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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 3:34:14 PM   
Anaxagoras


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Iran is a terrorist nation because they directly support terrorists. That's why the rest of the world doesn't want them to get nukes.

Its funny how pro-Palestinians like yer man above are inevitably pro-Iran as well - if one is the former they also have to be the latter. Do any of these people have the capacity to ever acknowledge Israel faces a genuine existential threat that is actually pretty fucking scary or does it have to be the rweally ebil guy in every imaginable situation?

Ain't it a remarkable coincidence? I think you might have started to peel the onion... And that maybe it'll stink of kangaroo when you're done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buF9fmMGiwM


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ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL
Besides the fact that these aren't even CLOSE to real numbers if they even represent what I am GUESSING you are referring to (your point is rather poorly communicated... giving you credit ON CREDIT for having on), isn't the Netherlands PART of the EU? That of course would make your figures irrelevant. Even if they weren't from someone's bum.

Reading your other many rather abbrasive posts, I would a;so say that you post in rather stark contrast to others here from the Netherlands. take Aswad for instance, his posts are generally well thought out and hardly even close to as hateful as these.

Well said but I think Aswad would object to being considered Dutch since I believe he's from Norway!

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 3:52:57 PM   
ermood


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You're such a dumb boy...

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 3:59:18 PM   
ermood


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Status: offline 		Iran is not supporting terrorists friend, both Hamas and Hezbollah are not conciderd terrorist organisations by half the world... it are mostly the western gouverments who think that, even the EU does not concider them as terrorists.... they are so called politcal movements;) and no thats not the same as terrorists.

I don't know if you have some kind of brain left there but last time i checked Iran did not even want nukes;) Iran is one of the biggest opposers of nukes...


Please go to school or something;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 4:02:59 PM   
ermood


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Ga naar de mac ofzo... jezelf nog dikker vreten;)

Dumb fool.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 4:05:47 PM   
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Iran is not supporting terrorists friend, both Hamas and Hezbollah are not conciderd terrorist organisations by half the world... it are mostly the western gouverments who think that, even the EU does not concider them as terrorists.... they are so called politcal movements;) and no thats not the same as terrorists.

I don't know if you have some kind of brain left there but last time i checked Iran did not even want nukes;) Iran is one of the biggest opposers of nukes...


Please go to school or something;)

I could care less what you claim.
Hamas and Hezbullah are terrorists and will remain that way as long as they attack civilians for no reason except to spread fear. Hamas has randomly fired over 500 mortars or rockets into Israel this year by definition that is 500+ terrorist actions.

As to Iran not seeking nukes, they are enriching uranium to weapons grade with centrifuges. There is no other reason to do that except to build nuclear weapons.

Please stop telling such ridiculous lies.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 4:09:39 PM   
ermood


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Status: offline 		Go visit cia.gov and see for your self;) the numbers are perfectly correct.

Yes The Netherlands is part of the EU, but so what? not even 30% of the people in The Netherlands are in favor of the EU... most people just want to get rid of that crap;)

I thought about my posts;) but if there are only dumb people reacting i aint going to waste my time with the posts;)

My post aren't hateful at all, they're reality;) thruth is hard isn't it...

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 4:14:13 PM   
ermood


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Status: offline 		Tell me... if killing civilians is a terrorist action then the biggest terrorist of all would be the USA;) only in Iraq they where responseble for 165.000 innocent deaths...

As for the uranium, its necessary to get the energy and its used for medications;)


Tell me... what kind of shitty, propaganda based truth you've got there?

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 4:47:53 PM   
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Tell me... if killing civilians is a terrorist action then the biggest terrorist of all would be the USA;) only in Iraq they where responseble for 165.000 innocent deaths...

Partially true and Bush should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

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As for the uranium, its necessary to get the energy and its used for medications;)

Again, centrifuge enriched weapons grade uranium is good for exactly one thing, making nuclear weapons.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 5:13:49 PM   
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Tell me... if killing civilians is a terrorist action then the biggest terrorist of all would be the USA;) only in Iraq they where responseble for 165.000 innocent deaths...

Partially true and Bush should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Its worth noting as well that Iraq Body Count (the prime NGO for monitoring casualties in Iraq) has stated that over 80% of civilians killed were murdered not by the US but by insurgents. Syria and especially Iran should take a bow for that one.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 5:14:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not only Bush, the whole US gouverment of that time and the one of now, its not only Iraq.... its Afghanistan to, and now you see the drone kills in Pakistan and Yemen, those are crimes against humanity to.

The problem is that the UN and the IC are to lazy to put a full investigation after it, let stand to charge them for their crimes.


Even if Iran should build nuclear weapons (what is hard to believe), what would it be for an threat? they won't use them... they would only have them for securety against Israel... just like the US has nuclear weapons for protection against China and Russia... same thing with India and Pakistan... nobody is going to use them... if one would they all would and then we wouldn't be worried about it ever again;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 5:18:37 PM   
ermood


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Status: offline 		That doesn't make sence at all....

The war on Iraq was started by the US, so at that part they are already responcible since it was a illigal war based on nothing but lies.
And why should Iran and Syria take blame for that? Iran and Syria didn't supported Saddam (unlike the US did).

