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RE: Helping newbies - 6/16/2006 6:40:57 PM   
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To the OP...IMO..(remember am full blown newbit..smile)..common sense tells me that this world is comprised of so many personalities..some people truly wish to impart information to help where it may and there are others who simply choose not to.This does not make either good or bad, its just a simple matter of some have a kind of "mothers instinct" to help guide and protect, like one would a toddler learning how to walk, you wish to make sure they do not do to much damage but you also do not want to wrap them up in cottonwool.One must learn to crawl ,toddle,walk and run.One must fall to experience the discomfort or pain of their mistake in order to learn how better to go about it.So the experienced ones simply try to help newbies escape obvious pitfalls still knowing that they cannot protect them from everything.Hence sometimes the experienced ones do weary of helping newbies just as a mother wearies of helping her young.So I think do not despair of either the newbies or those who choose not to help for there will always be someone to attempt to teach and someone who is smart enough to listen and learn.From this newbit to all the posters who come here to give of their experience and time....I THANK YOU!!!.....be well...Tempting


*smiles* its nice to know that there are newbits ( I like that mind if I borrow it? *grins* ) that do appreciate the help, sometimes thank yous are often left unsaid and its nice to hear em... so thank you for that... *smiles*
I kinda liked it too so YES! feel free to use..I am so old that having anything newbit on me feels really good!..even if it is experience..(grin)..Tempting



heehee *sticks a newbit lolli in yer pocket n grins*

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/16/2006 7:28:55 PM   
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your so very right . till they walk a mile in our shoes they cannot begin to comment on what we put forth

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/16/2006 10:14:21 PM   
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I think when it comes to helping newbies (I've been involved since I was 19 and I'm 24 now, I still consider myself a newbie) it partially comes from camaraderie and postings. However a great deal of it comes from research. Before I approached anyone to discuss (via chats or forum postings) it the first time I saw it was in photos. I started looking up photos, stories, websites, articles and books. I have yet to stop learning...or even lose interest in learning. I figured the best thing to do was have some sort of base to start with (however minimal it was). I still believe that is the best way to start.
 
The people that I asked for information were more than helpful once they knew that I'd already done some sort of research on my own. I think if I had just come and said "this sounds cool, tell me about it" they would have snubbed me. Even now I find that people are more than willing to share their knowledge and opinions as long as asked respectfully and it's not just demanded of them.
 
As long as any newbie is willing to put in their fair share then I belive anyone would be more than willing to help. I know that I wouldn't have any problem answering any questions that I could.

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/16/2006 11:49:07 PM   
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I am not very experienced in WIIWD as of yet. I am still only like 3 years into my discovery of being a submissive woman, so as to helping others with advice, I give what I can. I do not expect people to act on my advice though.

I am a natural teacher. I feel like this is my life path in a spiritual way. Some people are leaders, others are healers, some are creators, some are artists, I am a teacher. I love to be of service in this way. If I can pull a fact out my ass and help someone I do. I say this because I do not expect people to learn what I have presented to them, and I do not assume that I am the end all, be all of information, advice, or truth.

If I can help someone, or be uplifting to them in a mentor sort of way I find it fulfilling, but people do as they need to do. They have their own truths to explore, if I can give input to them to help them I do. If they choose something else for their life than I would think they should I let it go. I do not get caught up and personalize other people's dramas and traumas. But that is me and I could be wrong.

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/16/2006 11:54:57 PM   
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Compared to many on the site, despite the post count I have, I'm sure I'm still considered a 'newbie'.  D/s relationships (romantically) are all I've known and have been involved for the past 4 years...yes, I started young   Due to that, and the fact that my experiences may be similar but will never be identical to another's, I 'help' with any topic I can just by adding my POV or opinion, or glimpse at an experience I've had that feels relevant.

Maybe after a while, I won't feel like doing it any more, but I doubt it.  It's just part of my personality.  I like to help people when I can, even if it's just to be there to listen.  Whether I do so online, or in my real life, it's just part of who I am.

That said, I only put effort in with someone I feel will accept it.  If they won't, I don't stick around and try to force it on them.  They either want it or they don't.  If they don't, then it saves us both time by not bothering I guess

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/16/2006 11:56:29 PM   
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If you've already had a run-in with LRODANDMASTER, you ain't a newbie.

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Compared to many on the site, despite the post count I have, I'm sure I'm still considered a 'newbie'.

