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fucktoyprincess -> The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 12:43:59 PM)

I just want to point something out about the election results that many of our threads seem to be overlooking.

Romney got 56% of the white female vote. (And thus received a majority of both the white male and white female vote).

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/11/why-white-women-voted-for-romney.html

In other words, when we say women voted overwhelmingly in favor of Obama and then draw conclusions about the GOP platform, we need to be careful. Because a majority of non-white women voted that way. But a majority of white women voted for Romney.

I assume from this that 56% of white women voters are some combination of the following: conservative, anti-contraception, anti-abortion, oblivious to the "rape" statements, too concerned about the economy to worry about their individual rights (including equal pay) or just too bloody well rich to care about other people. (?)

I understand these numbers are the reality of the exit polls. But I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this one. It certainly does not reflect the way most of the white women I know think (and they come from all over the country including the red states). Someone help me understand this. Was Romney right that women married to conservative men just follow their husband's vote?? [&:]




LafayetteLady -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 12:58:05 PM)

Don't forget how statistics are spun.   When it says "56%" of the white women, they mean of the white women who voted.  So to really determine what that means, you need to know:

1.   Exactly how many "white women" there are in the country
2.   How many of those are qualified (age, citizen status) to vote
3.   How many of those "white women" who were "qualified" actually voted.

Those things could seriously change what "56%" actually means.




Baroana -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 1:21:30 PM)

I can absolutely believe that 56% of voting white women chose Romney. Given the pathetic voter turnout in this country, it's a wonder that any progressive candidate ever gets elected.

When a fellow woman tells me she does not vote, I say rent "Iron Jawed Angels." You'll never miss an election again.




OsideGirl -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 1:39:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


I assume from this that 56% of white women voters are some combination of the following: conservative, anti-contraception, anti-abortion, oblivious to the "rape" statements, too concerned about the economy to worry about their individual rights (including equal pay) or just too bloody well rich to care about other people. (?)


You left one out: racist.

I spent a brief amount of time on a crafting website....you'd be surprised at some of the comments regarding the fact that Obama is black or has what they consider a Muslim name.




absolutchocolat -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 1:45:30 PM)

thanks for pointing that out.

another thing to note, according to ABC news, only 57.5% of eligible voters turned out to vote last week, lower than the turnout in 2008 and 2004. (that answers #2)

The group estimated 126 million people voted in the election, where President Barack Obama defeated GOP nominee Mitt Romney. That means 93 million eligible citizens did not cast ballots.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/election-results-2012-voter-turnout-lower-than-2008-and-2004-report-says




fucktoyprincess -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 1:59:29 PM)

FR

Since the 1940s voter turnout for presidential elections has always been between around 50-65%. So this is nothing new. But elections get analyzed by those who voted not those who didn't. And as only the people who vote decide elections, it seems irrelevant to worry about those not voting, because their opinion is not actually affecting who gets elected.(because at the end of the day the parties are only ever competing for those who bother to vote).

In other words, for the the past 70 years, 50-65% of the population decided who won the presidency. This will likely continue.

In this year, where there was so much anti-woman rhetoric from the GOP, the fact that of the white women who bothered to vote, 56% still voted GOP is somewhat alarming (at least to me, it is).

It does seem the voting public is more polarized by race than I would have previously thought (although this does reflect historical trends where most white people generally tend to vote Republican).

I just thought all of the anti-female rhetoric would have had a greater impact on the white female vote. It is really surprising to me that it didn't.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 2:10:52 PM)

The following is interesting. It appears white married women were most likely to vote for Romney.


http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/10/obama-v-romney-demographics-draw-your.html

[image]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aWzEdNHt--U/UI95m7OiAfI/AAAAAAAAAeo/x_6F3Ycpgis/s1600/Steve_Sailer_Obama_Romney_October_2012b.png[/image]




OsideGirl -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 2:22:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


In this year, where there was so much anti-woman rhetoric from the GOP, the fact that of the white women who bothered to vote, 56% still voted GOP is somewhat alarming (at least to me, it is).


