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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 4:35:20 PM   
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Doesn't sound like your Are you going to just gradually work your way to an empty building? bullshit.




I'll type slowly.

If you hire no new workers and people leave, you will have fewer and fewer employees. replacement workers are. by definition, new unless you had them stored in a warehouse someplace waiting for their battery backs.
The guy is blustering and unfortunately there are a lot of folk stupid enough to believe it.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 4:36:00 PM   
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So how did you feel about the bailout of GM? What about the money given to Solyandra an Light Squared?


I don't feel taxpayers should have to bail out private companies. We need to restructure the economy. That includes the auto industry. There are no sacred cows. True free market people should understand that businesses fail routinely, and that entire industries disappear over time to be replaced by other things. We need to stop bailing out business and let the economy go through the sometimes painful process of restructuring.

There are no guarantees in business. Period. Here are some examples of shrinking or dying industries: Photo finishing (because photography has gone digital), appliance repair (because it is often cheaper to replace appliances than repair them), DVD rentals, hardware manufacturing and shoes and women's apparel (cheaper imports). There are fewer people employed in these industries today in the U.S. than at other times in the past. So what? Are we going to force people to go back to 35mm cameras just to prop up the photo finishing industry?

Business are born, grow and die. That is the business cycle.

The same right wingers who won't support education or health care are happy to stand in line for their bailout at taxpayer expense when they need it. How very interesting.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 4:47:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's my problem --- The CEOs and Presidents of these companies live in Muli-Million Dollar Houses. They are firing people because it'll take them another month to get that nice and shiny car, or that 5th house for that 2nd cousin.

To sit here and say "Well, they need to cut costs!!!" is bullshit!

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 4:48:35 PM   
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I'll type slowly.

If you hire no new workers and people leave, you will have fewer and fewer employees. replacement workers are. by definition, new unless you had them stored in a warehouse someplace waiting for their battery backs.



ROFLMFAO... Only you would parse what he said that way. Just goes to show, leftists have a wiring problem.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 4:52:20 PM   
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Here's my problem --- The CEOs and Presidents of these companies live in Muli-Million Dollar Houses. They are firing people because it'll take them another month to get that nice and shiny car, or that 5th house for that 2nd cousin.

To sit here and say "Well, they need to cut costs!!!" is bullshit!



Interesting. You say that as if you actually KNOW that.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 5:07:30 PM   
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He's not the only one.... this what American's voted for.

Utah company blames Pres. Obama for 102 workers laid off

Companies plan massive layoffs as Obamacare becomes reality

After Obama reelection, Murray Energy CEO reads prayer, announces layoffs



Agreed..... Obama is at fault because natural gas suppliers can deliver cheaper than coal. Coal companies need to make guaranteed profits and taxes should be raised to subsidise them.

Just trying to help bro.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 5:10:31 PM   
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Here's my problem --- The CEOs and Presidents of these companies live in Muli-Million Dollar Houses. They are firing people because it'll take them another month to get that nice and shiny car, or that 5th house for that 2nd cousin.

To sit here and say "Well, they need to cut costs!!!" is bullshit!



I don't know anyone who becomes a business owner for the sake of the employee.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 5:16:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		True. I do know business owners who had the attitude of "fuck the employees, its all about me" who didnt last long as successful business owners.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 5:22:40 PM   
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True. I do know business owners who had the attitude of "fuck the employees, its all about me" who didnt last long as successful business owners.



That's not what I said. The employees are secondary. They aren't why the business was started in the first place. Employees are a means to an end (get a job done that the employer either can't or doesn't want to do).

Should employees be treated decently? Yes, but what that looks like will change from company to company.

I used to work for an India-based company that told one of their ex-pats (who was here in the US) in front of other US employees, that she had to get home to India (they were no longer going to sponsor her visa here in the US) so that she could find a husband and get married. To them, that was treating her well (not so much to us).

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 5:23:29 PM   
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So how did you feel about the bailout of GM? What about the money given to Solyandra an Light Squared?


I don't feel taxpayers should have to bail out private companies. We need to restructure the economy. That includes the auto industry. There are no sacred cows. True free market people should understand that businesses fail routinely, and that entire industries disappear over time to be replaced by other things. We need to stop bailing out business and let the economy go through the sometimes painful process of restructuring.

There are no guarantees in business. Period. Here are some examples of shrinking or dying industries: Photo finishing (because photography has gone digital), appliance repair (because it is often cheaper to replace appliances than repair them), DVD rentals, hardware manufacturing and shoes and women's apparel (cheaper imports). There are fewer people employed in these industries today in the U.S. than at other times in the past. So what? Are we going to force people to go back to 35mm cameras just to prop up the photo finishing industry?

Business are born, grow and die. That is the business cycle.

The same right wingers who won't support education or health care are happy to stand in line for their bailout at taxpayer expense when they need it. How very interesting.

Good on you!

