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OpenMindOpenHand -> RE: Now God intended rape to happen. (11/7/2012 11:26:17 AM)
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"ORIGINAL: subspaceseven
If God already knows what is going to happen, then he should also know that an abortion is going to happen. If he knows all then he is aware of the USSC ruling allowing for abortions. So what are the conservatives bitching about, it is set in motion, God's will that the abortion take place, people can't have it both ways, God's will only works for them and not for others "
That is a statement of absolute insanity.That's like saying that if you send your kids off to school in the morning, you know that a shooting might occur there, so you should be condemned to death for their murder, whether it actually happens or not, because you obviously wanted your child murdered or you wouldn't have sent them to school! It is just that ludicrous.
People who get abortions are responsible for the abortions they get. God does not drive them to the abortion clinic. Instead, he provides them with very healthy guidelines, which, if they followed, would prevent them from getting themselves or others pregnant, help them have better health if they did get pregnant, and help them to be the sort of people who appreciated the life of all children.
Also, if you knew anything about the Bible, you'd probably know about a certain story of some people who were told that things things were definitely going to happen to them, due to their behavior. They were not told "maybe" either. It was just that bad things were going to happen to them and they would be destroyed. And, instead of saying "Oh, God says it has to be this way, so let's go kill another baby." they said something more like "Oh dear! We really have screwed up, then, haven't we?" and they changed. And, they were forgiven and the bad things did not happen to them.
See, that's part of free will. God says some things HAVE to happen, such as that the earth will be populated by his people in the end, as he had purposed it to be in the beginning. We didn't have to sell ourselves into slavery to Satan, and once sold by our parents, we did not have to remain in slavery to Satan. We didn't have to have wars, rape, murder, thievery, lying, child abuse, etc. Each of us always had a choice as to whether we would or would not engage in any of those. He did not say it HAD to happen, but, that it WOULD happen. He has been proven to be right. It DID happen. It never had to, though. The fact that it did, and still does, makes it a longer and harder fight to get back to the way life should be. That's all.
Edited to add this:
"ORIGINAL: Moonhead
That argument is a ridiculous and stupidly reductive line of crap popular with fundamentalists who like to stress that "atheism is a religion too""
Atheism is a religion. Oddly enough, Christians used to be called atheists. However, I am not even talking about that context. I'm talking about religion being what you dedicate your life to.
More or less, if it is an "ism" then it is a religion. Judaism, Catholicism, patriotism, taoism. Why? It is a way of life and more than just a style of living. Some people worship money, some sex, some their country, some their belief that we are alone and there is no God.
It doesn't matter what it is. They dedicate their life to it, they fight for it, they sometimes even die or kill for it. It is their religion.
There is no such thing as a non-dedicated atheist. You really have to believe there is no God to really be an atheist, and you have to believe it to the point of refusing to study and consider the Bible, the Koran, the way many Buddhist teachings reflect the truths within, ignore the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and discount thousands of years of history rife with provable truths. That is religion.
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