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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/2/2012 11:48:27 AM   
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I think what you appear to want will be easier to get if you start to say you want "a long term relationship based on mutual exploitation and enjoyable company".

Not a judgment, just an observation.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/2/2012 11:53:55 AM   
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Witholding sex is an evil form of diminishment.



Ah, now we're down to the crux of how you think. While your partner is struggling to keep her head above water emotionally while coping with unavoidable life events (without any support from you, no less) you think she's deliberately trying to 'diminish' you! It really IS all about YOU, isn't it? Well, news flash. You started out 'diminished'. Nothing she can do will bring to you what you aren't capable of bringing to yourself.

Totally sad.

Well, every board loves a villain. Carry on.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/2/2012 11:56:33 AM   
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^^^ This is what I was saying in my round about way.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/2/2012 5:07:16 PM   
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This could also be a greeeaaat new exercise to demonstrate the use of the Hide button. ^_^

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 6:58:11 AM   
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Hey Reeds,
Sorry that you've been ill. I'd wondered where you went off too. Hope all is well, or at least getting there soon.


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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 9:44:10 AM   
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How have your relationships re-established themselves, and gotten through it?

Ever go through a period of needing to be re-broken in? Or got to do the breaking?

Or if it's never happened what would you do?

We've had some bumps and bruises along the way, but I can't say we needed to "re-establish" our relationship. I think because we just let the relationship evolve along the way, making adjustments for the life traumas/dramas as they occurred.

For us, the undercurrent was always that he's in charge, even if the "kink" slowed down or even stopped. He's still the owner, still the boss.

Yes, it's had its frustrating times, but we're both in this for the long run, and the relationship between us (the way we connect, the love, the companionship) has always been the priority above the sex, for both of us. Maybe because of our past experiences - previous relationships, sexual excursions, marriages - we realized that sex and kink, while fun and vital and nourishing in its own right, can always be brought back into the picture when BOTH of us are ready, but the priority for us is we both have each others best interest, we're both really patient with each other, and when supporting each other through life ordeals, neither of us really feels like we're sacrificing anything.

Two months into seeing each other, I still considered our relationship extremely new. We were still getting to know each other, after all. And I had a cancer scare. I remember telling him, if I do have cancer, I wouldn't ask or expect him to stick around, that would be a LOT for someone to take on, so early into a relationship. I told him I would completely understand, and would have no hard feelings at all, if he felt the need to move on. His response was that he had come to know me well enough to know he wanted to be with me, cancer or not, and we'd take each step together with it. I was floored.

About a year and a half ago, he had some serious custody battle issues with his ex wife. Took months and months to resolve, and it exhausted him, frustrated him, and angered him greatly. Our sex life and kink life changed during all of that. It was an adjustment for me, but I also knew it was just temporary (for however long temporary needed to be), and really just wanted to support him through it. What used to be alone time for getting our rocks off together, had turned into reviewing legal documents, finances, and finding distraction in movies and such. When things were resolved, we melded back into a new kind of normalcy - more enriched, because of what we had just gone through.

Right now my brother-in-law is dying, and a LOT of my time and energy is spent helping my sister and taking care of my two young nephews. I spend nights over there, or bring the boys here, and I pick the boys up from school, and do grocery shopping for my sister, and provide a major ear for her as they are pre-planning his funeral and making necessary arrangements in advance. I'm emotionally drained by this, and I cry a lot. The Mister has let me know he EXPECTS me to make my sister and her family my priority right now, and if I'm less available to him (physically, mentally, emotionally), he knows that's just a temporary result of taking care of my family. When my brother-in-law dies (we think it will be within a few weeks, during the holidays), my sister and the boys will need even more help, and the Mister encourages me to be there for her, assuring me WE will be fine - because we've already established a baseline of love for our relationship.

Goodness, if he were to mention fucking others in my absence during a crisis, without giving me adequate time to heal, I'd say to fuck whoever he wants, because I couldn't stay with someone that shallow.

Anyway, "returning" to each other after major issues - medical, emotional, whatever - is gradual and slow. We're both a fan of baby steps - patience is our friend, and love is our foundation. We talk a lot about what we're thinking, feeling, fearing, frustrated by, etc., and we allow each other to feel what we feel. Often times the partner of someone going through crisis has his/her own issues to deal with as a result, and we talk through those, too. Being grateful toward each other is also important.

