Edwynn
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Edwynn, you seem not to have understood my post, so it really makes it difficult to respond.
Whether I understood your post or not, I certainly recognized the puppetry of the conglomerate media displayed in the post.
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You claimed that having bailed out the financial industry that the government had to bail out the auto industry.
I claimed no such thing, nor would anyone who grasped what I actually said have thought I said such a thing.
Those were two separate issues. Whatever one's opinion on either, cause/effect/remedy should not be confused, as they apparently are in your sector.
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I disagree and my prior post explained why.
Yes you did, and it being that I am more well acquainted with the situation from both an educational and investigation standpoint, I dislike false notions being strewn about on this matter, and I don't hesitate to dispel this among many other media-spread myths and other myriad propaganda. In Germany (and some other countries) when society decides what they want, they tell industry to do it. In the US, when corporations decide what they want, they tell the government to do it. As we can see, the discrepancy in in the US' progress vs. other countries' progress seems to have a striking correlation to who's driving the bus, here.
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You claim that we cannot afford increased unemployment benefits.
I claimed no such thing, nor would anyone who grasped what I actually said have so badly misinterpreted it.
The US 'couldn't afford' the two major invasions, we couldn't afford the two major tax breaks given to the .1% in 2002-03, we couldn't afford the repercussions of the massive deregulation ongoing since the '80s, etc.
But we did it anyway. That's what you can do when you're the biggest badass and no one can stop you.
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I disagree. What we cannot afford is propping up industries, like the gasoline auto industry, that need to die.
Much as you or I might be displeased with the current 'gasoline auto industry,' they are the stepping stone in place to move us eventually to the 'non-gasoline auto industry.'
Or perhaps you've missed out on the hybrids, the all-electric vehicles, etc. Or perhaps you think that the same twits who want 'the gasoline auto industry' to die have a plan in place to build a public transport system to replace it in a couple of years or so. This ain't Europe, and even they still have an auto industry, even if a few more diesel burners, and fewer overall.
I like what Tesla Motors is doing, I really do, but it will take Tesla AND the industry in place to eventually get us to where we need to be, i.e., to making more efficient, less environmentally damaging autos. Of course the industry is dragging its feet, and if you had a clue about how businesses worked, especially in this instance, large manufacturing industries where in the US you're all on your own regarding research and development costs, then you would understand why this would be the case.
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Cost effectiveness is something that needs to be looked at in a longer time frame that what you are looking at. I disagree fundamentally with your notion of cost effectiveness as you are looking at a very short time frame.
I think that it is apparent that you have no idea what time frame I was speaking of, that you have no sense of the time frame regarding what is being discussed, much less that regulation, or lack thereof, being the fundamental cause of our current troubles, 'time frame' is non-germane to the issue.
Aside that, I think that your ignorance of what is involved here is testimony to your short sightedness.
I did not 'claim' that "because we bailed out the banks, we should bail out everybody else."
What I and others having better (and more knowledgeable) insight into the issue are saying is that other sectors of business, and especially society as a whole, should not have had to suffer as badly as they have from result of the indiscretions, nay, outright gross misconduct, of financial miscreants.
Here's the news: people cannot buy as many cars, refrigerators, blenders, houses, pants and skirts, or go to the restaurant and theater, as much as they could 8 years ago. Perhaps you think that all the businesses providing those products and services are 'dying industries' since the financial industry did their best to kill off every other industry. Of course they didn't mean to do that, as intent. But they told the government; "no, we don't need regulation, honest, we can regulate ourselves real good, honest ..."
And you expect all the rest of society to pay for that, right?
If the government cannot or will not accept responsibility for the error of their deregulatory ways, as you are advocating so vociferously that they do, then this society is lost.
< Message edited by Edwynn -- 11/16/2012 3:00:26 AM >
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