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 5:25:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		And yet if another female brought up discrimination charges against that company, that would certainly apply. Companies are in the business to make money. Treating employees like second hand cast offs isnt the way to do that. Eventually it bits the company in the ass.. hard.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 5:52:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do want to make one thing clear about my posts on this thread. For this business owner to fire employees and claim it is over the outcome of the election and things like healthcare is wrong.

If his business can't afford to have as many employees, he can't afford to have as many employees - but that is a business issue and not what he is trying to make it into.

The notion that a business person would try to punish employees in this way is beyond nasty. Either his business is succeeding or it's not. But using healthcare coverage and the election results to mask a failing business is way, way low.


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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 5:56:57 PM   
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It's AMAZING how you leftists find it so easy to tell others how they should run their businesses. No one should be surprised though, as you also so easily tell others how their money should be spent and even help them do it


I am in business for myself and do quite fine, thank you very much. And when I did employ people, I paid them what they were legally entitled to be paid. That's the way business is supposed to work. I can't help the fact that the right wing thinks they should be able to do ILLEGAL or IMMORAL things. Oh right, that's how we ended up with Bernie Madoff, the bank bailout, and the mortgage crisis. Yeah, business people seem to know just what they're doing and don't need to be regulated or told what to do...give me a break.



Illegal and Immoral things? That's pretty funny considering how much of BDSM would be considered illegal and immoral by the majority of the country. But just for laughs please tell me what law requires a company to hire more people?

Or maybe you can explain why you think someone who says they are not going to be able to afford to hire more people actually means he hopes his business will go under.

Now the ones who got fired for voting for the wrong man should have a case, but they would have to prove that was why. I hope they do, but I won't hold my breath.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 6:04:31 PM   
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Illegal and Immoral things? That's pretty funny considering how much of BDSM would be considered illegal and immoral by the majority of the country. But just for laughs please tell me what law requires a company to hire more people?


I didnt see her say it was illegal not to hire more people.

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Now the ones who got fired for voting for the wrong man should have a case, but they would have to prove that was why. I hope they do, but I won't hold my breath.


Since he is on public record as saying that is why, it would require him to prove that is not the reason.


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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 6:15:12 PM   
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Illegal and Immoral things? That's pretty funny considering how much of BDSM would be considered illegal and immoral by the majority of the country. But just for laughs please tell me what law requires a company to hire more people?



Nowhere was I referring to hiring more people. Where did I say that.

Just to make it clearer -

It is ILLEGAL to fire someone solely for having voted for a particular party in an election.

There is a line of cases starting with Elrod v. Burns in 1976 where the Supreme Court ruled that you cannot fire a public employee based on their party affiliation unless the employee occupies a policy making position (in that case, a sheriff sought to fire deputies who belonged to the opposite political party).

For private situations, there is also a Federal statute, 42 USC 1985(3), that prohibits conspiracies to deprive persons of equal rights and privileges that has been raised in various contexts. The statute, which is a Reconstruction era law, is broadly drafted to correct some of the abuses that arose after the Civil War for blacks trying to exercise their rights. However, it addresses "any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the laws" which could include party affiliation, or a particular political viewpoint. The "class" must be one that is sufficiently defined, so it is more likely to apply to party affiliation, such as Democrat, rather than an amorphous group, such as liberal.

There are also state laws, for example, in California, Labor Code 1101 and 1102 prohibit employers from forbidding, directing, controlling, terminating or threatening to terminate an employee based on politics. This was further expanded on in Ali v. LA Focus Publication (2003) 112 CA4th 1477.

And I personally consider it an IMMORAL act to exploit employees. (This has nothing to do with religion. This has to do with being a decent human being.)

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 7:56:57 PM   
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I'll type slowly.

If you hire no new workers and people leave, you will have fewer and fewer employees. replacement workers are. by definition, new unless you had them stored in a warehouse someplace waiting for their battery backs.



ROFLMFAO... Only you would parse what he said that way. Just goes to show, leftists have a wiring problem.

So, replacement workers aren't new workers? What color is the sky where you live?

The restaurant business has one of the highest turnover rates is one of the most competitive of any industry. You can't wait until you need people to decide to hire someone and train them. You have to be proactive. If you aren't, you end up with a shortage of trained staff and your service suffers. If your service suffers, you end up with an empty building that has a "For Rent" sign on the door.

I thought you weren't totally ignorant about business. I guess I was wrong.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 8:22:41 PM   
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So how did you feel about the bailout of GM? What about the money given to Solyandra an Light Squared?

I don't feel taxpayers should have to bail out private companies. We need to restructure the economy. That includes the auto industry. There are no sacred cows. True free market people should understand that businesses fail routinely, and that entire industries disappear over time to be replaced by other things. We need to stop bailing out business and let the economy go through the sometimes painful process of restructuring.
There are no guarantees in business. Period. Here are some examples of shrinking or dying industries: Photo finishing (because photography has gone digital), appliance repair (because it is often cheaper to replace appliances than repair them), DVD rentals, hardware manufacturing and shoes and women's apparel (cheaper imports). There are fewer people employed in these industries today in the U.S. than at other times in the past. So what? Are we going to force people to go back to 35mm cameras just to prop up the photo finishing industry?
Business are born, grow and die. That is the business cycle.
The same right wingers who won't support education or health care are happy to stand in line for their bailout at taxpayer expense when they need it. How very interesting.


