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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
lol... its funny. Didnt these same people bitch about the bonuses bankers got after they begged for TARP?
This is no different.

I know I did. I was pissed that bonuses were given. To be upfront and honest, I was already pissed because they got bailed out.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Jesus h. motherfucking christ, have you not been reading the thread in which you are posting ? It has been established how much these punk ass motherfuckers are paid and that their mismanagement has put the company into bankruptsy twice in the past ten years. Why are you trying to defend a bonus/salery increase for a bunch of asswipes who have proved that they have no managemet abilities what so ever? If they had been labor they would have been fired half way through their first shift. Why do you choose to fill your post with this moronic drivil?

Jesus h. motherfucking christ, have you not been reading the thread in which you are posting? Have you not paid attention that I believe Management should have been forced to give back those raises (and possibly even more) before Labor was asked for concessions?
You stated that they should not get bonuses for doing their job. I showed you how a bonus can be used to help people do a job better. I wasn't saying that Hostess' management did their job, or did their job well. Unless your idea is that they were supposed to tank the company , you even mistakenly inferred that they did their job.

This thread is about hostess...one might reasonably assume that you knew that.

Then why did you say this:
Post#369

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Why should they get a bonus for doing their job?

According to that statement, you are asserting that management did their job, tanking Hostess.

And, it's not surprising to me that you didn't even include a response to my fact that I have already stated that management returning bonuses/raises as a first step before going to Unions for concessions. Very telling.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Why doesnt Microsoft use that money? Because they dont spend that much money on visas.

An interesting fact that I had no idea about until I made exhaustive enquiries about emigrating to FL way back in 2002...

There is some buried US legislation (whether its just in FL I don't know), that any company wishing to take on employees from outside the US, they have to -
A) Prove that the position is not applicable to US citizens; -or-
B) Prove that there are no suitably qualified US citizens available to take up the position;
C) Ensure that the prospective candidate is legally allowed to enter the US;
D) Provide the necessary documentation and pay for the employees Green Card.
-and-
E) Agree to pay said employee 70% above the previously advertised salary to that of a US citizen.

The friend I was staying at wasn't short of a few $$'s and he had several of his lawyer clients check out what was needed for me to stay in the US and work for/with him and that was one of the real nasties that came out of the woodwork.
So, unless that law has been revised/repealed in the last decade, I assume it still stands.

If that is still the case, then it's no wonder that US companies don't go spending $$'s on importing foreign employees - it's just not economical to do so unless there is no other choice.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
And you have admitted Hostess was also management's fault.
Think these employees werent pissed? But they were in a position to at least try and argue with management over all of it.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
If you think that taking a post out of context makes your point you are mistaken.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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~FR

Required Fees

There are different fees depending on the type of H-1B petition you are submitting. Please refer to H-1B Data Collection and Filing Fee Exemption Supplement (pages 17-19 of Form I-129) for detailed instructions on fees.

The following fees may be required with an H-1B petition:

Base filing fee:

$325
American Competitiveness and Workforce Improvement Act of 1998 (ACWIA) fee:

(see H-1B Data Collection and Filing Fee Exemption Supplement, Part B):

$750 for employers with 1 to 25 full-time equivalent employees, unless exempt
$1,500 for employers with 26 or more full-time equivalent employees, unless exempt
Fraud Prevention and Detection fee:

$500 to be submitted with a request for initial H-1B status or with a request for a beneficiary already in H-1B status to change employers (does not apply to Chile/Singapore H-1B1 petitions)
Public Law 111-230:

$2,000 to be submitted by a petitioner which employs 50 or more employees in the United States where more than 50 percent of its employees in the United States are in H-1B or L-1 nonimmigrant status.
must be submitted with a request for initial H-1B status or a request for a beneficiary already in H-1B status to change employers
Premium Processing fee:

$1,225 for employers seeking Premium Processing Service

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That does seem to be somewhat less than $15,000 as claimed in one of the more ignorant post on this subject.

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When a company is willing to pay the feds an additional 15K over and above what they ask for now for an H1B Visa (and STILL pay 85 - 125K a year for the position, regardless of your citizenship)....why is it so difficult for you to see any kind of concept relating to reality?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx



No,18500 workers refuse to work for shit wages and that burns your ass and me and the 18500 bakes get a real grin out of that.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

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When a company is willing to pay the feds an additional 15K over and above what they ask for now for an H1B Visa (and STILL pay 85 - 125K a year for the position, regardless of your citizenship)....why is it so difficult for you to see any kind of concept relating to reality?

Microsoft is calling on Congress to grant 20,000 new H-1B visas each year solely for jobs in science, technology, engineering or mathematics (STEM). The current annual cap is 65,000 visas, about half of which are claimed for computer-related occupations.