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/17/2006 12:03:51 AM   
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It's my most cherished CM memory, and always will be...we shared a precious moment in that thread *swoons*

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/17/2006 11:14:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: YoungBlondeSlave

I think when it comes to helping newbies (I've been involved since I was 19 and I'm 24 now, I still consider myself a newbie) it partially comes from camaraderie and postings. However a great deal of it comes from research. Before I approached anyone to discuss (via chats or forum postings) it the first time I saw it was in photos. I started looking up photos, stories, websites, articles and books. I have yet to stop learning...or even lose interest in learning. I figured the best thing to do was have some sort of base to start with (however minimal it was). I still believe that is the best way to start.
 
The people that I asked for information were more than helpful once they knew that I'd already done some sort of research on my own. I think if I had just come and said "this sounds cool, tell me about it" they would have snubbed me. Even now I find that people are more than willing to share their knowledge and opinions as long as asked respectfully and it's not just demanded of them.
 
As long as any newbie is willing to put in their fair share then I belive anyone would be more than willing to help. I know that I wouldn't have any problem answering any questions that I could.


We all should never stop learning ..... wether sub slave Dom Master whatever your "role" ..... to stop learning is just wrong . I often sit and have conversations with other Masters and learn new things . or techniques I didn't know before.
Learning and exploring is how we grow and to stop makes us become stagnate like the water on a pond



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RE: Helping newbies - 6/17/2006 8:12:56 PM   
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Tamer thats a good point. Along with yours and ilive's political stance it kinda rang true with a really good song that I love... < Lyrics below >
 
I wanted to say thank you to those who have posted here and shared their experiences and their views. ( as I know I have missed direct replies to several of you )
 
Gazing through the window at the world outside
Wondering will mother earth survive
Hoping that mankind will stop abusing her, sometime

After all theres only just the two of us
And here we are still fighting for our lives
Watching all of history repeat itself, time after time

Im just a dreamer, I dream my life away
Im just a dreamer, who dreams of better days

I watch the sun go down like everyone of us
Im hoping that the dawn will bring a sign
A better place for those who will come after us this time

Im just a dreamer, I dream my life away, oh yeah
Im just a dreamer, who dreams of better days

Your higher power may be God or jesus christ
It doesnt really matter much to me
Without each others help there aint no hope for us
Im living in a dream, a fantasy
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

If only we could all just find serenity
It would be nice if we could live as one
When will all this anger, hate and bigotry be gone?

Im just a dreamer, I dream my life away, today
Im just a dreamer, who dreams of better days, ok
Im just a dreamer, whos searching for the way, today
Im just a dreamer, dreaming my life away
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah Ozzy Osborne "Dreamer" 

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/17/2006 8:28:51 PM   
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funny I happen to like that perticular song ....... think I'll go play it since I have his discography

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/17/2006 9:13:18 PM   
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"goddess"... The thread in question was started on the 14th and went 6 pages before being stopped by the mods... I didn't take the time to see if you posted on it or not... if you did, then you should know what was going on and what this thread actually pertains to... if you didn't, then don't "assume" that "everybody" doesn't know whats going on, just because you haven't logged online in a couple of days.

Uh ok.  I read and post on a heck of a lot of threads- I had no idea that this thread was not only started in direct reference to a previous thread, but also had no idea that we should have some prior knowledge OF a thread in order to discuss this one.

I know my responses on this thread have NO reference to any other threads, because I had no idea there was any connection.  I posted about the topic- helping newbies.


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RE: Helping newbies - 6/17/2006 11:40:26 PM   
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uh... yeah... ok

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/18/2006 8:35:53 AM   
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When I posted here, I had no clue that it was in correlation to any other thread either.



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RE: Helping newbies - 6/18/2006 10:25:34 AM   
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While I am still fairly new to the lifestyle, I found that many people on collarme would be blatently rude, especially in accusing me of being a fake and not really into the lifestyle, as I am only 21.  I now have a wonderful Dom and Domme (a married couple who have been in the lifestyle for a long time) and part of the reason I found them was Mistress Jennifer's fury at the insults I was recieving on these boards.

Maggie

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/18/2006 10:37:23 AM   
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it wasnt in correlation to anything else but for those that have read other threads they do know what started me off wondering why I bother....

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/18/2006 10:46:57 AM   
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Maggie,
 
I have seen that happen so many times ( even when others dont want to admit it, so thank you for standing up and saying it happened)I am sorry that you had a rough time about your age. It was a problem that bit me in the ass for a long time as well. I am glad however that you did come out of the situation ok *smiles*. Congrats to you and Yours.
 
~RS~

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/18/2006 11:39:08 AM   
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Never lift a finger to help, until the person asking for assistance, has completed at least one small service for you, that involves pushing away from the keyboard and leaving the house.
If they cannot accomplish that, they their desire to be where they are, far outweighs any other consideration.



Thats a good point, thank you.


