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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 11:43:30 AM   
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"tax us more, this ain't fair to anybody."

Pisses you off, don't it?




If it ain't fair then stop whining and make a BIG donation to your favorite uncle, Uncle Sam.

BTW, have you cut your check yet today Edwynn?




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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 11:44:32 AM   
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Unless you're thrilled with paying 2 bucks more a meal.


You do realize their cost of meals isnt even 2 bucks.


You're saying it costs LESS than $2.00 to feed a homeless person a resturant quality meal complete with milk or soft drink? You couldn't do that on the STREET, let alone in an expensive overhead resturant. I think you are talking RAW costs and not TOTAL costs. To cook that 2.00 meal requires a 30,000 refrigeration and kitchen system, a $700,000 and up resturant building, silverware, plates, napkins, interest on the mortgage, permits, taxes, building maintanence, furniture, floor coverings, cleaning expenses, cooks, etc. etc. etc.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 12:08:38 PM   
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"tax us more, this ain't fair to anybody."

Pisses you off, don't it?




If it ain't fair then stop whining and make a BIG donation to your favorite uncle, Uncle Sam.

BTW, have you cut your check yet today Edwynn?





Right. After numerous posts whining about the election, Obamacare, etc, you think you can get away with accusing others thusly, since that is the only modus operandi you work in.

I don't know how you missed it (actually, I do), but I never claimed to be one of the billionaires, nor did I state that I personally wanted to pay more taxes, nor would anyone reading any two of my posts mistake me for a 'liberal.' But given your level of comprehension, any misunderstanding is understandable.

So let's run with whatever you vomited, and allow me to ask; Have you cut your check to Haliburton yet today? To ExxonMobil? To Con Agra? Archer Daniels Midland? Chevron? Monsanto? Citigroup? AIG, hence, Goldman Sachs?

Those "job creators"?

Speak up son, TELL the world about it!

But I'll tell you one thing, I can accept to some degree, that things are just the way they are, and not much to be done about it at the moment.

But I will also tell you that people such as yourself need to be wary of all this cheer-leading for the "job creators," who, as we have seen displayed in unassailable fashion, are actually job exporters and job destroyers.

You whining bitches, clamoring about "big government" when the fact is that deregulation has been on a tear for 30 years already, and we are near destitute as a result.

No surprise that you whine at the result of your own wish


All I can tell you is that you are welcome to STFU, at any time. The country could only benefit.





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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 12:11:39 PM   
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You're saying it costs LESS than $2.00 to feed a homeless person a resturant quality meal complete with milk or soft drink?


The food cost is less than 2 bucks. The cost of a soda is 5 cents.

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I think you are talking RAW costs and not TOTAL costs.


Duh... i never said anything else.

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To cook that 2.00 meal requires a 30,000 refrigeration and kitchen system, a $700,000 and up resturant building, silverware, plates, napkins, interest on the mortgage, permits, taxes, building maintanence, furniture, floor coverings, cleaning expenses, cooks, etc. etc. etc.


And corporations saturate the market with their "brand" burning people out on their food and wonder why they end up in heavy debt.

The point behind food costs is simple.... its the one thing a bad set of servers can fuck up and kill a business with. Enter orders wrong and back goes the food. Now that 2 dollar meal just cost 4... for the food.. and doubled the cost in cook wages. How long before a chain filled with sub-standard service staff closes a corporation at that rate?

Its far cheaper to pay that 14 cents than to pony up the extra 2 bucks a plate, no?

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 12:15:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me this is all posturing…they are only looking for reasons and ways to increase their bottom line. They may say they will not hire…but if they need employees to make money they will.

They may say they will pass along all costs to customers…but they need to compete with competitors and will keep the pricing to maximize profit.

They may say they will cut hours and employees but this opens new problems and worries in service they need to compete so they will only do this if it does not hurt profits.

So in the end they will go on as usual crying like spoiled babies that had their binky taken away. So ignore them.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 12:16:02 PM   
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Right. After numerous posts whining about the election, Obamacare, etc, you think you can get away with accusing others thusly, since that is the only modus operandi you work in.

So let's run with whatever you vomited, and allow me to ask; Have you cut your check to Haliburton yet today? To ExxonMobil? To Con Agra? Archer Daniels Midland? Monsanto? Citigroup? AIG, hence, Goldman Sachs?

Those "job creators"?

Speak up son, TELL the world about it!



Lets see. I gassed up just a few days ago. Shell IIRC. Went to the store and got some food too. Not sure if it's ADM or not. No matter. Someone got some from me. Even the State got some How about that!!!!!