I made a comment on that very conservative forum about my concerns about the GOP and women's rights. The response was that abortion wasn't going anywhere, so they didn't need to worry about women's rights.

I think it's telling that many of these women think that the only pertinent issue to those concerned with women's right is abortion.




TreasureKY -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 3:59:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

In this year, where there was so much anti-woman rhetoric from the GOP, the fact that of the white women who bothered to vote, 56% still voted GOP is somewhat alarming (at least to me, it is).

It does seem the voting public is more polarized by race than I would have previously thought (although this does reflect historical trends where most white people generally tend to vote Republican).

I just thought all of the anti-female rhetoric would have had a greater impact on the white female vote. It is really surprising to me that it didn't.


First, if this election were truly as polarized by race as you've suggested, Romney would have won. To be honest, McCain would have won his second term as President Obama would never have been elected.

In 2010, the census reports that there are 137,263,000 registered voters. 114,482,000 (83%) are white.

If, as you say, "most white people generally tend to vote Republican" were true, don't you think we'd be looking at a completely different political landscape right now?

As far as how women voted, it is kind of naive to think all women focus on the same limited issues. I'm rather insulted to think that I have to be pandered to on very special issues related to "female things". Like I shouldn't worry my "pretty little head" over the real issues of economy and foreign policy. [8|]

Sure there are some Republican idiots out there who say some pretty stupid things, but I don't appreciate being lumped in as supporting them simply because I'm fiscally conservative and identify as Republican. It would be nice to be given credit for having half a brain... but apparently women aren't supposed to think for themselves and need someone to tell us what we need to be concerned about.

I can see where someone accepting that guidance might be confused by the results.




DomKen -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 4:32:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
If, as you say, "most white people generally tend to vote Republican" were true, don't you think we'd be looking at a completely different political landscape right now?

No. Because it is a fact that most whites do vote Republican. Tuesday it was 59%.





fucktoyprincess -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 5:08:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
First, if this election were truly as polarized by race as you've suggested, Romney would have won. To be honest, McCain would have won his second term as President Obama would never have been elected.

In 2010, the census reports that there are 137,263,000 registered voters. 114,482,000 (83%) are white.


Polarized simply means tending towards one side versus another. It doesn't mean everyone white voted for Romney. And while those may be the figures for registered voters, not all registered voters actually vote on election day. [&:]

quote:

If, as you say, "most white people generally tend to vote Republican" were true, don't you think we'd be looking at a completely different political landscape right now?


Definition of MOST

1 : greatest in quantity, extent, or degree <the most ability>
2 : the majority of <most people>

Definition of MAJORITY

1: obsolete : the quality or state of being greater
2 a : the age at which full civil rights are accorded
b : the status of one who has attained this age
3 a : a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total <a majority of voters> <a two-thirds majority>
b : the excess of a majority over the remainder of the total : margin <won by a majority of 10 votes>
c : the greater quantity or share <the majority of the time>
4: the group or political party having the greater number of votes (as in a legislature)
5: the military office, rank, or commission of a major

So, by these definitions of most and majority, most means 50% or more. 50% or more of white males and females voted for Romney. That is a fact. That was not enough to carry the election. That is also a fact. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

quote:

As far as how women voted, it is kind of naive to think all women focus on the same limited issues. I'm rather insulted to think that I have to be pandered to on very special issues related to "female things". Like I shouldn't worry my "pretty little head" over the real issues of economy and foreign policy. [8|]

Sure there are some Republican idiots out there who say some pretty stupid things, but I don't appreciate being lumped in as supporting them simply because I'm fiscally conservative and identify as Republican. It would be nice to be given credit for having half a brain... but apparently women aren't supposed to think for themselves and need someone to tell us what we need to be concerned about.

I can see where someone accepting that guidance might be confused by the results.


Everyone is free to vote however they want. Where did I suggest otherwise. I think voting against self-interest is illogical, but you are entitled to your opinion.

So you don't think issues like equal pay, which I specifically mention in my post, are economic? What is equal pay to you then?

There is nothing wrong with being fiscally conservative but I believe women deserve equal pay for equal work.

