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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 2:46:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I find amazing is that a country that has what is arguably, the best educated population in all of history could ever consider Hillary Clinton as a head of state...what has she done besides be married to Bill?

She is an empty shell who absorbs and regurgitates what her handlers tell her....you already have one of those in "dubya", why in god's name would you want another?

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 2:58:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		If Senator Clinton were to run, I would probably at least consider her, but am far from a blind supporter. That said, I think it's import to a) quote people accurately, b) if taking a stand, at least know what you are standing up for, c) remember that Senators are elected to represent the voters of the state that elected them. About ninty-five percent of voters don't seem to be able to grasp that. In the last election, Senator Kerry was castigated for some of the votes he cast, but any intelligent voter (of which we have too few here in America) will understand that those may not be the positions he would support as President, when his job then becomes representing all of America, not just a very liberal state like Massachusetts.
 
On to the quotes section of this response, all from Senator Clinton.
 

Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them
We need to stand firm on behalf of sensible gun control legislation. We have to enact laws that will keep guns out of the hand of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced persons. Congress should have acted before our children started going back to school. I realize the NRA is a formidable political group; but I believe the American people are ready to come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them.
Source: www.hillary2000.org, “Gun Safety” Sep 9, 2000


License and register all handgun sales
Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.”
Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000


Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands
I think it does once again urge us to think hard about what we can do to make sure that we keep guns out of the hands of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced people. I hope we will come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who have no business with them.
Source: Press Release Jul 31, 1999


Gun control protects our children
We will not make progress on a sensible gun control agenda unless the entire American public gets behind it. It is really important for each of you [kids] to make sure you stay away from guns. If you have guns in your home, tell your parents to keep them away from you and your friends and your little brothers and sisters.
Source: Forum at South Side Middle School in Nassau County Jul 15, 1999


Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation
We have to do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of children, and we need to stand firm on behalf of the sensible gun control legislation that passed the Senate and then was watered down in the House. It does not make sense for us at this point in our history to turn our backs on the reality that there are too many guns and too many children have access to those guns-and we have to act to prevent that.
Source: Remarks to NEA in Orlando, Florida Jul 5, 1999



 
Senator Clinton voted to eliminate hollow-tip "cop killer" ammunition not all that long ago. "Rush" says that is evidence that she is against guns. I'm not sure how he makes that connection ... but either way, his thought ignores the basic idea that the voters of the state of New York are overwhelmingly in favor of banning this type of ammunition, and the Senator was properly representing her state.
 
I suppose Rush and the right would have respected her more, if she would have voted against the bill to ban this ammunition, when eighty percent of the voters in her state supported it?

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 3:23:19 PM   
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Tools? You mean like a hammer or a drill? How stupid of me, no wonder I am crap at home improvement!

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 3:24:33 PM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 3:42:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		the way policy and law dictate they should be counted.

Actually, in the US your vote for president is essentially meaningless, as it is not the people who elect the president, but the Electoral College, and in the majority of states, the EC is not bound to respect the popular vote, so the whole Bush didn't win arguement is bullshit...he won, its just that you, like most people in the US do not undertsnad the rules of the game he was playing.

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 4:14:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

the way policy and law dictate they should be counted.

Actually, in the US your vote for president is essentially meaningless, as it is not the people who elect the president, but the Electoral College, and in the majority of states, the EC is not bound to respect the popular vote, so the whole Bush didn't win arguement is bullshit...he won, its just that you, like most people in the US do not undertsnad the rules of the game he was playing.


No, I understand just fine....

Maybe you either missed it, or don't believe that the votes were not counted correctly Florida and Ohio were two key states where votes were counted incorrectly, changed or suppressed.   The electoral vote, as well as the popular vote (which I agree is meaningless) were both victories for the Democrats.  Bush won by fraud.... and with the government's assistance.  

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 4:18:51 PM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 4:26:28 PM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 4:29:28 PM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 4:38:25 PM   
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I vote for Ross...I love his ears...giggles


LOL kickinchick....  Perot is great, and I wonder how things would have turned out if he had won.
 
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Lorelei wrote: The electoral vote, as well as the popular vote (which I agree is meaningless) were both victories for the Democrats.  Bush won by fraud.... and with the government's assistance.  

 
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 6:23:40 PM   
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How stupid of me.

Indeed.

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 8:17:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
I fully admit to being a political elitist. If I had my way, only about five percent of Americans would get to vote, that being the five percent that actually knows what the fuck they are voting for. The other ninty-five percent could happily go back to watching American Idol.


Why stop at 5%?  Why not pick one or two really smart people and give them complete power?

We can call them the noble philosopher-kings and do Plato (or was it Socrates?) proud...

