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DomKen -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/16/2012 5:16:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: ermood becouse you can't conquer a counrie with a navy friend;) a navy is not a vital part of the military... besides that, why would it have to be done more often? Tell the Benelux and the French that. Ask the Spanish as well.

YN -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/16/2012 10:15:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: YN quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If you really think any military, or combination of militaries, can oppose the US then it is you who need to find the facts and not believe propoganda. Are Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Cong all mythological characters? Vietnam was not a military victory that you believe it was proves your ignorance. So it was a victory for the United States? Who controls all Vietnam today, the Vietnamese Communist Party or the United States military?

DomKen -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/16/2012 10:27:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YN quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: YN quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If you really think any military, or combination of militaries, can oppose the US then it is you who need to find the facts and not believe propoganda. Are Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Cong all mythological characters? Vietnam was not a military victory that you believe it was proves your ignorance. So it was a victory for the United States? Who controls all Vietnam today, the Vietnamese Communist Party or the United States military? The US political leadership bungled the war and lost it. the US military won every single battle of the war. Maybe you should study some history.

YN -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/16/2012 10:40:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: YN quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: YN quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If you really think any military, or combination of militaries, can oppose the US then it is you who need to find the facts and not believe propoganda. Are Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Cong all mythological characters? Vietnam was not a military victory that you believe it was proves your ignorance. So it was a victory for the United States? Who controls all Vietnam today, the Vietnamese Communist Party or the United States military? The US political leadership bungled the war and lost it. the US military won every single battle of the war. Maybe you should study some history. So did the Vietnamese emerge victorious after "opposing the US military and all its allies?" "won every battle" + "bungled the war and lost it" = lost the war to normal people. Since "war is politics by other means" the Vietnamese successfully opposed the US military and its allies, contrary to your revisionist claims.

YN -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/16/2012 10:44:07 PM)
Colonel Harry - "You know, you never beat us on the battlefield," Colonel Tu - "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant."

tweakabelle -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/16/2012 10:47:56 PM)
"[i]the truth according to Bibi was that Iran could have a nuclear bomb "BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR". But whoops! Here's a little downgrading for the reader. "Iran is the centre of terrorism, fundamentalism and subversion and is … more dangerous than Nazism, because Hitler did not possess a nuclear bomb …" Bibi speaking on Thursday? Nope. The ex-Prime Minister of Israel, Shimon Peres, in 1996. And – I'm indebted here to the indispensable Roger Cohen – Peres himself said in 1992 that Iran would have a nuclear bomb by 1999! That's 13 years ago. And Ehud Barak – now Bibi's Defence Minister – said in 1996 that Iran would have a nuke by 2004. That's eight years ago." http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/benjamin-netanyahus-warning-reveals-his-moments-of-memory-loss-8190461.html?origin=internalSearch So the first Israeli announcement that Iran would be nuclear armed was 1992 ie. during the last CENTURY. It is beyond dispute that the Israeli announcement was a lie. Since then, as the above quote shows, there have been numerous repeats of the lie and guess what? There's still no Iranian nuclear weapon. So all the pronouncements since have been lies too. When people have been caught telling the same bare-faced lie continuously for twenty years, they lose all credibility. So Netanyahu, the leading war monger on this issue, simply is not believable when he makes claims about Iranian nukes. Even his own intelligence service, Mossad, disagrees with Netanyahu's claims. Mind you, that Netanyahu, himself personally implicated in smuggling nuclear triggers from the USA to Israel and PM of a nuclear armed State that refuses to sign the Non Proliferation Treaty, has the gall to complain about others' alleged nuclear activity demonstrates a level of hypocrisy that is stratospheric. Even among politicians Netanyahu has a reputation as a liar, as Obama and Sarkozy inadvertently revealed to the world not so long ago. More fool anyone who pays any attention to this lying war monger beating the drums of war.

crazyml -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 12:26:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The only way China or N Korea has to counter the US technological superiority is the use of chemical and nuclear weapons which they won't use since they cannot strike the mainland US and the US can strike back anywhere. This is why China has never crossed the strait of Taiwan. I'm not sure what you mean here... are you asserting that China doesn't have missiles with sufficient range to hit mainland USA? In that case, I (along with the DOD) think you're wrong.

DomKen -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 2:48:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The only way China or N Korea has to counter the US technological superiority is the use of chemical and nuclear weapons which they won't use since they cannot strike the mainland US and the US can strike back anywhere. This is why China has never crossed the strait of Taiwan. I'm not sure what you mean here... are you asserting that China doesn't have missiles with sufficient range to hit mainland USA? In that case, I (along with the DOD) think you're wrong. They do not have missiles with sufficient range to hit all of the mainland US except the DF-5A and DF-31A series and they deploy very few of those (perhaps a dozen of each). They can strike the west coast and maybe the midwest with the rest of their arsenal (DF-4 and DF-31 missiles mostly). The DF-5A missiles are brought out into the open air and fueled before launching, a 2 hour operations. It is safe to assume we would see that happening and strike most/all of those launch vehicles long before they could be fully fueled and launched.

mnottertail -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 6:13:50 AM)
If any superpower gets in a battle with us, their first move would be to knock out our military sattellites with conventional missles, leaving us deaf, dumb, and blind.

