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Aswad -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 10:08:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls Excellent and prescient question, A. I try. [;)] Some people instinctively recognize such things. Others don't. From what you relate, you might want to get in touch with Ekman about the Truth Wizards program, or at least have a go at his training bits to see how well you do. quote: Truth be told, my complete and devoted attention was on his gun, and what he was or wasn't going to do with it. That's where your conscious attention was, at least. In such situations, we often filter out other things. For instance, a police officer from a particular robbery here related not even hearing his own shots during the exchange. In my own experience, most of the world just goes away in such a situation. It's all quiet. I don't hear or see anything that isn't relevant. Time loses meaning. Etc. quote: How much my reading skills factored into the outcome, I don't know if I'll ever know. It all happened, and was over, so fast. It could have been just plain ole dumb luck, for all I know. Luck always plays some part. But instincts and training are far more significant factors. If you're interested, you might want to have a look at Grossman's writings on violence, or Ekman about reading. IWYW, — Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 10:12:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls Other than the time I've had to be here to learn some pretty tough lessons (I have done some SERIOUS time in this city/hellhole!), I am not bound by anything to CO. Willing to relocate if the grass is greener! The grass ain't greener where I'm at, it's just planting season, is all. Love to have ya this side of the ocean sometime, but I suspect you would find the place less appealing than my plans for it. [;)] IWYW, — Aswad.

Duskypearls -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 10:38:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls Excellent and prescient question, A. I try. [;)] Some people instinctively recognize such things. Others don't. From what you relate, you might want to get in touch with Ekman about the Truth Wizards program, or at least have a go at his training bits to see how well you do. quote: Truth be told, my complete and devoted attention was on his gun, and what he was or wasn't going to do with it. That's where your conscious attention was, at least. In such situations, we often filter out other things. For instance, a police officer from a particular robbery here related not even hearing his own shots during the exchange. In my own experience, most of the world just goes away in such a situation. It's all quiet. I don't hear or see anything that isn't relevant. Time loses meaning. Etc. quote: How much my reading skills factored into the outcome, I don't know if I'll ever know. It all happened, and was over, so fast. It could have been just plain ole dumb luck, for all I know. Luck always plays some part. But instincts and training are far more significant factors. If you're interested, you might want to have a look at Grossman's writings on violence, or Ekman about reading. IWYW, — Aswad. A, I just googled/Wicki'd Elkman and am fascinated. Thanks muchly! They speak mostly to those that visually pick up on facial/body micro-expressions. I use that to some degree, but do not need it, as I can detect it in voices over the phone, as well, or even when merely seeing people from a distance. It is more like a clairsentient "knowing," that I actually feel in my entire body, especially my gut. I get an instant "reading" on them. I am so sensitive to it that even from childhood, I could not (and still do not) read newspapers or watch the news, as I can physically pick up on the lies and distortions. It is actually terribly physically uncomfortable, and even painful at times, as well as psychically. Such sensitivity and skill has made navigation and relationship-making experiences a great life-long challenge for me, as few are honest or honorable, so it seriously limits the gene pool within which I can fish. Friends are few and far between, and are carefully chosen. Funny how the Wiki article mentions that TV series, "Lie to Me," as I was head over heels thrilled when that came about, as I identify so strongly with it. Thanks, A, I shall also look into Grossman.

CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 11:26:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS You are a very generous person to have not pulled the trigger, and he is a VERY lucky asshole. Exactly. (I just told my boyfriend that I want a gun too, dammit. LOL.)

searching4mysir -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 11:28:59 AM)
FR I could only pray that I have your presence of mind should I be in a similar situation. Unfortunately, I'm not a gun owner (at this time) and the laws in NJ are not as generous as they are in CO.

Aswad -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 1:05:52 PM)
You're welcome, Duskypearls. I hope you find something useful in those sources. Incidentally, if you're ever in a very masochistic mood, it would be interesting to have you review some of the 7/22 trial footage. I only paid attention to the body language and what was actually presented, but the whole affair has a lot of stuff that would be nice to sort out at some point. IWYW, — Aswad.

Duskypearls -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 4:23:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad You're welcome, Duskypearls. I hope you find something useful in those sources. Incidentally, if you're ever in a very masochistic mood, it would be interesting to have you review some of the 7/22 trial footage. I only paid attention to the body language and what was actually presented, but the whole affair has a lot of stuff that would be nice to sort out at some point. IWYW, — Aswad. What 7/22 trial are you referring to? Jackson, Breivick, Susan Smith...?