Now, you're the one who posted about taxing more. And you dodged my question. Guess your answer would be no then. How supportive of your favorite uncle.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 12:43:46 PM   
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How supportive of your infantile mental process that response was.

If you bought anything this week, you likely bought something from a company owned by Buffett. Boycot Buffet, go ahead.


And by the way, do not mistake your lack of basic comprehension skills as my 'dodging the question.'

I did not bring up the issue of taxation, as such. I brought up the issue of fabulously successful business people raising the issue.


Your brain hurts too much already, I can tell.

That's it for now, for your own health.


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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 4:13:43 PM   
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Geeeeez, Too bad Hostess didn't get the Liberal "business experts" in this forum to show them how to run a profitable business! You know, the experts that never ran a business and would never chance THEIR money on a business startup! But know all about 'cause they waited on tables or washed dishes between semesters! Then 18,500 Hostess employees would still have a job.




I figure, the union has a great opportunity to buy Hostess out of bankruptcy, nationwide....89 locations (for pennies on the dollar) and pay these bakers 35 bucks an hour.

Unions know how to run a business (they told me so).

Let 'em.

And pay these workers some righteous wages based on their amazing skill sets.

Come on Hostess Unions....surely some of you are here on CM....build a future for these people you lose sleep over that they don't have jobs...come on...let's go....do the right thing.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 5:18:19 PM   
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Geeeeez, Too bad Hostess didn't get the Liberal "business experts" in this forum to show them how to run a profitable business! You know, the experts that never ran a business and would never chance THEIR money on a business startup! But know all about 'cause they waited on tables or washed dishes between semesters! Then 18,500 Hostess employees would still have a job.




18,500 Employees arent out of a job because of people on this forum.

18,500 employees are out of a job because a corporation didnt handle its business.


Yeah that's it.

The fact that they were willing to walk away from a mulibillion dollar, profitable business, just because pickets at 3 (of 89) singular locations proved too much for them.

I don't know....I'm thinking they spent 50 million or more on bankruptcy attorneys because they couldn't make money at the wages demanded of them may have played a part in the gig.

It's a gut feel.

Because, of course, walking away from a business that was profitable WOULD be fairly stoooopit.

And sumpin tells me....people that run a multibillion dollar business ain't 5th graders.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 5:19:28 PM   
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Geeeeez, Too bad Hostess didn't get the Liberal "business experts" in this forum to show them how to run a profitable business! You know, the experts that never ran a business and would never chance THEIR money on a business startup! But know all about 'cause they waited on tables or washed dishes between semesters! Then 18,500 Hostess employees would still have a job.




18,500 Employees arent out of a job because of people on this forum.

18,500 employees are out of a job because a corporation didnt handle its business.


No, 18,500 are out of a job because Union demands killed the goose that laid the golden eggs!

Let me make this real simple. Lets assume we have a "flea market" with tables from different countries that have goods they produce, priced at the cost to make, along with a reasonable profit.

It would take about half an hour to discover the US table would not be selling much, and to add insult to inury, the people manning the US table would be buying goods from the other countries tables!

We live in a global market now. Get over it. Putting signs that say, "US goods cost more because we pay workers more so they can buy boats, motorcycles, and second homes," will not induce customers to buy our more expensive goods!


STOP IT!!!!!!

That's mathematically LOGICAL!!!!!

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/16/2012 5:29:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Profitable? Second time in bankruptcy in 10 years does not make a company profitable.

More than a few observers say they know who to blame for the demise of the iconic company: the Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International union, which represents thousands of striking Hostess Brand workers who have refused to accept a new contract that would do everything from slash their salaries to their retirement benefits.

Time for a reality check.

Hostess has been sold at least three times since the 1980s, racking up debt and shedding profitable assets along the way with each successive merger. The company filed for bankruptcy in 2004, and again in 2011. Little thought was given to the line of products, which, frankly began to seem a bit dated in the age of the gourmet cupcake. (100 calorie Twinkie Bites? When was the last time you entered Magnolia Bakery and asked about the calorie count?)

As if all this were not enough, Hostess Brands management gave themselves several raises, all the while complaining that the workers who actually produced the products that made the firm what money it did earn were grossly overpaid relative to the company’s increasingly dismal financial position.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen/2012/11/16/who-killed-hostess-brands-and-twinkies/

By any stretch of the imagination this was far from a "profitable" corporation.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/17/2012 6:47:24 AM   
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STOP IT!!!!!!

That's mathematically LOGICAL!!!!!








