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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/12/2012 7:32:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey tazz,are you getting as sick and tired as I am of a certain poster who comes in here once and awhile,claiming to find partisanship so distasteful...all the while being as fucking partisan as anyone else who graces these pages
Makes you want to scream doesn't it ?
Makes you want to point out that a partisan is someone who has actually chosen a side and has the courage of that conviction...and that for every partisan on the left their is an equally voracious partisan on the right.


By the way toyprincess...great post,absolutely great

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/12/2012 7:34:13 PM   
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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/12/2012 7:41:36 PM   
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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/12/2012 7:52:50 PM   
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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/12/2012 8:18:24 PM   
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Great post but I think you are wasting your time trying to explain it. Some of the posters here are happy with their narrow minded lives and can't understand anything else.


You're right, of course, but that's the only reason I come here... to waste time. It works very well.

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/12/2012 8:23:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good point Treasure...

Here`s one AWF voter that doesn`t fit the bill...


Cops: Ariz. woman runs over husband for not voting  

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/12/2012 9:19:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry... you'll find the "I have a law degree" claim doesn't carry much weight with me. Some of the biggest idiots I know are attorneys. Sad thing is that many of them think three years of law school on top of a bachelors degree in basket weaving makes them an expert on every type of law.

And amazing as it sounds, you'd be surprised at how many self-proclaimed lawyers we have rattling around here in the CM forums.

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/12/2012 11:52:23 PM   
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It appears white married women were most likely to vote for Romney.

It appears that all married people are more likely to vote for Romney than unmarried people.

I suspect that married people are more affluent and more likely to have a job than single people. I just now googled that Romney is a republican. So that is the pattern.


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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/13/2012 12:57:27 AM   
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What's Up with White Women? They Voted for Romney, Too

...Here are some figures from this year’s exit poll, which the Edison Research company conducts for a consortium of media companies, and from previous ones. In 2004, Bush got fifty-five per cent of the white female vote, and Kerry got forty-four per cent—a “reverse gender gap” (one working in the G.O.P.’s favor) of eleven points. In 2008, McCain got fifty-three per cent of the white female vote, and Obama got forty-six per cent—a gap of seven points. Compared to four years earlier, the reverse gender gap in this demographic had decreased by four points, indicating that the Democrats were making progress in attracting the votes of white women. But this year, that trend turned around again. Far from narrowing further, the reverse gender gap among white women widened to fourteen points. Romney got fifty-six per cent of the white female vote; Obama got just forty-two per cent.

When I first saw these figures, I was surprised, too. How could Obama have done so poorly among white women and yet carried the overall female vote by eleven points—fifty-five per cent to forty-four per cent? The answer is that white females make up a smaller proportion of the overall electorate than they used to—thirty-eight per cent in 2012 compared to forty-one per cent in 2004—and Obama racked up enormous majorities among non-white women, who are growing in numbers. Ninety-six per cent of black women voted for Obama; seventy-six per cent of Hispanic women voted for him; and so did sixty-six per cent of women of other races, including Asians. Since about one in six voters is now a non-white woman, those votes were enough to cancel out the reverse gender gap among white women and turn the female vote as a whole into one of the key elements of Obama’s victory.

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/11/why-white-women-voted-for-romney.html#ixzz2C289DPl0






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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/13/2012 2:04:27 AM   
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Sorry... you'll find the "I have a law degree" claim doesn't carry much weight with me. Some of the biggest idiots I know are attorneys. Sad thing is that many of them think three years of law school on top of a bachelors degree in basket weaving makes them an expert on every type of law.

And amazing as it sounds, you'd be surprised at how many self-proclaimed lawyers we have rattling around here in the CM forums.


Surely that applies to any claim about ones employment, yours or mine included ?

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/13/2012 2:41:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting chart there...

88% of the men and 96% of black women voted for Barry-O. I see racism is alive and well among blacks.

What's really interesting is the Latino vote. 63% for men and 75% for women. I'm pretty sure the Dream Act and immigration ranked high on their reasons to vote as they did. They thought that they might get something out of another four years of hype and blame.