Aswad -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 7:36:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls What 7/22 trial are you referring to? Jackson, Breivick, Susan Smith...? The Breivik (pron. BRAY-weak) trial. IWYW, — Aswad.

veryspecificneed -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 7:45:33 PM)
My thoughts are that the majority of people who break in don't give a flying fig if the owner has a gun. In fact, some view it as a challenge. Almost all of them care about noise and that's why most of them avoid houses with little yappie dogs, even more than silent but deadly bigger dogs. Had a guy try to rape me at gun point, when I was 16. He gave up because he couldn't get me to quit arguing with him. Had a lot of other experiences where someone else had a gun and I didn't. Ultimately, in most situations, it's not the gun that makes the difference, it's the threat of noise and the general attitude. They don't like staying around people who are noisy and aren't scared. All that being said, just for the sake of being truthful, I have nothing against people owning guns, in most circumstances. I just don't think they have to, and I don't trust any governments or organizations that try to get them not to. If they care that much that you be unarmed, they are planning something that they don't want you to shoot them for.

Duskypearls -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 7:50:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls What 7/22 trial are you referring to? Jackson, Breivick, Susan Smith...? The Breivik (pron. BRAY-weak) trial. IWYW, — Aswad. Truth be told, I saw none of that. Is there something in particular I should look at that you think would be interesting, or the whole bloody thing?

littlewonder -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 8:07:24 PM)
I don't own a gun, don't care to. I don't even carry mace, even though Master wishes I would. He's never forced the issue. I just know I can handle myself with criminals. I've been kidnapped at gunpoint while 8 months pregnant. I was able to keep my cool and persuade him to not hurt me. He eventually stopped and drove me back to an empty strip mall area where I was able to use a payphone to call 911. I've come face to face with other criminals as well and again was able to keep my cool. Once you know how to handle yourself in bad areas and bad people, most of the time you can get away without harm. I thank being raised poor and having to struggle and fight most of my life for that.

Aswad -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 9:19:41 PM)
I took it to PM to avoid going further off topic, Duskypearls. IWYW, — Aswad.

Duskypearls -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 9:27:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad I took it to PM to avoid going further off topic, Duskypearls. IWYW, — Aswad. My dear, you have my expressed permission to take the thread in the direction you did, as it fascinates me. Anyhow, it really wasn't off topic, as both things were about "reading people." I appreciate your contribution, and only hope I can be the boss of my own thread.

Muttling -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 11:06:52 PM)
I'm late to the party, but glad you're alright Dusky. I'm also glad it worked out the way it did, shooting someone (even when legally justified) is a bad day. As for your choice of side arms, I too have a S&W AirLite .357. It's the sidearm I carry the most often as it's very easy to conceal, but th recoil is so monstrous that it leaves my wrist sore each time I take it to the range.

Duskypearls -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 11:15:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling I'm late to the party, but glad you're alright Dusky. I'm also glad it worked out the way it did, shooting someone (even when legally justified) is a bad day. As for your choice of side arms, I too have a S&W AirLite .357. It's the sidearm I carry the most often as it's very easy to conceal, but th recoil is so monstrous that it leaves my wrist sore each time I take it to the range. Thank you, Mutt. Yes, she's got a wee bit of a kick, but for me it's a manageable tradeoff. Today I've been looking at a Sig Sauer P229, w/interchangeable 9mm & .40 caliber barrels. I'd really love one, ya hear that Santa?

Aswad -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/10/2012 11:58:51 PM)
Unfortunately, Duskypearls, given the current policies and the fact that I've seen a good thread pulled today already, I'm going to have to insist on taking it on the other side for now. As soon as the CMail bits come back up, anyway. ETA: Not trying to be a killjoy or anything. I've just met my quota for the day as regards losing threads and posts I've sunk time into. In CMail, I don't have to structure my thoughts with a general audience in mind, and things don't get pulled there. IWYW, — Aswad

Duskypearls -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/11/2012 7:39:31 AM)
What a pity. Understood.

theRose4U -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/11/2012 7:56:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls quote: ORIGINAL: theRose4U quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~ FR ~ Some people have mentioned a preference for a shotgun. I would consider maneuverability to be an issue with a long gun inside the house. However, Tromix Lead Delivery Systems has some very nice Saiga mods. For example, this 8" barrel folding-stock 12ga: Another poster expressed a preference for a revolver, and Taurus has a model that will fire either .45 LC or .410 shotgun shells: Personally I like a 1911, but that's me. For good measure, here's another cat story. When I lived on the 6th floor of a walk-up, a friend of mine realized he'd left something behind just as we hit the landing of the first floor. Being no fool I gave him my keys, wished him well, and sat down on the stoop to wait. It was a long wait, and it got to be too long. Finally I headed back up the stairs to see what the fuck. As I topped the 6th floor landing, the first thing I noticed was that my apartment door was wide open. Just as I was edging around for a look, I heard a blood-curdling growl. My friend was standing a few feet inside, frozen stiff and sweating bullets, afraid to move, said attitude being heartily encouraged by a crouching 18-pound Maine Coon Cat with it's hair standing up and its fangs bared. Smoke got a treat, and my friend declined ever to visit me again as long as he lived. K. OMG & ROFLMAO Saga overkill for house or conceal...hate to see what sized purse it would require Maine coon...those are dogs in cat fur suits!! Every one I've ever been around would come when called, sit, roll over & beg for treats & walk on leash in public. Will say they are smarter than many of the small breed dogs Agreed. That's what I LOVE about my air lite .357. It's so small it tucks into my waistband w/o being visibly detectable, and is so light, you forget it's there. It's not uncommon for me to feel for it once a day while carrying, just to make sure it's still there. It's actually become so much a part of me, it was a bit difficult to leave it home when being surgeried a few months ago. Good to know! Have been around weapons my whole life but personal reasons are making carry a better & better idea. Need discrete, light but I'm not willing to give up stopping power. Was with trainer yesterday & he re-iterated offer made of girls day at range, he was very concerned that you were ok. Thought first words out of his mouth were "I hope she killed the SOB"! Later "damn at least nick him & leave a blood trail to catch him. He points you shoot...period"

