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Plus, you have a whole political party devoted to encouraging racial, ethnic, and class divisions for their power.

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ORIGINAL: ElChupa

I thought Dear Leader was supposed to be the guy that magically made everybody love everybody else? One of the big problems is that we have whole classes of people born into thinking they are victims and they stay and act that way their whole lives. Plus, you have a whole political party devoted to encouraging racial, ethnic, and class divisions for their power.

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

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I think the latter. I know I've talked to people who intellectually believe everyone is and should be equal but still have a hard time shaking off that last little bit of gut-level unease about people that are different from them. An ex of mine, a white woman, confessed to me once that if she was alone at night and saw a black man she'd get scared. She knew it was BS and felt guilty about it, but couldn't manage to get rid of it.

What I found REALLY interesting was that Republicans were apparently more likely to say racist things than have racist feelings.

If you want to be fair and reasonable about that "unease" wouldn't she be a bit uneasy about any man that she did not know when she was alone at night? I am a great believer in 18 inches of pesonal space. A female who approaches without invitation is not to be trusted, and all sorts of paranoid nonsense. I realize that it is paranoid. I don't trust or welcome much of anyone. It is not a race thing. It is an earned thing.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

So now we have Obama. Rs do not like his politics and the Ds have labeled Rs raciss because, as we all know, the only reason to dislike Obama is his race. Can't be anything else. Surely couldn't be his politics. How could it be? Even Samuel L. Jackson said he voted for Obama due to his being black. It's quite apparent, isn't it?, that Obama was elected due to his race and not his politics. It was about breaking the glass ceiling. This is what the Ds scream from the rooftops. Alan Keyes could have broken it too. But of course it wasn't about his race but his politics.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Particularly as a President elect from the liberal, freeloady, sense of entitlement party...

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri


The goals are race-based, but the improvement goals are higher for Hispanics and Blacks than they are for Whites (there was no data showing where Asian students were in 2011-12). Additionally, the testing standards, are the same for all students. It's achievement goals that are being set, and demonstrate the different starting points.

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So all blacks and hispanics have worse starting points? They are naturally poorer or live in worse situations?

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While they may be realistic, I dislike the suggestion that "we just don't expect as much from you."

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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

FR

i don't think racial prejudice has gotten worse. i think it has been ingrained in america's social fabric for a long time, and the election of a black president simply brought it back to the surface.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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So all blacks and hispanics have worse starting points? They are naturally poorer or live in worse situations?

Necessarily, the goals are set against a group mean, or average. Whichever. Assume you have measurements that confirm that different groups have different starting points, and they did have such measurements. Expecting the same level of outcome for each group actually demands MORE of the groups beginning at the lower levels. They simply have more stairs to climb to reach the universal goal.

Furthermore, looking at the Tampa news article you linked, it seems pretty clear that the goals were meant to be a measure of the school districts' achievements in delivering education to diverse populations.

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While they may be realistic, I dislike the suggestion that "we just don't expect as much from you."

Group goals are usually minimum standards. Additionally, schools provide avenues for greater excellence. Honors classes and Advance Placement classes for example. There is no suggestion to the kids that 'we don't expect as much from you.' Simply wrong. The children would probably have remained unaware of the goals if not for the outcry from adults.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

How about Florida and their racially based education goals?

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/10/12/florida-passes-plan-for-racially-based-academic-goals/

"90 percent of Asian students, 88 percent of white students, 81 percent of Hispanics and 74 percent of black students to be reading at or above grade level. For math, the goals are 92 percent of Asian kids to be proficient, whites at 86 percent, Hispanics at 80 percent and blacks at 74 percent."

So based on the color of skin or DNA, we just cannot expect some students to do as well?

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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

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i don't think racial prejudice has gotten worse. i think it has been ingrained in america's social fabric for a long time, and the election of a black president simply brought it back to the surface.

I agree, most of us {that are effected} know this, but this MIGHT be enlightening for those that don't.

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ORIGINAL: ElChupa

I thought Dear Leader was supposed to be the guy that magically made everybody love everybody else?

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One of the big problems is that we have whole classes of people born into thinking they are victims and they stay and act that way their whole lives.

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Plus, you have a whole political party devoted to encouraging racial, ethnic, and class divisions for their power.

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The system of castas, or genizaros was inspired by the assumption that the character and quality of people varied according to their birth, color, race and origin of ethnic types. The system of castas was more than socio-racial classification. It impacted every aspect of life, including economics and taxation. Both the Spanish colonial state and the Church expected more tax and tribute payments from those of lower socio-racial categories.

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Except that studies have shown that teachers ideas of how well students are going to do affect how well students do. If the teacher thinks that some students will be high achievers (because they are told so based on tests), their actions will help the students to become high achievers (regardless of what the tests actually said).

So you have a self-fulfilling prophecy for permanent under-achievement.

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ORIGINAL: ElChupa

I thought Dear Leader was supposed to be the guy that magically made everybody love everybody else?

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Well what do you expect? Obama has made everything a racial issue and intervened numerous times in incidents that should have been handled by local law enforcement

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Marini I think you and absolutchocolat are using poor logic. Of course it is your opinion and I respect that but I do believe facts say you are mistaken.

I do think that those who are prejudice have become more vocal but they do not represent reality. Obama would not have been elected four years ago without the majority support of so called white America and it would not be a close race today either.

The fact is America no longer votes by, against, or for race. If Obama is not re-elected it will be because of differences in policy between him and the majority of the American people.

And if he leaves office in defeat he will have served with distinction and will be recognized as an honest sincere President. Yes the first black president as well but he will be proof of the progress of American race relations… not the regression of them.

Butch

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Much of what is seen as racial prejudice in the United States is class bias, the casto system the English aped in their colonies of the Spanish and Portuguese is still in effect. Even the Spanish words or their Anglicization are used in many cases.