SternSkipper -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 7:24:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I have a great doubt that India is bunghole buddies with Iran. They are trying to sell them stuff, but that is about as far as the war alliance will go there. Hopefully, what India is trying to market to them is Technical Support, which would mean that Iran would never have a working smart phone, let alone nukes.

mnottertail -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 7:29:07 AM)
I already have problems with customer service, please India, don't put call centers in that bitch, you will destroy America.

SternSkipper -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 7:58:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ermoodj Well, even your own gouverment is telling it... you're just poor, best thing to do is simply admit it. current account balance 2011: US: $ -473,400,000,000 wich makes it the poorest counrie on earth;) China: $ 201,700,000,000 no.1 Russia: $ 101,300,000,000 no.5 UK: $ -46,470,000,000 no.185 France: $ -65,600,000,000 no.189 Iran: $ 42,000,000,000 no.12 Who's up for surf'n'turf for lunch? The great revelation here is that disco still thrives in Moscow and lead painted children's toys are profitable.

SternSkipper -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 8:47:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ermood Yes they are... but not thanks to the US;) they only ruind lives over there remember Nice.fake... If you really hated America, you'd have started a pro-Romney thread.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 9:16:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: ORIGINAL: ermoodj Well, even your own gouverment is telling it... you're just poor, best thing to do is simply admit it. current account balance 2011: US: $ -473,400,000,000 wich makes it the poorest counrie on earth;) China: $ 201,700,000,000 no.1 Russia: $ 101,300,000,000 no.5 UK: $ -46,470,000,000 no.185 France: $ -65,600,000,000 no.189 Iran: $ 42,000,000,000 no.12 Who's up for surf'n'turf for lunch? The great revelation here is that disco still thrives in Moscow and lead painted children's toys are profitable. As there was no link, just a bunch of numbers, I THINK he was putting up the national debt of various countries. The problem with that theory is that debt does not preclude wealth. Person 1 rents his house, rides a bike to work and is pulling down a bit above minimum wage. He has a TV and a stereo and his clothes and has a thousand or so in the bank but has no debts. Person 2 owns his own home. He also owns commercial rental property. His car is paid for. He has stocks and is the owner of a significant quantity of durable goods. He also has about 200K in debt. Which person is more wealthy? According to ermood, it appears to be person #1. In the real world, it is #2.

YN -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 10:26:50 AM)
I would inspect external debt per capita - http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_deb_ext_percap-economy-debt-external-per-capita And compare it the GDP per capita - https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html To see how "broke" a country might be. For example average Netherlands citizens each have 137,000 U$D debt but produce 42,000 U$D thus somewhat over two years of their labor dedicated would pay the bill. in comparison. The United States has 40,000 USD worth of debt per person but has a per capita production of 49000 USD requiring less then a year. English have 172,000 USD in debt but produce 36,000 USD per year for about five years of labor. Australia has 40,000 USD debt but have a GDP each of 40,000 USD Since China is named the numbers are $300 debt and $8500 average GDP which the Chinese man or woman could retire in a few weeks.

ermood -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 3:18:05 PM)
I don't hate the US;)

ermood -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 3:21:40 PM)
Like i already told you;) these numbers are coming from your own gouverment friend;) get some education and open your eyes, maybe you'll see the truth then.

crazyml -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 3:33:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YN I would inspect external debt per capita - http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_deb_ext_percap-economy-debt-external-per-capita And compare it the GDP per capita - https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html To see how "broke" a country might be. For example average Netherlands citizens each have 137,000 U$D debt but produce 42,000 U$D thus somewhat over two years of their labor dedicated would pay the bill. in comparison. The United States has 40,000 USD worth of debt per person but has a per capita production of 49000 USD requiring less then a year. English have 172,000 USD in debt but produce 36,000 USD per year for about five years of labor. Australia has 40,000 USD debt but have a GDP each of 40,000 USD Since China is named the numbers are $300 debt and $8500 average GDP which the Chinese man or woman could retire in a few weeks. Errm... Gross External Debt per capita is a ridiculous measure of national debt, on account of it being grossly distorted by the presence of a banking sector.

SternSkipper -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 3:34:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ermood Well friend;) I live in The Netherlands so... Poor Netherlands

crazyml -> RE: Iran VS Israel (10/17/2012 3:40:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The only way China or N Korea has to counter the US technological superiority is the use of chemical and nuclear weapons which they won't use since they cannot strike the mainland US and the US can strike back anywhere. This is why China has never crossed the strait of Taiwan. I'm not sure what you mean here... are you asserting that China doesn't have missiles with sufficient range to hit mainland USA? In that case, I (along with the DOD) think you're wrong. They do not have missiles with sufficient range to hit all of the mainland US except the DF-5A and DF-31A series and they deploy very few of those (perhaps a dozen of each). They can strike the west coast and maybe the midwest with the rest of their arsenal (DF-4 and DF-31 missiles mostly). The DF-5A missiles are brought out into the open air and fueled before launching, a 2 hour operations. It is safe to assume we would see that happening and strike most/all of those launch vehicles long before they could be fully fueled and launched. Right... so just to be clear... you agree that the statement "Chinna cannot strike mainland US" is... let's just say 'completely wrong' right? And.... when you say "it is safe to assume we would see that happening"... do you imagine you could get sat-int on the whole of china in two hours? <chortle>

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