theRose4U -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/11/2012 8:05:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: veryspecificneed My thoughts are that the majority of people who break in don't give a flying fig if the owner has a gun. In fact, some view it as a challenge. Almost all of them care about noise and that's why most of them avoid houses with little yappie dogs, even more than silent but deadly bigger dogs. Had a guy try to rape me at gun point, when I was 16. He gave up because he couldn't get me to quit arguing with him. Had a lot of other experiences where someone else had a gun and I didn't. Ultimately, in most situations, it's not the gun that makes the difference, it's the threat of noise and the general attitude. They don't like staying around people who are noisy and aren't scared. All that being said, just for the sake of being truthful, I have nothing against people owning guns, in most circumstances. I just don't think they have to, and I don't trust any governments or organizations that try to get them not to. If they care that much that you be unarmed, they are planning something that they don't want you to shoot them for. Wow! Powerful first post My thoughts on this aren't a lack of fear (or resulting emotional damage) on your part as much as someone trying to hurt you is going to get more than they bargained for. My own experience has proven that I can AND WILL get a piece of someone trying to do me harm. Have told my family for years if die from something other than my own clumsyness force the poice to look closer...if at all possible I will get a piece of them!

Duskypearls -> RE: What would you have done in this situation? (11/11/2012 8:15:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: theRose4U quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls quote: ORIGINAL: theRose4U quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~ FR ~ Some people have mentioned a preference for a shotgun. I would consider maneuverability to be an issue with a long gun inside the house. However, Tromix Lead Delivery Systems has some very nice Saiga mods. For example, this 8" barrel folding-stock 12ga: Another poster expressed a preference for a revolver, and Taurus has a model that will fire either .45 LC or .410 shotgun shells: Personally I like a 1911, but that's me. For good measure, here's another cat story. When I lived on the 6th floor of a walk-up, a friend of mine realized he'd left something behind just as we hit the landing of the first floor. Being no fool I gave him my keys, wished him well, and sat down on the stoop to wait. It was a long wait, and it got to be too long. Finally I headed back up the stairs to see what the fuck. As I topped the 6th floor landing, the first thing I noticed was that my apartment door was wide open. Just as I was edging around for a look, I heard a blood-curdling growl. My friend was standing a few feet inside, frozen stiff and sweating bullets, afraid to move, said attitude being heartily encouraged by a crouching 18-pound Maine Coon Cat with it's hair standing up and its fangs bared. Smoke got a treat, and my friend declined ever to visit me again as long as he lived. K. OMG & ROFLMAO Saga overkill for house or conceal...hate to see what sized purse it would require Maine coon...those are dogs in cat fur suits!! Every one I've ever been around would come when called, sit, roll over & beg for treats & walk on leash in public. Will say they are smarter than many of the small breed dogs Agreed. That's what I LOVE about my air lite .357. It's so small it tucks into my waistband w/o being visibly detectable, and is so light, you forget it's there. It's not uncommon for me to feel for it once a day while carrying, just to make sure it's still there. It's actually become so much a part of me, it was a bit difficult to leave it home when being surgeried a few months ago. Good to know! Have been around weapons my whole life but personal reasons are making carry a better & better idea. Need discrete, light but I'm not willing to give up stopping power. Was with trainer yesterday & he re-iterated offer made of girls day at range, he was very concerned that you were ok. Thought first words out of his mouth were "I hope she killed the SOB"! Later "damn at least nick him & leave a blood trail to catch him. He points you shoot...period" Hey Rose, hope you find the weapon that suits you. That S&W.357 w/hollow points does have stopping power, but a semi-automatic has more rounds, gets them off waaaayy faster, and will be more accurate at a farther range. I understand you're trainer's reaction and comment, and throughout most of my life the very same words frequently came out of my mouth. But, that was before I was in THIS situation. We all like to think we know what we'll do, and I may never completely know or understand why it went down and ended the way it did, but in my book, it was the best possible outcome for me. Who knows if in another situation with different dynamics how I would react? I am not a highly trained shooter, and in fact, am a novice. I plan to rectify that VERY soon. I am also, as we speak, planning to up my firepower, and am looking at a Sig Sauer P229, with both 9mm and .40 caliber interchangeable barrels. [image]local://upfiles/1266908/DDEAC51B5EC44D56B39128E70B5DCC9C.jpg[/image]

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