I do wish you well, reeds. Sorry I rambled so much!

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 1:41:51 PM   
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quote:

I think what you appear to want will be easier to get if you start to say you want "a long term relationship based on mutual exploitation and enjoyable company".



I do. And I do.

What kind of idiot starts a relationship looking for unilateral imposition and grievous hardship?


Nueva, your post is terrific. As you say, two months into the relationship was quite new for you both; it was surprising that he wanted to sit through cancer with you, and you would have borne him no grudge had he opted otherwise.

I just wonder at those who would begrudge someone that latitude and understanding. Expecting someone to be obligated to long-term purchase that soon after meeting you...that thought process is just staggering. Is this entire board lesbians?



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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 2:28:14 PM   
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Is this entire board lesbians?


No. Read all the all the multiple posts from both men and women who stood by each other as compassionate human beings.

Des, maybe fucking someone is the only way you can feel some semblance of connection, and that's why you feel so 'diminished' when it's not available to you. I'm terribly sorry for your bad luck if that's the case.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 2:48:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: descrite

I do. And I do.


Good. This raises my opinion of you substantially, not that I expect that to matter.

quote:

What kind of idiot starts a relationship looking for unilateral imposition and grievous hardship?


My kind of idiot, mostly.

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Is this entire board lesbians?


I can say with some confidence that I'm probably not a lesbian.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 4:41:11 PM   
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And I have a vasectomy.


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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 5:15:14 PM   
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descrite, sorry your potential hardship of not getting laid feels so much worse than not being able to have a waking moment w/out pain for over a month (in a way that made sex nearly impossible), and then needing surgery for the pain and to cut my bowels free so I could eat again, and then the arduous month long recovery where sexual activity was specifically stated as being a no go by my surgeon. I also hope you never get sick, because a partner with the same attitude as you would leave your ass.

So glad my partner isn't you.

Back to the original topic:

I think we're through the rough part of recovery, and starting to get to the fun part. The difficulty is reintroducing kink, I am SO sensitive right now. Also, still healing internally so unpredictable writhing around is probably not a great plan for another month or so. I also just quit smoking! So while I planned to use fire play as a means of getting back into it, even that is going to need to wait another week until my lungs adjust. Thinking it's probably best to start w/ cleaning up the knives and make sure they are in their proper places.

Thankfully our baseline always involves some lighter stuff.

Whats funny is that surgery literally fixed my sex drive, so it's going to be easier than I thought!!!

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 5:18:46 PM   
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congrats on your recovery so far, and thanks for sharing. this has been an interesting thread to follow.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 7:29:56 PM   
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descrite, sorry your potential hardship of not getting laid feels so much worse than not being able to have a waking moment w/out pain for over a month



Oh. Okay. I didn't realize we were playing Whoever Has It Worse, Wins.

See, it's just that when I'm in a relationship, if I'm in a bad spot, I don't go looking for ways to make my partner miserable, too. In fact, if I can see any way clear to ensuring that she's not harmed by my failure as a partner, I'll do that.


I can't quite grasp the "my life sucks, so yours has to suck, too" cult of misery. Sounds very Catholic.

Between that and the Get A U-Haul On The Second Date undercurrent, we don't just have a bunch of lesbians, we have lesbian Catholics.


Nuns, I figure. With broadband. The worst kind.



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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 7:54:47 PM   
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If I became incapable of (or unwilling in) pleasing my partner, I would not expect my partner's sexuality to die with my capability/desire. That would be ridiculous to even ask of her, and abusive. Witholding sex is an evil form of diminishment.



Withholding sex from you would not cause you to diminish.

You have done that all by yourself with the trash you spew.

You seem to not get that other people actually care for each other and that other men are not ruled by their dicks.

Oh, and I don't think we are all lesbians here; its just that no woman here would touch you with someone else's twat.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 8:07:52 PM   
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OK, i sort of agree with descrite. If i am in a two month relationship i wouldn't expect my mate to stick by me for cancer, financial woes or any of a myriad of horrible things. It would be great if they did, as a friend, but unless we are in a committed relationship, that would be a bit much.

