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tazzygirl -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 3:07:47 PM)

You are working with should be's.... Im working with reality. The fat cats got their severance pay... the workers got the shaft.

Welcome to America.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 3:13:55 PM)

And I'm soooo glad I didn't emigrate to there! [:D]

That said, things aren't that much different over here.

However, in recent(ish) events, when big bank bosses resigned over the bank losses, the public hue and cry over their golden handshake payouts embarassed them enough to decline most (and for some, all) of their money. They still got the majority of their shares and other 'hidden' payments but their cash hand-outs were severely curtailed to appease the masses and the shareholders.




DesideriScuri -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 5:29:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Because they were told to get an MBA to get into management.... duh.


While it is essential to have an MBA to get into management, it's no guarantee. That type of thinking ("If I get [this], I'll get [this job]") is simply wrong. Just because you go to college and get a degree doesn't guarantee you a job. Anyone who truly believes that is naive and will have life slap the shit out of them several times.




DesideriScuri -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 5:37:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
The 10,000 goes into the economy. About half of the 75,000 one does. 200,000? Guess how much isnt being spent.

Yeah, those who make shloads of money let it sit idle, don't they? Oh. Wait. No, they don't. That money serves (or is supposed to serve) as the basis for the fractional reserve banking system we have.
It enters the economy, just not as a direct consumer purchase of produced goods.

And you can guarantee that every penny of their money is in the economy, right?


Actually, it tends to be in the economy at a much greater amount than is in savings, fractional reserve banking and all.

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lol... gotta love the "supposed to serve" part. Tell me, does that include all the off shore accounts as well?


I don't know why you laugh at it supposing to serve as the basis. That it isn't is part of our problem, IMO. Off-shore accounts? Can't speak to them. If the location of the bank is in a country where the financials are run like ours, it enters their economy. You do realize that off-shore accounts are in response to tax rates, right? Thus, there really is an easy way to get people to stop off-shoring money without coercion.




DesideriScuri -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 5:42:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
yeah amazing that, isnt it....working full time or part time, just isnt worth paying more than slave wages.
fuck em, they dont deserve anything more.
lazy bastards, unskilled should be living in dormatories, likes they do in china
Someones gotta do it, huh
fuck what a sick attitude


What did slaves get paid? Hell, other than some food and lodging, did slaves actually get paid?

When you rely on someone else to create a job, you are also at their mercy for what they are going to pay for that job. You have the option of taking it, or not taking it. If you aren't going to go out and create your own job, you don't have as much say.

If you have an issue with that, feel free to start your own business and pay whatever you want to pay and offer whatever benefits you deem fit. But, if you aren't going to do that, how much of a platform do you have to bitch about someone else not doing it?




tazzygirl -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 5:42:52 PM)

Doesnt matter what they are in response too. The idiots should have realized that by skirting taxes before, they would catch up with them later.




DesideriScuri -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 5:44:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I believe if they had cut their own wages the employees would have went along with the rest.


I don't know if that's true or not, but I do agree that it should have been where they started (with cuts in management's pay, roll-backs of raises, or both).




DesideriScuri -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 5:45:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Doesnt matter what they are in response too. The idiots should have realized that by skirting taxes before, they would catch up with them later.


How has it caught up with them?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:10:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

My point was in reference to the post I responded too. Did that elude you as well?


It must have....your intellect so overwhelms us all.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:11:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

[image]http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/532148_10151281051133729_1490742946_n.jpg[/image]


Tell that to Microsoft who has over 4,000 jobs that start at 90 grand a year, yet they can't find people skilled enough to do them.




subrob1967 -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:15:35 PM)

"Can't find a job? Move overseas" By Emily Matchar, Published: November 23

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Can’t find a job? Move overseas.

By Emily Matchar, Published: November 23

Emily Matchar, author of “Homeward Bound: The New Cult of Domesticity,” is a freelance writer in Hong Kong.

After applying for 279 jobs over two years, my husband finally got the offer he’d been hoping for: a well-paid position teaching philosophy at a respected university. We should have been thrilled. There was just one little thing.

The job was in Hong Kong.

“I feel like we’re being deported from our own country,” my husband said.

“It’ll be an adventure,” I replied, trying to sound game.

