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defiantbadgirl -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/19/2012 3:59:52 PM)

Why do you repeatedly write to and answer yourself?




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/19/2012 4:15:33 PM)

Am I a Christian? Yes, I am. I bear witness to the Christ.

I recall a Christian cartoon concerning the foolishness of looking for love in places such as this. There is a curious lack of novelty and variety. Why should a place such as this be devoid of love? The obvious refrain given by those who are religious is because it is a place full of unbelievers.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/19/2012 4:23:30 PM)

It is humiliating. There isn't a whole lot of love in this world. It is a form of wealth that is guarded. God often reveal himself to those who are noble, yet miserable. I have something more perfect and more suited to you than this.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/19/2012 5:42:47 PM)

Babylon A.D. starring Vin Diesel is a cool film. I recall the atheist cartoon that mocked Christians for going to Church on Sunday passing up the poor on their way to Church. You are supposed to wake one day to discover these truths. Something can be in front of you all your life unseen, yet it was there all along waiting.

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Transfiguration of Jesus

This miracle is unique among others that appear in the Canonical gospels, in that the miracle happens to Jesus himself. Thomas Aquinas considered the Transfiguration "the greatest miracle" in that it complemented baptism and showed the perfection of life in Heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_of_Jesus


The miracle you give to others is your transfiguration, your salvation. It is not a career, it is a vocation.

In the film Babylon A.D. the character played by Vin Diesel discovers his swan song. If all I can do is save myself once again, it will be enough.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/20/2012 12:01:03 AM)

I was in the mood and Halloween is near and so I thought to spice things up a bit.

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The Warrens

For over fifty years now, Ed and Lorraine Warren have been considered America's preeminent experts on the subject of spirits and demonology. Even more important perhaps, is the fact that they have also been the very same people for the past fifty years whom religious authorities have repeatedly called in to control some of the most profane outbreaks of diabolical phenomena in the country. Cases where priests become possessed. ... The forces they confront are religious entities that - by their own admission - exist for the sheer purpose of opposing the works of God. These forces are formidable. They are eternal. And they exist today. In a world that scoffs at ghosts and laughs at the unusual, the Warrens deliver a contrary message. That message is this: The fairy tale is true. The devil exists. God exists. And for us, as people, our very destiny hinges upon which one we elect to follow.

http://www.thedemonologist.net/the_warrens_20903.htm


They had links to the Vatican. I followed them.

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Adoration

In the strict sense, an act of religion offered to God in acknowledgment of His supreme perfection and dominion, and of the creature's dependence upon Him; in a looser sense, the reverence shown to any person or object possessing, inherently or by association, a sacred character or a high degree of moral excellence. The rational creature, looking up to God, whom reason and revelation show to be infinitely perfect, cannot in right and justice maintain an attitude of indifference. That perfection which is infinite in itself and the source and fulfilment of all the good that we possess or shall possess, we must worship, acknowledging its immensity, and submitting to its supremacy. This worship called forth by God, and given exclusively to Him as God, is designated by the Greek name latreia (latinized, latria), for which the best translation that our language affords is the word Adoration. Adoration differs from other acts of worship, such as supplication, confession of sin, etc., inasmuch as it formally consists in self-abasement before the Infinite, and in devout recognition of His transcendent excellence. An admirable example of adoration is given in the Apocalypse 7:11-12: "And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the ancients, and about the living creatures; and they fell before the throne upon their faces, and adored God, saying: Amen. Benediction and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, honour, and power, and strength to our God. forever and ever. Amen." The revealed precept to adore god was spoken to Moses upon Sinai and reaffirmed in the words of Christ: "The Lord thy God thou shalt adore, and Him only shalt thou serve" (Matthew 4:10).

