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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Okay. You present an intriguing point. It is reasonable and somewhat entertaining to assume that modern day Palestinians are off-shoots of the Jews who did not leave after the destruction of the Temple. However, if not genetically far distant the Zionists are politically worlds apart from the Palestinians. The European Jews were a Nation without land while the Palestinains are a land without a Nation.
You mean a nation without a state?
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Zionism from the start was a reaction against assimilation into European cultures and citizenship. The question of who is or what is a Jew was a European question before it became a question in the Levant. Assimilation of Jews into European Christian nations was troubled to say the least and reached horrific consequences in 20th C Germany. I can't speak for the Zionist mindset from experience but I can conjecture that there is no room beyond tokenism in Jewish Israel for Palestinians whatever their genetic or cultural connections.
I accept anti-semiticism is an ingrained attitude which is religious and economic in origin, caused through the powers that be in Europe.
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Zionism is a reactionary political movement whose goal, I imagine, is one nation from the Jordan to the Sea. The Settlement movement is probably beyond reversal, as Tweak has mentioned in another thread. The two state solution is probably a stall while the indigenous people are being corralled onto reservations much as they were in 19th C America. I would not hold out hope for anything other than the Jacksonian solution. I cannot imagine what pressures could be brought upon Israel to change her presumed "manifest destiny."
Fortunately for American ´manifest destiny´many indians died of European introduced deseases and-or were happily slaughtered and starved with no international community to worry about.
The dilemma for Israel is that it has a population time bomb on its hands. The Palestinian population is growing faster than the Jewish population. In Israel proper and the occupied territories together, Jews are 50% of the population, Palestinians 46% of the problem. There are no deseases wiping out Palestinians, they cannot be starved or murdered in numbers that can change the situation and there is an international community watching. Sooner or later Israel will be forced into a decision by circumstance, to assimilate the Palestinians into a greater Israel which would mean the end of a Jewish state or acquiesque on the two state solution.
Oh and an interesting point. Because of the population time bomb, the Israeli state hasn´t been paying too much attention as to whether immigrants are Jews or not. It is claimed many Russian Jewish immigrants weren´t Jewish at all but Russians seeking a better life, which is somewhat backed up by the fact some admitted the fact and have gone back to Russia now life has improved there.
< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 11/28/2012 12:42:31 AM >
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