I stayed with my Sir through his dying and death because it was what i needed to do for me and him. Me because if i had left, i couldn't have looked at myself in a mirror again - quite apart from the fact that i loved the man. And that love sustained me when he stopped being the person i fell in love with , because of pain, depression, illness and the knowledge that he was dying. How could he have stayed the same? He was going somewhere that i couldn't imagine, knowing that he was dying.

and because of that experience, i would have to think long and hard before i did it again. If my sweetie fell ill, i would be there for him, but we have a history of a number of years, and a lot of love. A casual relationship wouldn't get that level of committment from me.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 8:10:56 PM   
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I don't think anyone here has stated that after a one or two month relationship they would expect someone to stick by them with cancer or any other serious life issue.

The point is that IF someone's one or two month partner decides that they are worth sticking by in times of trouble, it is very admirable and could lead to that person being the right one.

If someone is stuck on getting their sexual needs met and getting pissed at a partner who is experiencing problems, then I would be happy to know that early on.

I can tell you this; if I met someone wonderful and was only with them for a short time, I would not abandon them to get laid.

But that is just me, compassion rules me, not my pussy.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/3/2012 8:15:46 PM   
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I think we're through the rough part of recovery, and starting to get to the fun part. The difficulty is reintroducing kink, I am SO sensitive right now. Also, still healing internally so unpredictable writhing around is probably not a great plan for another month or so.

Start with mind fucks. Do some control oriented stuff. Then move on to light stuff, pinches, slaps, nothing heavy duty, maybe some breath play. I know you like hard core roughhousing but this gives you the opportunity to introduce some different things into the eqaution. Look at it as an opportunity-not a nuisance. Take the lemons life gave you and make lemonade.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/4/2012 11:45:51 AM   
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See, it's just that when I'm in a relationship, if I'm in a bad spot, I don't go looking for ways to make my partner miserable, too.



Neither would she, Einstein. You keep missing the point that she would be too f*cking busy dealing by herself to have time and energy to search for ways to make you miserable. Besides, if that was the goal, no need. You seem to do it to yourself just fine.

You still think it's all about you; you probably always will. That is your cross to bear. And no, I'm not a Catholic nun. Re: my internet signal: none of your business.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/4/2012 4:03:51 PM   
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How have your relationships re-established themselves, and gotten through it?

Ever go through a period of needing to be re-broken in? Or got to do the breaking?

Or if it's never happened what would you do?


My marriage didn't survive me getting sick in 1999, but it was fizzling out anyway.

My pain tolerance does go down if I haven't played in a while. Last time, I suggested he start slowly and go to 50% but between him not doing this AND wrapping, it didn't end well, but I expect you have a more experienced partner than I did at the time.

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RE: Kink Interrupted - 11/4/2012 4:25:07 PM   
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I don't think anyone here has stated that after a one or two month relationship they would expect someone to stick by them with cancer or any other serious life issue.


Then you haven't been reading the responses.

That's exactly my point. Quick, a test to see if we agree: do YOU expect a person to stick with someone who gets a surprise cancer diagnosis/wild animal mauling/parental Alzheimer's/meteor strike, 60 days into a relationship?

If your answer is "no," then we agree, and that's what I've been saying this whole time.

Go one more step: if you've been with someone for 60 days (or, let's say, 6 months, for sake of argument), and they get into a car wreck and become a quadraplegic with horrible burn scarring over 80% of their body, and cannot perform sexually, should you feel obligated to not have sex with anyone else, ever? What if they are going to live another 20 years? You go without sex for a generation, because you were soooooo into them for those 6 months? How long would you say is suitable to wait before dating someone else or renting a hooker? A year? 2? 10?

Again: if, for some reason, I cannot meet my partner's needs for an extended period (and, I remind you, the example included EVEN HUMAN CONTACT; PHYSICAL TOUCHING OF ANY KIND), I would not ask her to forego her needs. That's insane. "I'm hurting, so you have to hurt, too"? No. No, thank you. I eat good food, even though I know there are children starving in may parts of the world. Does me no good to starve, just because they are. Diminishing my happiness doesn't help them.

And to those making ad hominem attacks, please realize two things:

1) they don't really support your arguments

2) they're really quite off base and wildly wrong, for the most part








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