The primary and fundamental element in adoration is an interior act of mind and will; the mind perceiving that God's perfection is infinite, the will bidding us to extol and worship this perfection. Without some measure of this interior adoration "in spirit and in truth" it is evident that any outward show of divine worship would be mere pantomime and falsehood. But equally evident is that the adoration felt within will seek outward expression. Human nature demands physical utterance of some sort for its spiritual and emotional moods; and it is to this instinct for self-expression that our whole apparatus of speech and gesture is due. To Suppress this instinct in religion would be as unreasonable as to repress it in any other province of our experience. Moreover, it would do religious grievous harm to check its tendency to outward manifestation, since the external expression reacts upon the interior sentiment, quickening, strengthening, and sustaining it. As St Thomas teaches: "it is connatural for us to pass from the physical signs to the spiritual basis upon which they rest" (Summa II-II:48:2). It is to be expected, then, that men should have agreed upon certain conventional actions as expressing adoration of the Supreme Being. Of these actions, one has pre-eminently and exclusively signified adoration, and that is sacrifice. Other acts have been widely used for the same purpose, but most of them — sacrifice always excepted — have not been exclusively reserved for Divine worship; they have also been employed to manifest friendship, or reverence for high personages. Thus Abram "fell flat on his face" before the Lord (Genesis 17:3). This was clearly an act of adoration in its highest sense; yet that it could have other meaning, we know from, e.g., 1 Samuel 20:41, which says that David adored "falling on his face to the ground" before Jonathan, who had come to warn him of Saul's hatred. In like manner Gen xxxi; 3 narrates that Jacob, on meeting his brother Esau "bowed down with he face to the ground seven times". We read of other forms of adoration among the Hebrews, such as taking off the shoes (Exodus 3:5), bowing (Genesis 24:26), and we are told that the contrite publican stood when he prayed, and that St. Paul knelt when he worshipped with the elders of Ephesus. Among the early Christians it was common to adore God, standing with outstretched arms and facing the east. Finally, we ought perhaps to mention the act of pagan adoration which seems to contain the etymological explanation of our word adoration. The word adoratio very probably originated from the phrase (manum) ad os (mittere), which designated the act of kissing the hand to the statue of the god one wished to honour. Concerning the verbal manifestation of adoration — that is, the prayer of praise - explanation is not necessary. The connection between our inner feelings and their articulate utterance is obvious.

Thus far we have spoken of the worship given directly to God as the infinitely perfect Being. It is clear that adoration in this sense can be offered to no finite object. Still, the impulse that leads us to worship God's perfection in itself will move us also to venerate the traces and bestowals of that perfection as it appears conspicuously in saintly men and women. Even to inanimate objects, which for one reason or another strikingly recall the excellence, majesty, love, or mercy of God, we naturally pay some measure of reverence. The goodness which these creatures possess by participation or association is a reflection of God's goodness; by honouring them in the proper way we offer tribute to the Giver of all good. He is the ultimate end of our worship in such cases as He is the source of the derived perfection which called it forth. But, as was intimated above, whenever the immediate object of our veneration is a creature of this sort, the mode of worship which we exhibit towards it is fundamentally different from the worship which belongs to God alone. Latria, as we have already said, is the name of this latter worship; and for the secondary kind, evoked by saints or angels, we use the term dulia. The Blessed Virgin, as manifesting in a sublimer manner than any other creature the goodness of God, deserves from us a higher recognition and deeper veneration than any other of the saints; and this peculiar cultus due to her because of her unique position in the Divine economy, is designated in theology hyperdulia, that is dulia in an eminent degree. It is unfortunate that neither our own language nor the Latin possesses in its terminology the precision of the Greek. The word latria is never applied in any other sense than that of the incommunicable adoration which is due to God alone. But in English the words adore and worship are still sometimes used, and in the past were commonly so used, to mean also inferior species of religious veneration and even to express admiration or affection for persons living upon the earth. So David "adored" Jonathan. In like manner Miphiboseth "fell on his face and worshipped" David (2 Samuel 9:6). Tennyson says that Enid in her true heart, adored the queen. Those who perforce adopted these modes of expression understood perfectly well what was meant by them and were in no danger of thereby encroaching upon the rights of the Divinity. It is hardly needful to remark that Catholics, too, even the most unlearned, are in no peril of confounding the adoration due to God with the religious honour given to any finite creature even when the word worship, owing to the poverty of our language, is applied to both. The Seventh General Council, in 757, puts the matter in a few words when it says that "true latria is to be given to God alone"; and the Council of Trent (Sess. XXV) makes clear the difference between invocation of saints and idolatry.

A few words may be added in conclusion on the offences which conflict with the adoration of God. They may be summed up under three categories:

worship offered to false gods;
worship offered to the true God, but in a false, unworthy and scandalous manner; and
blasphemy.

The first class comprises sins of idolatry. The second class embraces sins of superstition. These may take manifold forms, to be treated under separate titles. Suffice it to say that vain observances which neglect the essential thing in the worship of God and make much of purely accidental features or which bring it into contempt through fantastic and puerile excesses, are emphatically repudiated in Catholic theology. Honouring, or pretending to honour, God by mystic numbers or magical phrases, as though adoration consisted chiefly in the number or the physical utterance of the phrases, belongs to the Jewish Cabbala or pagan mythology, not to the worship of the Most High. (see BLASPHEMY; IDOLATRY; MARY; SAINTS; WORSHIP.)

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01151a.htm


"The primary and fundamental element in adoration is an interior act of mind and will; ..." This is what I was talking about earlier. It is known that Christians are often hypocrites, but to see this is to perceive only the superficial and to be mired in a labyrinth of irrelevant detail.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/20/2012 12:21:40 AM)

Here is an interview with Lorraine Warren, Demonologist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw8xcAq2XvI

Here is what one of the videos commentators, seleyka, wrote, "I'd want Lorraine to be my grandma, she's so sweet :c"

Yes, there are those out there, you know who you are, who will puke if you watch this video.




