 11:15:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		There seems to be a minority of responsible people in the US if you look at the stats
http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/gun_deaths_in_usa.htm
I think the American gun fetish baffles people outside the US when you consider the amount of deaths come from freely available weapons.

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 11:20:07 AM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 11:22:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not to pick on you, or anyone else really ... you might want to read what is actually written in her book, concerning gun control, before you suggest what she would, or wouldn't do.
 
Then again, I'm starting to agree with the segment of this board that seem to think that America is just a nation of stupid people. People seem to have lots of opinions ... but nobody seemed to have noticed that we can't even spell her fucking name correctly!!!

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 11:25:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is says in her book? Shes a politician, she can say anything she wants to I dont trust her.  And Im sure as hell not gonna read her book her ghost writer sucks.

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 12:23:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very well thought out response.
 
I fully admit to being a political elitist. If I had my way, only about five percent of Americans would get to vote, that being the five percent that actually knows what the fuck they are voting for. The other ninty-five percent could happily go back to watching American Idol.
 
Care to guess which group I would put you in?

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 12:46:19 PM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 1:07:57 PM   
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There seems to be a minority of responsible people in the US if you look at the stats
http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/gun_deaths_in_usa.htm

A minority?  There are millions of gun owners in the United States and the numbers in your reference constitute a tiny portion of that overall group.  But don't let the truth (or a lack of basic math skills) get in the way of such fantastic hyperbole.

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I think the American gun fetish baffles people outside the US when you consider the amount of deaths come from freely available weapons.

Part of the problem might be in the assumption that firearm ownership is a fetish.  For the overwhelming majority of firearm owners, they aren't fetish items, they're simply tools.  Of course you're going to get gun nuts for whom this might not be the case, but they're a small fraction of the big picture.

And just so I'm not totally derailing this thread...  With regard to Hillary, even if she did somehow manage to secure her party's nomination (which brings to mind snowball fights on Satan's front lawn,)  I wouldn't vote for her.

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 2:16:51 PM   
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I would never vote for Hitlery she would ban all gun ownership if she had her way.


Give me the actual statement from .Hillary Clinton that she said she was in favor of banning guns. I'll be waiting.......And while you're at it, you can show me the WMD's that the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld war criminals said was their justification for starting a war. I'll be waiting for that too..........

I own a few guns, and in fact I have a concealed weapons permit to legally carry a handgun. But I don't stay up at night worrying about the Democrats taking away my guns. I do worry about lying, thieving Republicans like the Bush crime family illegally tapping phones without warrants, bankrupting the country with record deficits, and lying to start an illegal war with a country that never threatened us and never attacked us that's now killed over 50,000 people.

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