“I wasn’t looking for an adventure,” he said. “I was just looking for a job.”

We didn’t know we would be part of a wave of educated young Americans heading overseas in search of better employment opportunities. According to State Department estimates, 6.3 million Americans are studying or working abroad, the highest number ever recorded. What’s more, the percentage of Americans ages 25 to 34 who are planning to move overseas has quintupled in two years, from less than 1 percent to 5.1 percent. Among 18- to 24-year-olds, 40 percent are interested in moving abroad, up from 12 percent in 2007.

In the past, Americans often took foreign jobs for the adventure or because their career field demanded overseas work. Today, these young people are leaving because they can’t find jobs in the United States. They’re leaving because the jobs they do find often don’t offer benefits such as health insurance. They’re leaving because the gloomy atmosphere of the American economy makes it hard to break through with a new innovative idea or business model. “This is a huge movement,” says Bob Adams, president and chief executive of America Wave, an organization that studies overseas relocation.

Stories like ours are everywhere.

When Liz Jackson, 31, earned her PhD in educational policy from the University of Illinois, she hoped to find a job as an assistant professor. She applied for about 50 jobs in 2010. But U.S. colleges and universities were shrinking; layoffs and hiring freezes were rampant. Jackson’s only nibbles of interest came from the Middle East and Asia.

She ended up taking a position as an administrator at a university in Abu Dhabi, in the United Arab Emirates. There, in addition to a tax-free salary of $45,000, she was given a three-bedroom, three-bathroom apartment to live in rent-free, plane tickets for her and her husband to visit the United States every year, 44 annual paid vacation days, an $8,000 moving allowance, and a promise to help find a job for her husband, who’s a physicist. Plus, there was great health insurance, with no co-pays, dirt-cheap drugs and free dental coverage. This was a major draw for many of Jackson’s friends, almost all of whom are fellow Americans.

“We can pay off our student loans in the next six years,” Jackson says. Together, she and her husband owe about $200,000. “That would be impossible in the United States.”

Jackson estimates that half of her graduate school classmates in the United States are underemployed or employed in jobs far different fromprofessions they trained for. Still, her family has a hard time understanding why she and her husband chose to live abroad. “They didn’t believe us when we said we can’t get a job” in the United States that’s competitive, she says. “Not only can we not get jobs in the U.S., but even if we did, we’d be taking a serious pay cut.”

After a year in Abu Dhabi, Jackson did a second job search in the United States. Once again, no bites. She’s now happily employed as a tenure-track assistant professor in Hong Kong, and her husband is a science instructor at the same university.

Even for those fortunate enough to find work in the United States, there’s still the sense that the best opportunities — the best quality of life — are far from New York or Silicon Valley.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:16:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
The 10,000 goes into the economy. About half of the 75,000 one does. 200,000? Guess how much isnt being spent.


Yeah, those who make shloads of money let it sit idle, don't they? Oh. Wait. No, they don't. That money serves (or is supposed to serve) as the basis for the fractional reserve banking system we have.

It enters the economy, just not as a direct consumer purchase of produced goods.


And you can guarantee that every penny of their money is in the economy, right?

lol... gotta love the "supposed to serve" part. Tell me, does that include all the off shore accounts as well?




If those who made more than what you consider necessary to live on only put it in a bank....it's available for loans to small business owners, people buying cars, etc.

If they live "excessively" (whatever that means), it's being spent on home remodels, luxury cars and trips. (That would therefore, mean there are contractors, mechanics and waiters benefiting from their spending habits).

The statistics are that 98% of the population has about 60 - 90 days of income in the bank.

That leaves 2% that have "more than that".

Ergo....regardless of what people make, it's being spent...and yes, that means "in the economy".




LookieNoNookie -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:20:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

It only takes ONE administrator to do that.

I bet those fat cats are still being paid their fat and inflated salaries until the company is officially closed.
Meanwhile, the workers are chucked out of a job, instantly, with no pay.

I see no justice in that at all.



It takes one Administrator to close 400 - 500 plants?

Man, are you some kind of super human efficiency expert? I'd love to see how one guy could do all that.




tazzygirl -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:47:29 PM)

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The statistics are that 98% of the population has about 60 - 90 days of income in the bank.