Here is the congressional voting record for a particular bill that related to equal pay - The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009. As you can see, all but three Republicans voted against it. It is only law because Democrats voted for it. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll037.xml

Please explain to me why an ECONOMIC act of this nature should not matter to women? Why does your fiscal conservatism support a party that does not believe women are entitled to the same pay as men? Do you not believe women are just as worthy in the economy as men? Or do you not work so these types of issues are irrelevant to you? Again, I'm not asking you to be on the side of equal pay. I just want to understand why you don't care that women are paid fairly. You claim to be worried about the economy. I guess just on behalf of men?

And just to be clear, I am not confused about anything.




YN -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 5:09:48 PM)

According to your press 7 million European voters stayed home.

And women, especially single women voted for Obama, or so the reports claim. I asked the resident woman why she thought that was. She said that the way he treats and his relationship with his wife impressed her, and in her opinion would impress many other women. Male politicians with mistresses or who mistreat or disrespect women in general and their wives in particular are a regularity worldwide, and one who doesn't already has a lead in her opinion.

The various debriefings and afterwork in the media show that women and "Hispanics" turned the tide in favor of Obama, in addition to the 90% "black" support.

In summary minorities and women appear to have been the voters putting Obama ahead.




thishereboi -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 5:12:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


I assume from this that 56% of white women voters are some combination of the following: conservative, anti-contraception, anti-abortion, oblivious to the "rape" statements, too concerned about the economy to worry about their individual rights (including equal pay) or just too bloody well rich to care about other people. (?)


You left one out: racist.

I spent a brief amount of time on a crafting website....you'd be surprised at some of the comments regarding the fact that Obama is black or has what they consider a Muslim name.




I don't suppose it ever dawned on anyone that they might have voted that way because they thought Romney was the better condidate. Naw they must be stupid or racist because they didn't vote the same way you did. [8|]




tazzygirl -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 5:14:41 PM)

quote:

I don't suppose it ever dawned on anyone that they might have voted that way because they thought Romney was the better condidate. Naw they must be stupid or racist because they didn't vote the same way you did.



quote:

56% of white women voters are some combination of the following: conservative, anti-contraception, anti-abortion, oblivious to the "rape" statements, too concerned about the economy to worry about their individual rights (including equal pay) or just too bloody well rich to care about other people.


Unless you are willing to say that ALL the white women who voted for Romney are NOT racist..... The point is valid.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 5:19:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: YN

According to your press 7 million European voters stayed home.

And women, especially single women voted for Obama, or so the reports claim. I asked the resident woman why she thought that was. She said that the way he treats and his relationship with his wife impressed her, and in her opinion would impress many other women. Male politicians with mistresses or who mistreat or disrespect women in general and their wives in particular are a regularity worldwide, and one who doesn't already has a lead in her opinion.

The various debriefings and afterwork in the media show that women and "Hispanics" turned the tide in favor of Obama, in addition to the 90% "black" support.

In summary minorities and women appear to have been the voters putting Obama ahead.


Yes, as it turns out single white women supported Obama. So it is only a majority of married white women who supported Romney. If I had to guess, I'm thinking a couple of things: religious right (so they just don't care about women's rights at all), non-working stay at home wives (whose entire economic situation is dependent on their husbands, so they just vote the way their husband votes), the wealthy (who are simply inured to much of the debate regardless, as most of the things mentioned in the OP would not affect them - they can afford it all), women who simply don't understand that they are voting against self-interest (or for reasons I can't fathom, don't care)....I'm open to suggestion on some other possibilities....

p.s. I guess I could add older white women to the list too (who are past their child bearing years, and at the tail end of careers, but who are not overly concerned about healthcare costs)





DesideriScuri -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 5:40:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Everyone is free to vote however they want. Where did I suggest otherwise. I think voting against self-interest is illogical, but you are entitled to your opinion.


You say that everyone is free to vote however they want, but your OP states:
    quote:

    I assume from this that 56% of white women voters are some combination of the following: conservative, anti-contraception, anti-abortion, oblivious to the "rape" statements, too concerned about the economy to worry about their individual rights (including equal pay) or just too bloody well rich to care about other people. (?)

