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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Semitic refers to a group of languages; not to genetic lines. Italian-Americans and Norwegian-Americans may all speak English. That hardly allows us to conclude there is a significant genetic link.
From the online dictionary.
Se·mit·ic
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(s -m t k)
adj.
1. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.2. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.n.
1. The Semitic languages.2. Any one of the Semitic languages.
Semitic [sɪˈmɪtɪk] less commonly, Shemitic
n
(Linguistics / Languages) a branch or subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic family of languages that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Amharic, and such ancient languages as Akkadian and Phoenicianadj
1. (Linguistics / Languages) denoting, relating to, or belonging to this group of languages2. (Social Science / Peoples) denoting, belonging to, or characteristic of any of the peoples speaking a Semitic language, esp the Jews or the Arabs3. (Social Science / Peoples) another word for Jewish
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ORIGINAL:vincentML
The Palestinian "issue" predates and was well known before the refugee camps inasmuch as the refugee camps are result of the 1948 War.
Yes, I agree. It started with the influx of large numbers of European Jews into the Levant from the late 19th century.
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ORIGINAL:vincentML
Perhaps you could offer citations to support these remarkable certainties.
I know it is upsetting for people who take part in conflicts and who demonise their enemies only to find in fact, they are the same people as the people they are fighting. In Israel, genetic differences are ignored amongst various Jewish groups while at the same time accentuating the differences between Jews and none Jews, even if all share the same origins. Books like Harry Ostrer's “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People,” claim to be science while subjectively using results to explain away, not only Khazarians but the large numbers of well documented none Jewish converts in Spain in the first century AD. It is also well docmented (in Jewish hitory too) that Jews married into local populations and converted people as they went, particularly in north Africa and the Levant. The Levant which we are now discussing saw large numbers of locals converting to Islam in the wake of the muslim expansion. I could go on and on. We come to a point of who is a Jew and who isn't and genetically, that is one of perception, you accentuate the similarities or you accentuate the differences, ultimately the choice is cultural.
Let me illustrate. I have two friends who have Jewish fathers but because their mothers aren't Jews, they aren't. However, depending what you are looking for in a genetic sample and what you want to prove, both would turn up in samples as Jews or if you want to eliminate them, you use matriarchal DNA testing. The choice of which type of testing to use is cultural, who is a Jew and who isn't a Jew is cultural, not scientific. It all comes down to accentuating difference or ignoring difference. Since so much genetics are shared by all indigenous people of the Levant, Israeli scientists tend to accentuate difference but it ain't really science. People are too alike for that, even people who are separated by millennia, never mind intermingled populations which are known to have intermarried, converted, intermarried and converted etc over the centuries.
An interesting read for you. http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html
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