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ORIGINAL: Kirata

"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realise that life [that newly conceived life] is that gift from God. And, I think, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen," he said.

For a few years after college, I was a volunteer ESL teacher, and I've been a professional wordsmith for a quarter of a century now. So I generally trust my comprehension skills, but I know they're not perfect. (Whose are?) What do you feel folks aren't grasping from the blue sentence, Kirata? What do you see as the antecedent of "it"?

I was an English major. The antecedent of "it" in that statement is "life," not rape.

K.

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FR
What is it with the GOP? First Todd Akin, now this moron. Do they have a never ending series of grossly repulsive cretins running for public office?


I wonder how loudly would these sanctimonious creeps holler if they were the ones being raped?

The GOP ended about 30 years ago when the Religious nuts took over. [X(]

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realise that life [that newly conceived life] is that gift from God. And, I think, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen," he said.

For a few years after college, I was a volunteer ESL teacher, and I've been a professional wordsmith for a quarter of a century now. So I generally trust my comprehension skills, but I know they're not perfect. (Whose are?) What do you feel folks aren't grasping from the blue sentence, Kirata? What do you see as the antecedent of "it"?

I was an English major. The antecedent of "it" in that statement is "life," not rape.

K.

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It [pregnancy] being a gift or not is up to the person receiving it.

What happens to a woman's body, including what happens inside the woman's body is up to the woman concerned to define and decide for herself. No one else has the right. It is up to the woman concerned herself and no one else, except her partner in cases of voluntary pregnancy.
If men were faced with decisions like this, I doubt very much there would be controversy or even any discussion about it. I can't see men putting up with these kinds of pressures and control over their own bodies for an instant - indeed why should they? But women are expected to sit mutely while others (who won't ever have to live with the consequences) make decisions for them.

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I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realise that life [that newly conceived life] is that gift from God.

He struggled with the concept that life is a gift?

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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage

~FR~

"But if we're going to treat this logically, we should note that Rep. Joe Donnelly, the conservative Democrat challenging Mourdock, co-sponsored the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act of 2011. That was the bill that, in initial drafts, created a distinction between "rape" and "forcible rape." You've got a Republican candidate who believes that life starts at conception and won't make allowances for abortion, and a Democrat who believes that life starts at conception and HEY LOOK OVER THERE."--David Weigel, Slate

In defense of my beloved home state, we do have one candidate running for this seat who respects women's rights--Libertarian Andrew Horning.

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"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realise that life is that gift from God. And, I think, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen," he said.

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I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realise that life [that newly conceived life] is that gift from God.
He struggled with the concept that life is a gift?

Page 63 of The Religious Nutter's Handbook.
"When saying something that is might be seen as controversial by the poor liberal hellbound Aetheists, always use the phrase 'I struggled with this decision'. This gives you immediate credence among those very few who might see the light some day and be saved in His name"

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I'd also suggest a bit more time in church cause your Christian beliefs aren't what the truth is.....

Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. ~Plato

K.

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Then why is a fool like you speaking?

That was Plato speaking. There's a clue hidden in the post, if you can find it.

K.

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i think this could be an interesting debate if people on each side didn't have pre-conceived notions about the beliefs of their opponents. i've certainly met conservatives that don't agree with the "life is a gift from God, even when it comes from rape" crowd.that said, abortion is one of those hot button issues, and i doubt i'm going to convince anyone to change their mind about it because of a well-written post on this thread.

an interesting thing to note, though: romney has already come out with a statement distancing himself from the shit storm that this sound bite is stirring up. smart man.

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It's pretty ironic that if it's "God" that knows everything that's supposed to happen, people feel the need to slam that entity.

Why are we not throwing fortune tellers and spiritualists in jail for failure to report crimes; like the mass murders that they surely must know about in advance?

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It's pretty ironic that if it's "God" that knows everything that's supposed to happen, people feel the need to slam that entity.

Why are we not throwing fortune tellers and spiritualists in jail for failure to report crimes; like the mass murders that they surely must know about in advance?

Have not read this whole thread, but wouldnt that be akin to suing "god"