Get some facts straight before posting such bullshit...

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 5:22:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ermood
That doesn't make sence at all....

The war on Iraq was started by the US, so at that part they are already responcible since it was a illigal war based on nothing but lies.
And why should Iran and Syria take blame for that? Iran and Syria didn't supported Saddam (unlike the US did).

Get some facts straight before posting such bullshit...

Once again you don't have a fucking clue. Iran and Syria facilitated the insurgency, and now that the US has left, Iran is exerting greater dominance over Iraq. That point is widely accepted by commentators on the region.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 5:27:59 PM   
ermood


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Status: offline 		You really watched to much propaganda tv friend;)

Iran had years of war with Iraq, tell me why would Iran suddenly support the Iraq wich they had years of war with?
And its the US who helped the Shia's to power in Iraq, thats why Iran and Iraq are such good friends now;)

Go try to find some facts that are not meant to spread propaganda;) with other words... real facts.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 5:37:06 PM   
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What do you think the results of a unilateral nuclear attack by the Zionists on Iran would be?


Zionists...interesting phrasing.

It's this simple.

Israel doesn't want a nuclear war....the U.S. is going to work it's ass off to see that no such event ever occurs (so will every other world power, and you can bet there is a shitload of conversation regards same going on behind the scenes amongst all those who have the power to do so).

If Israel drops a thermonuclear bomb on Iran....you can pretty well bet the game is afoot and all bets are off....and you better damn well hide inside a 3 foot thick concrete bunker if CNN announces same.

In the early 60's, Russia blinked. Not because Kennedy was some God but because they understood that if they lit one off, we would and if we did, others would.

No one's going to light off a nuclear warhead because....if one does....everyone does.

And NO ONE wants that.

(And NO ONE's going to allow it).


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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 5:39:06 PM   
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You really watched to much propaganda tv friend;)

Iran had years of war with Iraq, tell me why would Iran suddenly support the Iraq wich they had years of war with?
And its the US who helped the Shia's to power in Iraq, thats why Iran and Iraq are such good friends now;)

Go try to find some facts that are not meant to spread propaganda;) with other words... real facts.

Iran was fighting Saddam's Iraq two decades previously. That didn't mean they had to assist a savage insurgency responsible for the death of 100,000+ civilian Iraqis after the US defeated Saddam. Too much propaganda? Back to the Mullah Koolaid with you.



< Message edited by Anaxagoras -- 10/18/2012 5:55:03 PM >

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 5:47:14 PM   
ermood


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Status: offline 		Typical american responce;) they always try to change the facts so it seems that their enemy did it...;) but yet its so useless becouse we all know that the US and only the US was responsible for those 165.000 innocent deaths in Iraq;)

Back to the BurgerKing with you;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 5:48:48 PM   
ermood


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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 6:13:24 PM   
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Go visit cia.gov and see for your self;) the numbers are perfectly correct.

Yes The Netherlands is part of the EU, but so what? not even 30% of the people in The Netherlands are in favor of the EU... most people just want to get rid of that crap;)

I thought about my posts;) but if there are only dumb people reacting i aint going to waste my time with the posts;)

My post aren't hateful at all, they're reality;) thruth is hard isn't it...


Provide a precise link and I will little man.

The Netherlands are part of the EU and when the shot hits the fan the surplus they have acrued will disappear in a day.
The numbers at cia.gov are virtually meaningless in the context you are trying to use them.
Oh, and attacking people's intelligence just because they disagree with them is not only hateful, but ignorant as well.
  It's weak at best to come spoiling for a fight and deny the fact when someone brings it.
  References to the CIA Factbook not withstanding, tell us about how you intend to gloat over the collapse of the US when you would be long gone well before that happens.



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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 7:04:43 PM   
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Its worth noting as well that Iraq Body Count (the prime NGO for monitoring casualties in Iraq) has stated that over 80% of civilians killed were murdered not by the US but by insurgents. Syria and especially Iran should take a bow for that one.

This ignores how great a part of the insurgency from early on was lead by Sunni troops and officers of the Iraq Army who were discharged during the possibly misguided de Baathification process instituted by the Coalition Provisional Authority.

There are a variety of criticisms of the IBC. Understandable, tho. It is a complex task.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/18/2012 7:08:52 PM   
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Its worth noting as well that Iraq Body Count (the prime NGO for monitoring casualties in Iraq) has stated that over 80% of civilians killed were murdered not by the US but by insurgents. Syria and especially Iran should take a bow for that one.

This ignores how great a part of the insurgency from early on was lead by Sunni troops and officers of the Iraq Army who were discharged during the possibly misguided de Baathification process instituted by the Coalition Provisional Authority.

There are a variety of criticisms of the IBC. Understandable, tho. It is a complex task.

I didn't say Iran and Syria were exclusively to blame but they were a factor, especially Iran. The IBC is primarily criticised for being anti-American so they can hardly be blasted for whitewashing American input but they do keep rigidly to the figures unlike so many who inflate them to a multiple of the reality.

Another useful source of research is the Lancet which demonstrated in a paper some months ago that the Iraqi insurgents almost always hit soft civilian targets.

< Message edited by Anaxagoras -- 10/18/2012 7:12:08 PM >

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