    I understand these numbers are the reality of the exit polls. But I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this one. It certainly does not reflect the way most of the white women I know think (and they come from all over the country including the red states). Someone help me understand this. Was Romney right that women married to conservative men just follow their husband's vote??


So, you think everyone is free to vote their vote, but also have a thinly veiled smack-down against women who didn't vote the same way you think they should have. How does that work?

quote:

So you don't think issues like equal pay, which I specifically mention in my post, are economic? What is equal pay to you then?
There is nothing wrong with being fiscally conservative but I believe women deserve equal pay for equal work.
Here is the congressional voting record for a particular bill that related to equal pay - The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009. As you can see, all but three Republicans voted against it. It is only law because Democrats voted for it. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll037.xml
Please explain to me why an ECONOMIC act of this nature should not matter to women? Why does your fiscal conservatism support a party that does not believe women are entitled to the same pay as men? Do you not believe women are just as worthy in the economy as men? Or do you not work so these types of issues are irrelevant to you? Again, I'm not asking you to be on the side of equal pay. I just want to understand why you don't care that women are paid fairly. You claim to be worried about the economy. I guess just on behalf of men?
And just to be clear, I am not confused about anything.


Perhaps - and I know this is probably just one "crackpot" theory - equal pay for women isn't as important to these women as the overall economic health of the US. I know, I know. I said it probably was a crackpot theory. Maybe what white women feel is a smarter plan regarding tax reform is more important than Lily Ledbetter. There are more things to economics than the Lily Ledbetter Act. And, as much as I support equal pay for equal work (regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation), there are much more important things, IMO.




TreasureKY -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 7:27:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

I think voting against self-interest is illogical, but you are entitled to your opinion.


You appear to be assuming that those things that are of interest to you, are of enough interest to other woman that they override any other factors that might be used to make a decision.

It also appears that you are assuming that your opinion of how Republican elected officials might or might not represent those interests is completely correct.

But you are entitled to your opinion.

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

So you don't think issues like equal pay, which I specifically mention in my post, are economic? What is equal pay to you then?

There is nothing wrong with being fiscally conservative but I believe women deserve equal pay for equal work.

Here is the congressional voting record for a particular bill that related to equal pay - The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009. As you can see, all but three Republicans voted against it. It is only law because Democrats voted for it. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll037.xml

Please explain to me why an ECONOMIC act of this nature should not matter to women? Why does your fiscal conservatism support a party that does not believe women are entitled to the same pay as men? Do you not believe women are just as worthy in the economy as men? Or do you not work so these types of issues are irrelevant to you? Again, I'm not asking you to be on the side of equal pay. I just want to understand why you don't care that women are paid fairly. You claim to be worried about the economy. I guess just on behalf of men?


I absolutely feel that people who do a job with equal work responsibilities and equal results should be compensated equally.

That being said...

I also believe that if you accept a particular pay rate to do a job, then you do that job for the agreed upon pay without complaint. You're the one who accepted the offer. No one held a gun against your head and said you had to accept the pay. It makes no difference what the person next to you is making. That is their business and it doesn't affect you. You made a deal. Live with it.

This isn't kindergarten where we complain that Tommy got a bigger cookie. Supposedly we are adults. If we are dissatisfied with the compensation we agreed upon initially, then we can attempt renegotiation... or find a job where we are compensated in the amount we feel is right.

The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act does not grant fair pay. It re-frames the time period within which someone can file a lawsuit for pay discrimination. I have no disagreement with that, but again... I do not vote for a representative for solely one issue.

I can't explain to you why an economic act of this nature should not matter to women; it should honestly matter to everyone. But I also believe that there are a lot of issues that should matter to everyone. Funny thing, though... they don't seem to care what I believe.

The party I support does not believe in inequitable pay. Frankly, I'm not aware of any party that does not believe women are entitled to the same pay as men.

Honestly, there are unworthy people of both genders. Worth has nothing to do with it.

I own my own business so I'm not impacted by "fair pay", but I don't find the issue irrelevant. Nonetheless, I don't find it to be defining.