Another interesting demographic is the gay vote. I see it's not ranked here, but let's not kid ourselves. Obama got the gay vote.

Why is all of this interesting? All three of these groups have been shit on by The Bamster during the 1st four years in some way or another, and he will probably abandon them in the next four.

First, he "evolved" in support of gay marriage but didn't actually do anything substantial.

Immigration reform will be entertaining to say the least, but I'm not sure he's even interested in it now that he doesn't need the La Raza vote anymore. Ironically, even HuffPo thinks Obama is not up to the task, even suggesting that the right man for the job is none other than George Bush.

As for blacks... I have yet to hear any blacks seriously suggest that Obama has done enough for them. Statistically, blacks are worse off now than they were 4 years ago but they voted overwhelmingly for the guy who screwed them for 4 years. I suspect it will only go downhill from here, but that's what happens when you vote based on skin color instead of qualifications.

The Liar in Chief has already "evolved" again on the gay marriage issue, stating that he will not pursue it in his second term. I suspect that blacks and Latinos will not get much joy from the Obama redux either. I bet he'll be too busy partying with the 1%ers in Hollywood and working on his golf swing to be bothered.

Anyway, sorry for the rant there. Great chart!

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/13/2012 5:29:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		A shell-shocked Republican party is showing signs of realizing that its stance on immigration leads towards long-term perpetual losses. Some Republican stalwarts believe their anti-immigration policies are right, and the only problem is that their language is a bit overheated, so that promising "full legal normalization (just short of citizenship)" will be good enough.

Other severe conservatives, like Sean Hannity, now claim they have "evolved" to see that there could be a pathway to citizenship after all.



evolved!

Thank you for the first laugh of the day!

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/13/2012 6:48:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Sorry... you'll find the "I have a law degree" claim doesn't carry much weight with me. Some of the biggest idiots I know are attorneys. Sad thing is that many of them think three years of law school on top of a bachelors degree in basket weaving makes them an expert on every type of law.

And amazing as it sounds, you'd be surprised at how many self-proclaimed lawyers we have rattling around here in the CM forums.


Surely that applies to any claim about ones employment, yours or mine included ?


Thank you, you beat me to the response.

I was only pointing out the law degree because we were discussing a particular aspect of law that Treasure seems to thinks she understands better than any other person because of her human resources background. Well then, she is entitled to her opinion, but as she and many other right wingers seem to not understand the math behind this election, I am dubious about their understanding of certain basic laws in this country. Not holding my breath on being able to get through to people like that, but then again, that is why the election results are the way the are (the main point about this post).

And Treasure, the only reason I was debating equal pay with you is that you never read my OP carefully. You misunderstood "most" and you never read that I referenced "equal pay" (because you then criticized me for not taking into account economic issues). You might want to read an OP a little more carefully before just responding in knee-jerk fashion. Most people here seem to understand what I'm driving at with this post. And we are all just trying to gain a deeper understanding of who votes for Romney. And I am so very glad you responded to my thread. You prove everything I have ever thought about the right wing. Thanks again Treasure! Couldn't have done it without your help.

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/13/2012 6:52:59 AM   
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Interesting chart there...

88% of the men and 96% of black women voted for Barry-O. I see racism is alive and well among blacks.



SD - this has been repeatedly pointed out on other threads. So much so, I'm really getting tired of repeating it. Since the 40s, a majority of blacks (between 70-94%) have historically voted for Democrats. The peak being Lyndon Johnson's election in '64 (In other words a white Democratic candidate received more black vote than even Obama). And, historically, a majority of whites have voted Republican. This is less about the race of the candidates as which party people feel more aligned with.

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/13/2012 3:21:32 PM   
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Surely that applies to any claim about ones employment, yours or mine included ?


Absolutely. Which is one of the many reasons why comments here are for entertainment purposes only. Anyone letting the buzz get to them one way or another is delusional.

