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tazzygirl -> RE: Racial Prejudice in America Getting Worse (10/28/2012 9:02:23 PM)

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Harvard Law Professor Charles Ogletree told the Herald he was just kidding when he suggested that a decades-old clip of a young Barack Obama praising and embracing controversial Professor Derrick Bell was kept hidden from voters during the 2008 campaign.

“It was a big joke,” Ogletree said. “If you watch the tape, the audience is laughing when I’m laughing.”


http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20220309ogletree_iwas_jokingabout_obamavideo_clip

We can take that off the list as well.

Martin... how was that racially motivated when the country was calling for an investigation?

Shirley Sherrod.... fired for racist comments based upon a video by a conservative site... then apologized too and offered another position, one she was considering before turning it down. How was that "racially" motivated?





Aylee -> RE: Racial Prejudice in America Getting Worse (10/28/2012 9:35:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

So they had not met right away. Has all the white Presidents met with all the prominent white business owners? What did Obama have to do with what Johnson said? Did he twist it somehow? Make it into a racial issue? Push his own agenda?

As far as being the most prominent black businessman.. I tend to disagree.





Yes it was a racial issue with Ogletree.

Granted, I was thinking of James Crowley, but Ogletree was mentoring Obama at the time. Easy to get names confused when you are short on sleep.




tazzygirl -> RE: Racial Prejudice in America Getting Worse (10/28/2012 9:36:17 PM)

How is that racial? And that wasnt Ogletree, that was Johnson.




Aylee -> RE: Racial Prejudice in America Getting Worse (10/28/2012 9:39:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Harvard Law Professor Charles Ogletree told the Herald he was just kidding when he suggested that a decades-old clip of a young Barack Obama praising and embracing controversial Professor Derrick Bell was kept hidden from voters during the 2008 campaign.

“It was a big joke,” Ogletree said. “If you watch the tape, the audience is laughing when I’m laughing.”


http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20220309ogletree_iwas_jokingabout_obamavideo_clip

We can take that off the list as well.

Martin... how was that racially motivated when the country was calling for an investigation?

Shirley Sherrod.... fired for racist comments based upon a video by a conservative site... then apologized too and offered another position, one she was considering before turning it down. How was that "racially" motivated?




“I can understand what you’ve experienced,” to Ms. Sherrod.

“If I had a son – he’d look like Treyvon.”

Yep, he is bringing race into both of those situations.




Aylee -> RE: Racial Prejudice in America Getting Worse (10/28/2012 9:40:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

How is that racial? And that wasnt Ogletree, that was Johnson.


You really do not see it?




tazzygirl -> RE: Racial Prejudice in America Getting Worse (10/28/2012 9:45:15 PM)

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“I can understand what you’ve experienced,” to Ms. Sherrod.

“If I had a son – he’d look like Treyvon.”

Yep, he is bringing race into both of those situations.


He looked like half my brother's friends growing up... would that make me racist as well?

Im sure he can understand what she experienced. I can... does that make me racially motivated? Have you been discriminated against for any reason? Does that make you racist?

Sherrod was made a mark because she was a black woman speaking on a topic of racism. His comments do not make it a racial issue, the whole situation was a racial issue even before Obama got involved.


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

How is that racial? And that wasnt Ogletree, that was Johnson.


You really do not see it?


From your post, you are confusing the two. So, no, I dont see what you are saying. The situations are different. Ogletree was a mentor, if I am not mistaken. I have had mentors, I didnt always take all their advice. I didnt always follow all their recommendations.

Again, how does Ogletree make it a racial issue simply because he was Obama's mentor?

How is Johnson a racial issue at all?




xXsoumisXx -> RE: Racial Prejudice in America Getting Worse (10/28/2012 10:13:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: xXsoumisXx

and it is a fact of life now. We, as educators, teach to the tests. that is all that is important. And race is a huge factor in these outcomes. Now, we just need a small percentage of improvement.. scores are not important as we have a very large percentage of enrollment 'minority". The more minorities enrolled in a school.. the more lax the standards. I wonder, if a school is 90% one race is it still a minority?
ETA: sometimes the reason for the different standards is all about language. for Hispanic as well as Black/African American. If the home language is not standard English, the child has some catching up to do, doesn't matter if it is Spanish or Slang, or Russian, or Chinese. the effect on the child is the same.
In fact.. if it is another language it is better, than if it is badly spoken English. There are special programs for ESL, or English as Second Language Learners. Not so much if Slang is the home language.


There are a lot of things that can affect a child's performance. I disagree with codifying the idea that we should expect different levels of achievement based on melanin. The kids are in the school, receiving the same instruction, the expected outcome should be equal across the board. Anything else is wrong and contributes to the idea that biology is destiny.

It isn't really about what color the skin is.. it is about how they speak..Language is everything when it comes to learning. if i ask a child their age.. and they say cinco.. that is very different than if they say " i is fi ys oh" . one is correct, but in a different language. one is a problem.
We teach them both the same. They both know they are 5 years old. They should score the same. One might be given a test in their home language, and do well. The other will struggle with the printed word, the letters and sounds so foreign to him..
One child's family wants them to learn English and supports that at home. The other child's family teases them for sounding too white. Which child will get the better test score?




thompsonx -> RE: Racial Prejudice in America Getting Worse (10/30/2012 8:49:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I know that I spoke to people in '08 that told me that they were voting for Barry because: "He knows what it is to be a black man in America". While it's anecdotal, those statements surely suggest that those people were voting for a race.



Peace and comfort,



Michael[/color]


Anyone with a three digit iq would read the above statement to mean that the particular candidate is aware of issues that concern them. For you to conflate that into racism speaks clearly to your racial bias and not to the content of the statement.




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