As one who could easily get put in the dumb 95%, I prefer it the way we have it now...thank you very much.  The more morons we have in government, the less powerful government will be in the long run, and that suits me just fine.  8 more years of inbred idiots in the whitehouse!!!

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 9:18:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think all of us Bush and ultra conservative Rove gang haters would be much better off stop focusing on the lost cause of them and focus on trying to fix the Democratic party and get it in fighting shape for the upcoming war.

The Democratic party needs to get a vision and a platform and stop just pointing to the Republicans and going "I do not like that". They need to go on the offensive early and often instead of falling on the floor and curling up in a ball when they get attacked. But the most important thing is to throw money and support to candidates that can actually win. Hillary has zero chance in the general election.

Another thing they need to do is redefine the word liberal. Republicans use the term so often that in a way it has lost its meaning. A while back the Republican's redefined the word conservative and use it to wrap the flag around themselves. The Dems need to do something similar with the word liberal. Call themselves liberal instead of running away from it so they can control the meaning of the word. If they did that, the Republicans would probably wet their pants because their manual would be useless.



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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 11:00:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hillary Clinton wouldnt have my support. She is way too much of an ass kisser to the conservative party. Her days of idealism left her a long time ago. I would not support her or anyone like her. Give me someone that didnt support the Patriot Act or the Iraq Resolution.. I am not voting for anyone that voted for that.. period,.. end of story

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 11:03:16 PM   
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Hillary as Prez? Hum....I respect her for her contribution and service to our Nation. I think she's a bright, intelligent female.  However------------she voted for this war in Iraq, she voted for the Patriot Act....Democrat she may be, moderate she is not...Republican--she is....Just cannot ever vote for Hillary.
(Gosh, I sound like Yoda, don't I?)


I just posted the same reasons not to support her before I read the thread...lol.. you and I are best buds for a reason Irish girl...lol

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 11:16:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hilary Clinton must have the thickest skin in the world to have put up with her hubby Bill. I am suprised they both did not go and hide in a cabin after they left the White House. I will applaud her for her strenth. The sad thing is I thought Bill Clinton was a great President but a putz klutz in his Monica Gate antics. I dont give a rats ass about Republican or Democrat being the superior party they are both full of idiots look at how much we pay in taxes and how big the federal deficit is. It did not happen overnite both parties have been butchering our pockets for years and neither one will fix it soon.

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/14/2006 11:31:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know if I'd vote for Hillary...  It would depend who she was running against, and I'm not one to vote for the party, if the party is all phucked as priorities go.
I've never trusted her really because of her mix of "stand by your man, no matter how hard he kicks you in the teeth" and shabby, uncommitted feminist stance... 
I would have not put myself in the limelight as a force to begin with, only to run and hide when the shit hit the fan with monica.  I'd have at least smacked bill and sent the photo imprints to the media.  Having said that, I think Bill Clinton was a good man and brilliant politician, despite his error in judgement on cheating while in the white house and getting caught.   I don't cheat or condone it, but if I wanted to do it, I could successfully do it without leaving evidence.   M


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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/15/2006 12:52:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I always thought perhaps they had an open marriage, and it was a case of the public not knowing about their arrangement. I have nothing against open marriages and to be frankly honest, if it wasn't for the witch hunt to expose this it would have remained behind closed doors. Just because they do not announce an open marriage did not mean one didn't exist. Maybe she was more upset he got caught then it happened. No one will ever know for sure

I respect her marriage and decision to remain in it. Most people do not remain married as long and the Clintons...and no one knows what their kinks are.. and it really is none of our business. I surely didn't want to know

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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/15/2006 5:08:51 AM   
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RE: Hilary Clinton: The Next President? - 6/15/2006 7:40:15 AM   
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I always thought perhaps they had an open marriage, and it was a case of the public not knowing about their arrangement. I have nothing against open marriages and to be frankly honest, if it wasn't for the witch hunt to expose this it would have remained behind closed doors. Just because they do not announce an open marriage did not mean one didn't exist. Maybe she was more upset he got caught then it happened.

I respect her marriage and decision to remain in it. Most people do not remain married as long and the Clintons...and no one knows what their kinks are..
I agree that they may have an open marriage, but if that were the case than what need would he have to lie so vehemently about it?   He lied like a man who didn't want to publically humiliate his wife, in my opinion.

I didn't care either that he got blown; I only cared that he got caught.  The ensuing witch hunt was from men who felt inadequate in my opinion, or they'd have known that the man's infidelity was to his wife, not the nation; and if she didn't care whom he was phucking, who am I to cast aspersions on their relationship.   M

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