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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 6:35:36 AM   
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I think it's hilarious watching how the US is in such a kerfuffle over 'Obamacare' (the most 'uni-healthcare-'lite' form imaginable) and how it affects pizza franchises, and also watching people drive around in their BMWs, Mercedes, Audis, etc., claim that the ruination of the country is at the hand of the unions, not the investment bankers, as they steer their way in their cars made by union, universal healthcare plan-covered workers.

I wonder if there is a clue to be had, there, concerning the economic troubles of the US.

Just wondering.


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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 6:41:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 6:56:23 AM   
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Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.



One might say "What's four cents? That's nothing!" Well, it's not nothing. It is four cents. One might say "Who the fuck can't afford four more cents? I mean, shit, these people drive BMWs?"

It's not about the four cents. It's just one more example of Liberals getting what they want. The salient point is that prices must rise, if even by four cents, because of Liberalism. And what's four cents today can easily be a dollar tomorrow.



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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 7:04:40 AM   
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anything more than five cents per pizza aint gonna go to his workers....

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 7:05:16 AM   
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And what's four cents today can easily be a dollar tomorrow.

But it's four cents now, which is a whole dime less than was claimed as an excuse to start laying people off.
Sure the problem isn't reactionaries insisting on getting what they want, whoever it inconveniences, rather than the evil liberals doing that?

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 7:06:15 AM   
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Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.



One might say "What's four cents? That's nothing!" Well, it's not nothing. It is four cents. One might say "Who the fuck can't afford four more cents? I mean, shit, these people drive BMWs?"

It's not about the four cents. It's just one more example of Liberals getting what they want. The salient point is that prices must rise, if even by four cents, because of Liberalism. And what's four cents today can easily be a dollar tomorrow.




Its an example of teabaggers taking from their country every advantage and then saying fuck you.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 7:08:28 AM   
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Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.



One might say "What's four cents? That's nothing!" Well, it's not nothing. It is four cents. One might say "Who the fuck can't afford four more cents? I mean, shit, these people drive BMWs?"

It's not about the four cents. It's just one more example of Liberals getting what they want. The salient point is that prices must rise, if even by four cents, because of Liberalism. And what's four cents today can easily be a dollar tomorrow.



God forbid we have a 0.4% increase in the price of a mediocre pizza to force some people to pay their own way instead of sucking the rest of who have insurance dry.

Fukin socialists

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 7:16:23 AM   
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Well the twinkies management is in good shape, raising their pay 80% while in bankruptcy.......

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 8:27:30 AM   
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Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.



One might say "What's four cents? That's nothing!" Well, it's not nothing. It is four cents. One might say "Who the fuck can't afford four more cents? I mean, shit, these people drive BMWs?"

It's not about the four cents. It's just one more example of Liberals getting what they want. The salient point is that prices must rise, if even by four cents, because of Liberalism. And what's four cents today can easily be a dollar tomorrow.





That is a good point, actually (except for the "Libbrulzz!" claptrap).

In econ classes, just as the agriculture market is used as example of 'perfectly competitive markets,' so is the pizza industry used to explain the concept of 'perfectly inelastic demand,' i.e., at a certain price, pizza buyers are not picky, they buy. Above a certain price point, they all go away at once.

BUT, neither economics nor any other evaluation can say EXACTLY what that particular price might be.

I guess we're about to find out, here.




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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 8:35:17 AM   
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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 9:20:28 AM   
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Geeeeez, Too bad Hostess didn't get the Liberal "business experts" in this forum to show them how to run a profitable business! You know, the experts that never ran a business and would never chance THEIR money on a business startup! But know all about 'cause they waited on tables or washed dishes between semesters! Then 18,500 Hostess employees would still have a job.


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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 9:23:24 AM   
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Geeeeez, Too bad Hostess didn't get the Liberal "business experts" in this forum to show them how to run a profitable business! You know, the experts that never ran a business and would never chance THEIR money on a business startup! But know all about 'cause they waited on tables or washed dishes between semesters! Then 18,500 Hostess employees would still have a job.



Business owner here. There are several on this thread. What's your excuse?

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 9:27:05 AM   
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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 9:53:44 AM   
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Geeeeez, Too bad Hostess didn't get the Liberal "business experts" in this forum to show them how to run a profitable business! You know, the experts that never ran a business and would never chance THEIR money on a business startup! But know all about 'cause they waited on tables or washed dishes between semesters! Then 18,500 Hostess employees would still have a job.




18,500 Employees arent out of a job because of people on this forum.

18,500 employees are out of a job because a corporation didnt handle its business.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 10:11:47 AM   
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Good business owners LEARN from the past, WORK for today and PLAN for the future.