GotSteel -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/20/2012 3:42:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
Why do you repeatedly write to and answer yourself?


His statements are nonsensical to everyone else.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/21/2012 12:53:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

His statements are nonsensical to everyone else.


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Yes, there are those out there, you know who you are, who will puke if you watch this video.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/21/2012 2:11:16 PM)

What shall I say in my sermon today? Our capacity to deny the truth is often profound. Evidence? You want evidence? LOL

There are stable statistical correlations dating back to the beginning of recorded history. In the modern era we deny them. Is it because we are enlightened or in a state of denial?




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/21/2012 2:37:57 PM)

Religious sects often do not rely on holy scripture as much as you might think. What is often cited as moral or immoral conduct refer to these stable statistical correlations. For example, is there a stable statistical correlation between alcohol consumption and crime? Is there a stable statistical correlation between dancing in a night club and crime? Believe it or not there is. So you get religious sects who feel that dancing in night clubs is an activity that should be avoided. Community leaders, religious or secular, (including parents) are often aware of these relationships. Atheism brings no relief for reasons that should be obvious.




mnottertail -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/21/2012 2:38:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

What shall I say in my sermon today? Our capacity to deny the truth is often profound. Evidence? You want evidence? LOL

There are stable statistical correlations dating back to the beginning of recorded history. In the modern era we deny them. Is it because we are enlightened or in a state of denial?


Better Mathematics.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/21/2012 2:53:26 PM)

These correlations do not change with our elected representatives, because they are objective. An important stable statistical correlation is that immortality seeks to expand and grow and if you do nothing to suppress it, it will consume the whole of society. In a minority of cases this is not so, but these are the exceptions. Some would try to get you to believe that it is the reverse. Are such observations objective? The best that such an observer can do is remind us that it is not ALWAYS so. Such an endeavor is honorable. To try to do more than this on the other hand is dishonorable for to do so is to not stand for truth.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/21/2012 2:59:37 PM)

The stability of these relationships make it possible to have a book of wisdom that is over two thousand years old that continues to make cogent points. The code base of the Church is one that one may rely upon as stable.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/21/2012 3:00:43 PM)

Thanks be to God Eternal.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/22/2012 1:12:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Put simply, equality is a lie.


Explain yourself!

All of creation is unique, thus unequal. If I were to acknowledge your individuality I am not asserting your equality. I would be asserting your inequality. If you have an allergy for example and I do not and cannot relate to it because I do not I am asserting your equality. I would be saying that you are just like me and I have no allergy, hence, you do not though you do. If you acknowledge that I have an existence outside of yourself, you would not be asserting my equality for if we were equal I would be you. We are all a point on a number line. You shall never be my equal nor will I be yours.

Further know that the immoral are not equal to the moral and never shall be. To believe otherwise is not to believe in God. Is this not what the atheist does? You are all equal in the eyes of the state, all peasants to be pushed about, having no intrinsic worth. In order to have worth you must be a commodity that is scarce, unique. God is the most scarce commodity in existence; hence, the most valuable. In God's economy we are all a scarce commodity impossible to replace.

Set membership does not imply equality, equal only for some purpose. Equal in weight? Perhaps. Equal also in monetary worth? Unlikely. Though tungsten is the same in density as gold, the two metals do not have the same monetary worth. To believe that this is so is to believe in a lie. You were lied to, the gold is counterfeit.

Do not be a counterfeit offering to God for He will know the difference and cast you into the abyss. Fooled them you did. Fool me you don't.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/22/2012 1:28:09 AM)

The purveyor of lies will tell you that God is a mystery so deep as to be impenetrable; hence, can be anything you want Him to be.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/23/2012 8:56:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

The immoral are not equal to the moral and never shall be.


Why is that? It is because people are monsters. The moral are doing something that has been objectively proven to make life better, something that distances us from the monster within. These things need to be honored and respected because such things are precious.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/23/2012 9:08:49 PM)

It should be evident to those here that sex is often impure, unwholesome, and devoid of goodness.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/23/2012 9:35:23 PM)

If you were not a monster in some way in this life, you will be grateful for it later. It was something you actually had some control over.




BenevolentM -> RE: Seven Mysteries of Profound Love, the NDE Experience (10/23/2012 10:53:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

What shall I say in my sermon today? Our capacity to deny the truth is often profound. Evidence? You want evidence? LOL

There are stable statistical correlations dating back to the beginning of recorded history. In the modern era we deny them. Is it because we are enlightened or in a state of denial?


Better Mathematics.


I almost didn't notice you mnottertail. Yes our understanding of mathematics and logic has much improved. It is not what some believe, however. We are close to a proof of the existence of God.




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