That leaves 2% that have "more than that".


How about you show us those statistics.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:51:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The statistics are that 98% of the population has about 60 - 90 days of income in the bank.

That leaves 2% that have "more than that".


How about you show us those statistics.


How about you look 'em up yourself....I'm not interested in doing everyone's research on CM.




Hillwilliam -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:53:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie



If those who made more than what you consider necessary to live on only put it in a bank....it's available for loans to small business owners, people buying cars, etc.

If they live "excessively" (whatever that means), it's being spent on home remodels, luxury cars and trips. (That would therefore, mean there are contractors, mechanics and waiters benefiting from their spending habits).

The statistics are that 98% of the population has about 60 - 90 days of income in the bank.

That leaves 2% that have "more than that".

Ergo....regardless of what people make, it's being spent...and yes, that means "in the economy".

Here's the problem. The top 1% has 42% of all the wealth.
http://www.mybudget360.com/top-1-percent-control-42-percent-of-financial-wealth-in-the-us-how-average-americans-are-lured-into-debt-servitude-by-promises-of-mega-wealth/
I think it's safe to assume that the top 2% controls over half the wealth. Where does it go? Does it go back into the economy? Not much of it. Most goes offshore.

This spirals the economy downward as the bottom 98% scrap over a smaller and smaller piece of the pie.




tazzygirl -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:54:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The statistics are that 98% of the population has about 60 - 90 days of income in the bank.

That leaves 2% that have "more than that".


How about you show us those statistics.


How about you look 'em up yourself....I'm not interested in doing everyone's research on CM.


ROFL

I did look. Your numbers dont exist. You have a bad habit of that.




Hillwilliam -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 6:55:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The statistics are that 98% of the population has about 60 - 90 days of income in the bank.

That leaves 2% that have "more than that".


How about you show us those statistics.


How about you look 'em up yourself....I'm not interested in doing everyone's research on CM.

Here's how we work in the basement. You make a claim, you back it up. Otherwise it's assumed to be bullshit.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 7:00:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The statistics are that 98% of the population has about 60 - 90 days of income in the bank.

That leaves 2% that have "more than that".


How about you show us those statistics.


How about you look 'em up yourself....I'm not interested in doing everyone's research on CM.

Here's how we work in the basement. You make a claim, you back it up. Otherwise it's assumed to be bullshit.



Oh geeez....bunch of lazy fucks.

Read into them whatever you want:

http://www.webanswers.com/finance-investing/savings/how-much-does-an-average-person-have-in-their-saving-account-c29f03

http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-money-does-the-average-person-have

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_the_average_family_have_in_a_savings_account

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070328114334AAsEURJ

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070406094215AAYoxmq

I'm confident if you all get off your fat asses and look into some of the websites that end in .gov, you'll find stuff even more fulfilling.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs (11/25/2012 7:02:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie



If those who made more than what you consider necessary to live on only put it in a bank....it's available for loans to small business owners, people buying cars, etc.

If they live "excessively" (whatever that means), it's being spent on home remodels, luxury cars and trips. (That would therefore, mean there are contractors, mechanics and waiters benefiting from their spending habits).

The statistics are that 98% of the population has about 60 - 90 days of income in the bank.

That leaves 2% that have "more than that".

Ergo....regardless of what people make, it's being spent...and yes, that means "in the economy".

Here's the problem. The top 1% has 42% of all the wealth.
http://www.mybudget360.com/top-1-percent-control-42-percent-of-financial-wealth-in-the-us-how-average-americans-are-lured-into-debt-servitude-by-promises-of-mega-wealth/
I think it's safe to assume that the top 2% controls over half the wealth. Where does it go? Does it go back into the economy? Not much of it. Most goes offshore.

This spirals the economy downward as the bottom 98% scrap over a smaller and smaller piece of the pie.


And the rest of the world is throwing money at our Treasury bonds.

Yeah, that makes sense...the people smart enough to make money (here) are going to put most of their money offshore, when the rest of the world puts it here.

Okay...now I understand economics.

Thanks for the lesson.

(Sure wish I would have had all you CM economics geniuses to advise me before I started all my companies....I'm certain I'd be a trillionaire by now).




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