What we are seeing is posturing, whining and histrionics. (At least I hope these rich guys aren't that fucking stupid)
The economy works in cycles. We have been very low and are slowly improving. It is still an "Employer's Market" as far as who one hires and how you treat them.
Within a few years, the economy will be back to where it was 10 years ago and an "Employee's Market" will exist. Then, instead of just taking a job to survive, good quality employees will once again be able to pick and choose from multiple suitors.
When this happens, those employers who have nickled and dimed their employees, cut hours to avoid paying benefits and other fun tricks so they could afford a new Rolls or a new lake house will see their key people leaving to go elsewhere. Employees are loyal to those who have shown loyalty to them.
Experienced wait staff won't want to work there. The only employees they will be able to attract will be newbies and those who were deemed undesirable by other employers. (bottom of the barrel)
Service levels will suffer. When service levels suffer, a business is not long for this world.

The people who are sitting in their 40,000 SF masnions making threats are NOT planning for the future.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 10:19:13 AM   
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Geeeeez, Too bad Hostess didn't get the Liberal "business experts" in this forum to show them how to run a profitable business! You know, the experts that never ran a business and would never chance THEIR money on a business startup! But know all about 'cause they waited on tables or washed dishes between semesters! Then 18,500 Hostess employees would still have a job.




18,500 Employees arent out of a job because of people on this forum.

18,500 employees are out of a job because a corporation didnt handle its business.


No, 18,500 are out of a job because Union demands killed the goose that laid the golden eggs!

Let me make this real simple. Lets assume we have a "flea market" with tables from different countries that have goods they produce, priced at the cost to make, along with a reasonable profit.

It would take about half an hour to discover the US table would not be selling much, and to add insult to inury, the people manning the US table would be buying goods from the other countries tables!

We live in a global market now. Get over it. Putting signs that say, "US goods cost more because we pay workers more so they can buy boats, motorcycles, and second homes," will not induce customers to buy our more expensive goods!

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 10:21:37 AM   
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We live in a global market now. Get over it. Putting signs that say, "US goods cost more because we pay workers more so they can buy boats, motorcycles, and second homes," will not induce customers to buy our more expensive goods!


ROFL

The only one's buying second homes are the executives. Finally! You are getting it!

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 10:22:55 AM   
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Experienced wait staff won't want to work there. The only employees they will be able to attract will be newbies and those whe were deemed undesirable by other employers. (bottom of the barrel)
Service levels will suffer. When service levels suffer, a business is not long for this world.

The people who are sitting in their 40,000 SF masnions making threats are NOT planning for the future.


Exactly.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 11:07:43 AM   
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Geeeeez, Too bad Hostess didn't get the Liberal "business experts" in this forum to show them how to run a profitable business! You know, the experts that never ran a business and would never chance THEIR money on a business startup! But know all about 'cause they waited on tables or washed dishes between semesters! Then 18,500 Hostess employees would still have a job.




18,500 Employees arent out of a job because of people on this forum.

18,500 employees are out of a job because a corporation didnt handle its business.


No, 18,500 are out of a job because Union demands killed the goose that laid the golden eggs!

Let me make this real simple. Lets assume we have a "flea market" with tables from different countries that have goods they produce, priced at the cost to make, along with a reasonable profit.

It would take about half an hour to discover the US table would not be selling much, and to add insult to inury, the people manning the US table would be buying goods from the other countries tables!

We live in a global market now. Get over it. Putting signs that say, "US goods cost more because we pay workers more so they can buy boats, motorcycles, and second homes," will not induce customers to buy our more expensive goods!



OK, we get it that the 8.5 million out of jobs do to the economic troubles brought about by the financial industry evicting millions of people from their homes escaped your notice. Got it.

But now the travails of the pizza industry trouble you deeply.

It also seems to have escaped your notice that every other 'developed' country has universal healthcare, the US being the sole laggard, there.

And funny you should mention the global market, where Germany kicks US hiney on a daily basis, even with a universal healthcare plan, mostly unionized workers, and unquestionably better paid workers.

They find customers to buy their superior, though more expensive goods.

The US can not continue to get by on being a 'trailer park nation,' an 'invasion nation,' and a 'trinket capitalism' economy and expect the rest of the world to buy our inferior goods, at whatever wage price.


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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 11:34:10 AM   
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Geeeeez, Too bad Hostess didn't get the Liberal "business experts" in this forum to show them how to run a profitable business!




True enough, that there are no billionaire liberals in this forum.

That said, there exist an abundance of people on this forum who utterly despise and completely obsess over the billionaires George Soros and Warren Buffett for being unimaginably financially successful ("business experts," one might say) and then committing the unpardonable sin of being liberal and being avowed Democratic voters. Even saying, "tax us more, this ain't fair to anybody."

Pisses you off, don't it?





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