Microsoft requested an average of 4,100 H-1B visas annually between 2010 and 2011, more than any other corporation.

Additionally, Microsoft wants the federal government to release 20,000 green cards each year from an accumulated pool of a half-million unused ones so high-tech workers could remain in the United States as permanent residents. Without a green card, an H-1B visa holder's stay is limited to a total of six years.

Although Microsoft offered the plan only in its name, Smith said other employers and trade groups share its concerns about the skills gap. Failure to meet the labor challenge, Smith said, would only push high-tech American jobs abroad.

Smith said companies could pay $10,000 for each of the additional 20,000 H-1B visa reserved for STEM occupations. Large employers now pay $1,500 apiece, along with several thousand dollars more in various fees. For green cards, the fee would be $15,000.

........

Smith called the new $10,000 fee for an H-1B visa a small one-time investment.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl



And you have admitted Hostess was also management's fault.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And they still couldnt work it out by October, instead, still agreeing to the "pay raise for executives" while telling the employees "fuck you"?

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They couldn't work it out for the Baker's Union Team....

They seemed to have worked it out just fine for the 13,500 other employes

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Why doesnt Microsoft use that money? Because they dont spend that much money on visas.

An interesting fact that I had no idea about until I made exhaustive enquiries about emigrating to FL way back in 2002...

There is some buried US legislation (whether its just in FL I don't know), that any company wishing to take on employees from outside the US, they have to -
A) Prove that the position is not applicable to US citizens; -or-
B) Prove that there are no suitably qualified US citizens available to take up the position;
C) Ensure that the prospective candidate is legally allowed to enter the US;
D) Provide the necessary documentation and pay for the employees Green Card.
-and-
E) Agree to pay said employee 70% above the previously advertised salary to that of a US citizen.

The friend I was staying at wasn't short of a few $$'s and he had several of his lawyer clients check out what was needed for me to stay in the US and work for/with him and that was one of the real nasties that came out of the woodwork.
So, unless that law has been revised/repealed in the last decade, I assume it still stands.

If that is still the case, then it's no wonder that US companies don't go spending $$'s on importing foreign employees - it's just not economical to do so unless there is no other choice.

Why don'tyou go back to the same article you lifted that from and read and post the rest of it? Google works for everyone not just those who think they can pluck out a piece that they think substantiates their position.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


Doesnt sound like the Teamsters were too happy about it either.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Required Fees

There are different fees depending on the type of H-1B petition you are submitting. Please refer to H-1B Data Collection and Filing Fee Exemption Supplement (pages 17-19 of Form I-129) for detailed instructions on fees.

The following fees may be required with an H-1B petition:

Base filing fee:

$325
American Competitiveness and Workforce Improvement Act of 1998 (ACWIA) fee:

(see H-1B Data Collection and Filing Fee Exemption Supplement, Part B):

$750 for employers with 1 to 25 full-time equivalent employees, unless exempt
$1,500 for employers with 26 or more full-time equivalent employees, unless exempt
Fraud Prevention and Detection fee:

$500 to be submitted with a request for initial H-1B status or with a request for a beneficiary already in H-1B status to change employers (does not apply to Chile/Singapore H-1B1 petitions)
Public Law 111-230:

$2,000 to be submitted by a petitioner which employs 50 or more employees in the United States where more than 50 percent of its employees in the United States are in H-1B or L-1 nonimmigrant status.
must be submitted with a request for initial H-1B status or a request for a beneficiary already in H-1B status to change employers
Premium Processing fee:

$1,225 for employers seeking Premium Processing Service

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=4b7cdd1d5fd37210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=73566811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

That does seem to be somewhat less than $15,000 as claimed in one of the more ignorant post on this subject.

Here ya go Einstein.

http://seattletimes.com/html/microsoft/2019276648_microsoft28m.html

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx



No,18500 workers refuse to work for shit wages and that burns your ass and me and the 18500 bakes get a real grin out of that.

Sorry.... BUT WRONG!

There were 5,000 Union Bakers working for Hostess.

There were 6,500 Teamsters working for Hostess.

There were about 7,000 non union workers.

The Teamsters did not go on strike and accepted the CBA.

The NON union workers did not go on strike.

Only the members of The Bakers Union and I highly doubt the vote to not accept the CBA was 5000-0.

Hostess Bakers were making on average about $32,000 a year(without overtime) and had benefits. Hardly slavery.

According to the Bureau of labor Statistics, the median annual wage for a baker in the United States is $23,450 a year.

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/production/bakers.htm

Much of the management, organizers and staff of Unions and their locals are professionals who work for said Union.