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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/17/2012 6:49:03 AM   
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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/17/2012 5:27:19 PM   
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I am in business for myself and do quite fine, thank you very much. And when I did employ people, I paid them what they were legally entitled to be paid.



The government has established the legal entitlement of pay. It's called the minimum wage.

You seem to be in favor of limiting the maximum wage.


It's just a gut feel but....I'm fairly confident the feds haven't gone there yet.


I asked the question of you not the fed. If you find yourself unable to answer the question then please say so.


"The Fed" is the federal reserve...."The feds" is generally assumed to be an abbreviated form of describing the federal government.

The feds are the ones that determined (originally) the minimum wage and so long as a given state mandates minimum hourly pay at that rate or higher, they meet the standard.

The feds do not determine the maximum one can be paid.

Since you are clearly not informed enough to deduce the longer version of the meaning "I'm fairly confident the feds haven't gone there yet."....perhaps this expanded version will guide you in your new found understanding of minimum and maximum wage mandates, if any, where applicable.


Please answer the question I asked and quit posting mindnumbingly stupid forays into la la land.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/18/2012 4:34:12 AM   
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I am in business for myself and do quite fine, thank you very much. And when I did employ people, I paid them what they were legally entitled to be paid.



The government has established the legal entitlement of pay. It's called the minimum wage.

You seem to be in favor of limiting the maximum wage.


It's just a gut feel but....I'm fairly confident the feds haven't gone there yet.


I asked the question of you not the fed. If you find yourself unable to answer the question then please say so.


"The Fed" is the federal reserve...."The feds" is generally assumed to be an abbreviated form of describing the federal government.

The feds are the ones that determined (originally) the minimum wage and so long as a given state mandates minimum hourly pay at that rate or higher, they meet the standard.

The feds do not determine the maximum one can be paid.

Since you are clearly not informed enough to deduce the longer version of the meaning "I'm fairly confident the feds haven't gone there yet."....perhaps this expanded version will guide you in your new found understanding of minimum and maximum wage mandates, if any, where applicable.


Please answer the question I asked and quit posting mindnumbingly stupid forays into la la land.


Uhhhhmmmm....Thompson....I just did.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/19/2012 5:39:05 AM   
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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/19/2012 4:49:54 PM   
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"tax us more, this ain't fair to anybody."

Pisses you off, don't it?




If it ain't fair then stop whining and make a BIG donation to your favorite uncle, Uncle Sam.

BTW, have you cut your check yet today Edwynn?



I want to pay more.

I want to pay everything....I don't care if it breaks me like Hostess....I want to pay everything I can....and I'd like to even pay a smidge more, because....I'm a giver.

I actually don't care if it bankrupts my firms because I'm all in....are you?

Come on peeps....you're all in....right?

You want to make sure that the company you work for is solid and financially stable....that's what you're all about isn't it?

"Us"?

Surely you're all about all of us....right?

Not you...."us".

The collective "we"....right?

Right?

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/19/2012 4:53:36 PM   
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Are you in favor of limiting how much money someone may make? Why is that such a difficult question for you to answer?


Well, no, I'm not at all in favor of limiting how much a person can make (nor are the feds which was your original premise) and if I recall....that wasn't even remotely related to your original concept (but I digress...you always have a rather unique perspective).

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/19/2012 6:19:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

"tax us more, this ain't fair to anybody."

Pisses you off, don't it?




If it ain't fair then stop whining and make a BIG donation to your favorite uncle, Uncle Sam.

BTW, have you cut your check yet today Edwynn?



I want to pay more.

I want to pay everything....I don't care if it breaks me like Hostess....I want to pay everything I can....and I'd like to even pay a smidge more, because....I'm a giver.

I actually don't care if it bankrupts my firms because I'm all in....are you?

Come on peeps....you're all in....right?

You want to make sure that the company you work for is solid and financially stable....that's what you're all about isn't it?

"Us"?

Surely you're all about all of us....right?

Not you...."us".

The collective "we"....right?

Right?




I think that we have a clear case of miscomprehension bias, here.

As already explained (and already not comprehended by another, before you), I was not stating my own position on the matter, I was quoting (the actual quote marks would be the giveaway there, for those sufficiently educated enough to know what those are, and what they mean) what two particularly successful people had to say on the subject.






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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/20/2012 5:26:58 AM   
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If it ain't fair then stop whining and make a BIG donation to your favorite uncle, Uncle Sam.


Taxes are the dues you pay to belong to a pretty exclusive club called the u.s.a.
If you do not like paying your dues then turn in your membership card and go where you will be happier.

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