You're assumption that I don't care would be somewhat incorrect. But you're talking to a woman who has been employed full-time in the workforce for over 34 years; I've yet to work with or for any one person who was exactly equal to anyone else. Fair or not.




kalikshama -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 7:29:35 PM)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinion/sunday/dowd-romney-is-president.html

...Mitt Romney is the president of white male America.

Maybe the group can retreat to a man cave in a Whiter House, with mahogany paneling, brown leather Chesterfields, a moose head over the fireplace, an elevator for the presidential limo, and one of those men’s club signs on the phone that reads: “Telephone Tips: ‘Just Left,’ 25 cents; ‘On His Way,’ 50 cents; ‘Not here,’ $1; ‘Who?’ $5.”

In its delusional death spiral, the white male patriarchy was so hard core, so redolent of country clubs and Cadillacs, it made little effort not to alienate women. The election had the largest gender gap in the history of the Gallup poll, with Obama winning the vote of single women by 36 percentage points.

As W.’s former aide Karen Hughes put it in Politico on Friday, “If another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue.”

Some Republicans conceded they were “a ‘Mad Men’ party in a ‘Modern Family’ world” (although “Mad Men” seems too louche for a candidate who doesn’t drink or smoke and who apparently dated only one woman). They also acknowledged that Romney’s strategists ran a 20th-century campaign against David Plouffe’s 21st-century one.

But the truth is, Romney was an unpalatable candidate. And shocking as it may seem, his strategists weren’t blowing smoke when they said they were going to win; they were just clueless.

Until now, Republicans and Fox News have excelled at conjuring alternate realities. But this time, they made the mistake of believing their fake world actually existed. As Fox’s Megyn Kelly said to Karl Rove on election night, when he argued against calling Ohio for Obama: “Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?”

Romney and Tea Party loonies dismissed half the country as chattel and moochers who did not belong in their “traditional” America. But the more they insulted the president with birther cracks, the more they tried to force chastity belts on women, and the more they made Hispanics, blacks and gays feel like the help, the more these groups burned to prove that, knitted together, they could give the dead-enders of white male domination the boot.

The election about the economy also sounded the death knell for the Republican culture wars.

Romney was still running in an illusory country where husbands told wives how to vote, and the wives who worked had better get home in time to cook dinner. But in the real country, many wives were urging husbands not to vote for a Brylcreemed boss out of a ’50s boardroom whose party was helping to revive a 50-year-old debate over contraception.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinion/sunday/dowd-romney-is-president.html




Marini -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 7:30:39 PM)

Thanks for sharing the Romney vs. President Obama demographics graph.

Very interesting graph to say the least.




slvemike4u -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/11/2012 8:50:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

In this year, where there was so much anti-woman rhetoric from the GOP, the fact that of the white women who bothered to vote, 56% still voted GOP is somewhat alarming (at least to me, it is).

It does seem the voting public is more polarized by race than I would have previously thought (although this does reflect historical trends where most white people generally tend to vote Republican).

I just thought all of the anti-female rhetoric would have had a greater impact on the white female vote. It is really surprising to me that it didn't.


First, if this election were truly as polarized by race as you've suggested, Romney would have won. To be honest, McCain would have won his second term as President Obama would never have been elected.

In 2010, the census reports that there are 137,263,000 registered voters. 114,482,000 (83%) are white.

If, as you say, "most white people generally tend to vote Republican" were true, don't you think we'd be looking at a completely different political landscape right now?

As far as how women voted, it is kind of naive to think all women focus on the same limited issues. I'm rather insulted to think that I have to be pandered to on very special issues related to "female things". Like I shouldn't worry my "pretty little head" over the real issues of economy and foreign policy. [8|]

Sure there are some Republican idiots out there who say some pretty stupid things, but I don't appreciate being lumped in as supporting them simply because I'm fiscally conservative and identify as Republican. It would be nice to be given credit for having half a brain... but apparently women aren't supposed to think for themselves and need someone to tell us what we need to be concerned about.

I can see where someone accepting that guidance might be confused by the results.

Have no fear Treasure,I give you full credit for having"half a brain"[:D]




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