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A shell-shocked Republican party is showing signs of realizing that its stance on immigration leads towards long-term perpetual losses.


And some Republicans have felt all along that the "official" Republican stance on immigration is wrong. *coughGingrichcough*

Where does it leave a voter when neither party's platforms or candidates represent their views?

Picking the lesser of two evils and hoping that a balanced system will keep any party from making unilateral and ill-considered decisions.

Yay for checks, balances, and three branches of government!

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

And Treasure, the only reason I was debating equal pay with you is that you never read my OP carefully. You misunderstood "most" and you never read that I referenced "equal pay" (because you then criticized me for not taking into account economic issues). You might want to read an OP a little more carefully before just responding in knee-jerk fashion. Most people here seem to understand what I'm driving at with this post. And we are all just trying to gain a deeper understanding of who votes for Romney. And I am so very glad you responded to my thread. You prove everything I have ever thought about the right wing. Thanks again Treasure! Couldn't have done it without your help.


As you failed to understand any of my responses, I'm not surprised.

Repeatedly I've said that the issues you mentioned are valid but were not the only issues or the most important issues or the overriding issues with regard to making my choice. Whether you agree with that or not, is not my problem. Whether you understand that, is also not my problem. I'm not commenting to justify myself or attempt to persuade you or anyone else. I shared information and opinion.

However, if it makes you feel happy about yourself and confirms your narrow view of the world, so be it. Pat yourself on the back and have a good time.

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/14/2012 7:36:29 AM   
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However, if it makes you feel happy about yourself and confirms your narrow view of the world, so be it. Pat yourself on the back and have a good time.



Trust me I am. I'm elated with the election results. And my narrow view of the world, as you put it, is what a majority of Americans believe. You might want to rethink your definition of "narrow". It seems to be as accurate as your definition of "most".


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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/14/2012 7:52:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Was Romney right that women married to conservative men just follow their husband's vote??

i am a single white woman who voted for Romney- no husband to influence me. Master voted for the Democrat.
My answer to your question is NO.

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/14/2012 8:03:08 AM   
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However, if it makes you feel happy about yourself and confirms your narrow view of the world, so be it. Pat yourself on the back and have a good time.



Trust me I am. I'm elated with the election results. And my narrow view of the world, as you put it, is what a majority of Americans believe. You might want to rethink your definition of "narrow". It seems to be as accurate as your definition of "most".


I like your "narrow" view of the world.....it jibes with my own

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/14/2012 2:12:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Was Romney right that women married to conservative men just follow their husband's vote??

i am a single white woman who voted for Romney- no husband to influence me. Master voted for the Democrat.
My answer to your question is NO.


That's all well and good. But just to be clear, the question was do women married to conservative men follow their husband's vote. In other words when the man votes Republican, does the woman follow suit?

As I understand you, your Master voted for the Democrat. I wasn't asking about that situation, but I appreciate your answering. To be honest I would not expect anything different i.e., if a husband votes Democrat, I would not expect women to necessarily follow their husband's vote. So your vote makes sense to me. But the reverse? If a husband votes Republican I think it is much more likely that his wife also votes Republican.

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RE: The White Female Vote in America - 11/14/2012 3:17:20 PM   
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You appear to be assuming that those things that are of interest to you, are of enough interest to other woman that they override any other factors that might be used to make a decision.

This.

In my opinion ANY candidate who is "not me" is going to represent some mix of stuff I agree with and disagree with. This year I voted green because Jill Stein was the only candidate taking an occupy stance. I instructed Carol to vote democratic because as much as I believe the occupy issues are critical, for her being a female I felt that issues of personal sovereignty over her own body were even more critical. So there's a perfect example of picking thing A I disliked in order to get thing B I did like.

I see no reason why someone like Treasure might make a similar stance. Sure there's some crazy anti-female rhetoric going on in the Republican party right now. But it's perfectly reasonable to say something like, "I'm choosing to place the nation's benefit over my own." Let us deal with fiscal responsibility first and then we'll worry about personal sovereignty. It's just a different set of priorities than mine.

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