Okay, now I'm confused. Did you vote for Obama? One of his big successes he touted as reason for people to re-elect him was the auto bailout.

Technology can be such a bitch to business. That is, if a business can't see changes coming and don't have the flexibility to change and save their own business. Yanno, we'd still probably be fighting on horses and using bayonets if we didn't embrace tech....

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 8:29:33 PM   
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So how did you feel about the bailout of GM? What about the money given to Solyandra an Light Squared?

I don't feel taxpayers should have to bail out private companies. We need to restructure the economy. That includes the auto industry. There are no sacred cows. True free market people should understand that businesses fail routinely, and that entire industries disappear over time to be replaced by other things. We need to stop bailing out business and let the economy go through the sometimes painful process of restructuring.
There are no guarantees in business. Period. Here are some examples of shrinking or dying industries: Photo finishing (because photography has gone digital), appliance repair (because it is often cheaper to replace appliances than repair them), DVD rentals, hardware manufacturing and shoes and women's apparel (cheaper imports). There are fewer people employed in these industries today in the U.S. than at other times in the past. So what? Are we going to force people to go back to 35mm cameras just to prop up the photo finishing industry?
Business are born, grow and die. That is the business cycle.
The same right wingers who won't support education or health care are happy to stand in line for their bailout at taxpayer expense when they need it. How very interesting.


Okay, now I'm confused. Did you vote for Obama? One of his big successes he touted as reason for people to re-elect him was the auto bailout.

Technology can be such a bitch to business. That is, if a business can't see changes coming and don't have the flexibility to change and save their own business. Yanno, we'd still probably be fighting on horses and using bayonets if we didn't embrace tech....

The auto bailout originated with George W. Bush....

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 9:47:13 PM   
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So how did you feel about the bailout of GM? What about the money given to Solyandra an Light Squared?

I don't feel taxpayers should have to bail out private companies. We need to restructure the economy. That includes the auto industry. There are no sacred cows. True free market people should understand that businesses fail routinely, and that entire industries disappear over time to be replaced by other things. We need to stop bailing out business and let the economy go through the sometimes painful process of restructuring.
There are no guarantees in business. Period. Here are some examples of shrinking or dying industries: Photo finishing (because photography has gone digital), appliance repair (because it is often cheaper to replace appliances than repair them), DVD rentals, hardware manufacturing and shoes and women's apparel (cheaper imports). There are fewer people employed in these industries today in the U.S. than at other times in the past. So what? Are we going to force people to go back to 35mm cameras just to prop up the photo finishing industry?
Business are born, grow and die. That is the business cycle.
The same right wingers who won't support education or health care are happy to stand in line for their bailout at taxpayer expense when they need it. How very interesting.


Okay, now I'm confused. Did you vote for Obama? One of his big successes he touted as reason for people to re-elect him was the auto bailout.

Technology can be such a bitch to business. That is, if a business can't see changes coming and don't have the flexibility to change and save their own business. Yanno, we'd still probably be fighting on horses and using bayonets if we didn't embrace tech....

We vote by secret ballot. It is improper to ask another how they voted

ftp's answer, to me reads as consistant in her views about government spending on corporations. None.

People have different reasons for why they vote the way they do. My question was not intened as a gotcha question.

As far as spending on schools goes, I'll bet we disagree on how to deal with it. But, hey, that is what people do.

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RE: How low will major companies go? - 11/10/2012 10:13:27 PM   
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Here's my problem --- The CEOs and Presidents of these companies live in Muli-Million Dollar Houses. They are firing people because it'll take them another month to get that nice and shiny car, or that 5th house for that 2nd cousin.

To sit here and say "Well, they need to cut costs!!!" is bullshit!



Interesting. You say that as if you actually KNOW that.


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/11/09/1173181/applebees-ceo-obamacare/?mobile=nc

News freakin' Flash --- I grew up, and spent most on my life on Long Island with a stint in London. I spent my whole life around these people. Hell, I AM one of these people. Don't sit here and act like you know how this works. I've seen both sides of the coin. I've been with the filthy rich, and I've been with those less fortunate, so I know how both sides live.
You may not have a clue, living in North Carolina, but I do. I've been in both positions, and I can tell you they don't "HAVE" to cut back anything. Firing people for voting for Obama? Not only morally wrong, but I'm fairly certain it's illegal. A Hiring Freeze? Both stupid and illogical. I am going to be counting the days until they'll have to back down from that simply because they aren't willing to give hours to employees, but they aren't willing to hire new people? I may use Vagina Logic but that seems pretty counter productive to me when people are quitting left and right because they are getting their hours cut!

This is the CEO of a huge company like that throwing a tantrum because he doesn't want to pay the same rates as the rest of society.




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