Yeah, that is one of the "101 Astoundingly Expensive Lessons I Learned in Gor" or the alternate title; "Excursions in Astronomical Tuition."
It's only been nine years or so.  I suspect that it will stop stinging before a whole lot longer.lofl


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RE: Helping newbies - 6/18/2006 11:45:16 AM   
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one can hope right? lol

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RE: Helping newbies - 6/18/2006 3:17:21 PM   
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I used to do a lot to help out newcomers. I have several years of experience in this lifestyle. I’ve been on every end of the whip. I’ve gone through the "good" and I’ve gone through the "bad". I’ve started up and ran groups, both online, and real time, including munches, and a group with the sole purpose of mentorship. I used to write articles, to educate newcomers, as well as articles to help educate law enforcement, medical practitioners, and friends/family of lifestylists.
Those things used to be important to me. They aren’t anymore and I’m more than willing to hand over the torch to someone else. I’ve become jaded, and here are some of the reasons why.
  • I got tired of giving, and getting nothing in return.
  • I got tired of putting a lot of time and effort into something, only to see it torn to shreds due to internal politics, backbiting, and social cliques.
  • I got to a point where, in the process of educating newcomers, I was spending way too much time focusing on the negative affirmations. (For example, having to say over and over again "We’re not all thin. We’re not all pretty. We’re not all wealthy. We make mistakes. We’re not perfect. We get tired. We get old.) I found that quite often, I was focusing on the negative so much, for the sake of dispelling newcomer myths, that it was beginning to put a bit of a dent in my self-image. I needed to be able to step away from that and spend more time in groups of people where we could focus on positive affirmations, instead of "defending" ourselves for being human.
  • I got tired of repeating the same things over and over again. I felt like I was spending so much time putting on training wheels, that I was never getting a chance to go ride my big girl bike. I needed to be able to move my own encounters forward instead of always feeling like I was at Square 1.
  • I got sick of my words, teachings, and advice falling upon deaf ears. People are going to do what they want, and really, very little, if any, of what I offer is going to change their path one iota.
  • I got tired of fetishists who wrap up their kink in the guise of wanting to learn, when what they really want, is to get laid or get their kink met.


and the #1 reason:
  • I got sick of trying to teach some basic concepts, safety measures, protocol, etc… and having 300 people rush in to say "Just do what you want. There is no true way. Make it up as you go along. There are no definitions. Make up whatever sounds good to you. There are no rules. There is no protocol. There is no lifestyle. There’s no such thing as this and that."

I shrug.
If the only answer we’re supposed to be giving is "Do it however you want". We’re not telling anyone anything they didn’t already know. Why bother even saying it?
If there are no definitions, no protocol, no labels, no titles, no right and wrong way to do things, no rules…
There’s pretty much nothing to teach.



I’d like to add:
My response above was to the OP of this thread. That’s it. I didn’t know of some other dynamic in play. Or some other thread. Or some other soap opera. I don’t know what the situation is with RS. I don’t know what "situation" happened the "other night" with "this person" or whomever. I had hope that this thread was started as a valid question.

It’s really gotten to the point where half the threads here on collarme end up being "so and so" did "such and such" on another forum, in another chat room, or somewhere else outside of collarme and with a specific clique of people. Then one of those persons brings a question onto the collarme forum, in an anonymous manner, another in that clique feels the need to divulge the situation, or part of it, instead of just concentrating on the OP.

It’s getting to the point where I hesitate to post on much of any thread anymore because God only knows whose clique and in-group I’m stepping into. Whose soap opera am I being asked to comment on without even being told it’s a soap opera?

I thought this was a valid question about helping newbies, but as I read on, sure as hell, someone had to step in and start making comments about a specific situation that happened in a specific clique.

Gee, I do believe the whole internal politics, social cliques, and backbiting was one of the things I listed as reasons I stopped helping newcomers in the lifestyle.

Bah, this thread just ended up being one more clique’s online drama.


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RE: Helping newbies - 6/18/2006 3:25:09 PM   
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Since starting here at CM I have seen many people that blatantly oppose helping newbies or that just dont get involved. I wish I could say that I dont understand that, but the more time I have personally invested in trying to help out and watching it get thrown in my face has given me pause to question why I even bother.


reflectivesoul,

I have always tried to help out newbies and give them the best advice I can give them from my experience.  They can do one of two things, either take it or discard it.  Either way I usually don't let it bother me to a point.

We had a party here at the house a few years ago and people came from all over the U.S., there were a lot of newbies, one of them was a pain in the ass.  I have never invited her back.  The others were all pretty nice.

On the other side, one or two of the more experienced were a pain in the ass too. LOL

Edited because I type in Dominese

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