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Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 9:35:37 AM

Marini

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Okay here is some news that is sad but made me smile.

Oklahoma District court judge Mike Norman has sentenced Tyler Alred to attend church every Sunday for the next 10 years among the stipulations of his sentencing.

Norman sentenced Tyler to a 10 year deferred sentence, after Tyler pled guilty to a drunk driving/manslaughter charge.

I think Tyler should not only attend church, but also give lectures on driving impaired/under the influence, to teenagers and young adults.
Considering that someone was killed, I think Tyler got off fairly easy, what say you?

Youth sentenced to attend church for the next 10 years

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 9:44:57 AM

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Seems its part of a probation agreement. I do agree that lectures should have been included.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 9:53:29 AM

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Probation or not, I think this blurs the line between church and state.

What if the defendant was an atheist? Would this judge have been in his right to send a non-religious person to church? And how will they know if the kid attends every Sunday?

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 9:54:09 AM

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Its a probation agreement, the defendant.. or more likely the parents... had to agree. He killed someone. Im sure they all saw this as the better of two evils.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 10:02:27 AM

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And if he converts to a faith that has holy services on some day other than Sunday does he then go to jail?

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 10:03:54 AM

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Doubtful, the agreement can be amended.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 10:23:43 AM

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quote:

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Probation or not, I think this blurs the line between church and state.

What if the defendant was an atheist? Would this judge have been in his right to send a non-religious person to church? And how will they know if the kid attends every Sunday?

I agree this does blur the lines between church and state.
The young man could refuse and go to jail for around 10-20 on a manslaughter
conviction.
They will know if he attends church or not!
lol He will be well known at that church!

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 11:29:25 AM

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Interesting story. I hope he appreciates and makes the most of his second chance.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 11:30:48 AM

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I'll bet the kid and his parents would have agreed for him to convert and attend a Mosque for 10 years rather then go to prison. This agreement and judgment is wrong and in my view against the principle if not the word of the Constitution.

I detest religion in any thing but home, church, and my private actions and beliefs. Laws and their application should neither use or mention any religion or belief.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 3:17:54 PM

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If the man who chose to kill my high school boyfriend by driving drunk had gotten off with going to church.....I would have been pissed. I guess killing someone isn't as big a deal if you do it with a car.

That being said....if someone had then been mad because the poor murderer had to go to church without so much as caring that my boyfriend was DEAD....I would be livid. Somebody has no more rights to ANYTHING because they were murdered....maybe we need to think about where our righteous anger out to be placed.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 3:42:55 PM

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This wasnt a man.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 3:46:37 PM

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the boy should be in jail. i hardly think going to church for a couple of hours on sunday is an adequate punishment for taking someone's life.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 3:56:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This wasnt a man.

Surely it hardly matters Tazzy.

In the UK he would have gone to jail. Church one day a week seems a million more favourable to the driver but unjust, let alone unfair, on the victim.

Cordelias post is spot on.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 3:57:09 PM

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I think a far better punishment, if he really must avoid jail, is no more driving licences.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 4:06:25 PM

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Polite.... Sounds like even the victim's family is on board with this.

The judge could have sent Alred to jail but, instead, taking into account his clean criminal and school records, sentenced him to wear a drug and alcohol bracelet, participate in counseling groups and attend a church of his choosing – weekly. He must also graduate from high school.

To avoid jail time, Norman gave Alred a maximum 10-year deferred sentence.

He’d never passed down the church-attendance requirement for someone as young as Alred, said Norman, who has worked as a district Judge in Muskogee for 14 years.

“It’s not going to be automatic, I guarantee you,” Norman said of the church sentence on future manslaughter charges. “There are a lot of people who say I can’t do what I did. They’re telling me I can’t legally sentence someone to church.”

Alred’s lawyer is not among the critics. “I usually represent outlaws and criminals,” defense attorney Donn Baker told the Muskogee Phoenix. “This is a kid that made a mistake. I think he’s worth saving.”

In the courtroom this week, an emotional scene between the victim’s family and Alred played out after statements from Dum’s mother, father and two sisters were read during the sentencing. Dum’s father and Alred stood up in court, turned toward each other and embraced one another.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/oklahoma-judge-sentences-teen-to-church-for-10-years/

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 4:13:59 PM

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And, in another report of the incident....

Norman read off a list of conditions Alred must comply with, or face time in prison.

• Graduate high school;

• Graduate from welding school;

• Take drug and alcohol assessment and submit to drug, alcohol and nicotine tests for a year;

• Wear a drug and alcohol bracelet;

• Take part in victim’s impact panels; and

• Attend church for 10 years.

Alred pleaded guilty in August.

Before the sentencing was read, four victim impact statements from members of the Dum family were read. All expressed various degrees of anger at Dum’s loss, and the desire to see Alred learn from the crash.

Alred’s attorney, Donn Baker, echoed something Dum’s sister, Caitlin, said in her victim’s statement. Caitlin said: “We don’t need to see two lives wasted for a mistake.”

Baker told Norman Alred’s life was hanging in the balance.

“The issue you have, judge, is whether we’re going to destroy two lives,” Baker said. “One we can’t do anything about. The other, like they said, you’re the judge, so it’s up to you.

“I usually represent outlaws, and criminals. This is a kid that made a mistake. Judge, I think he’s worth saving.”

http://muskogeephoenix.com/local/x1021804092/No-jail-time-for-teen-in-fatality

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 4:39:35 PM

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I think this is wrong on soooo many levels.

Not only is the judge foisting his religious beliefs unto someone else but, he's using the threat of a ten year jail sentence to do so.

Unless I read the article incorrectly, he "set" the young man up with his pastor. Well, if this is one of those churches that has almost weekly sermons on the tithe (giving ten percent of everything you earn to the church), I'd be calling for an investigation to see if there's some kick backs going on (by his own admission, he's done this before).

No, this reaks of violation of the Constitution and it stinks (on ice), in general.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 4:42:45 PM

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quote:

The church requirement is just one of the conditions that Norman placed on Alred's deferred sentence. The judge also ordered him to finish high school and complete welding school. Both Alred's attorney and the victim's family agreed to the terms of the sentence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/20/tyler-alred-sentenced-to-church-oklahoma-judge-defends_n_2162593.html

Seems to me the victim's family considers this justice. For myself, its not my place to tell them they are wrong.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 4:57:42 PM

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According to the reports, he was under the legal limit on the breathalizer, so he wasn't drunk, but had been drinking under age. Considering that, I think the accident was more likely caused by lack of experience behind the wheel, therefore I don't see jail time doing the kid any good.

As far as the sentencing, accidentally killing a friend is punishment enough. The judge probably figured that keeping the kid on the straight and narrow (no underage drinking, finishing school etc) by going to church was the most positive option for a really unfortunate situation. I read somewhere that the kid was a church-goer to begin with. In this particular case, I don't see it as an outrageous decision.

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RE: Judge sentences teen to church - 11/24/2012 6:17:06 PM

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First, I commend the judge. I like the idea.

Second, I'm sure the pastor priest had to agree to it and the boy must check in with him or her every Sunday or he has some kind of anklet that shows his coordinates. If his service is held on another day the agreement can be amendment. The judge is not forcing him to go to church. His family and he agreed to it. Either go to jail or to church...take your pick.

Personally I also think the boy should have to give lectures to school children, attend AA or another similar rehab.

When the girl who killed my husband by drunk driving, she was simply given 6 years in jail and only served 2 years. From what I heard way back when it happened, she only felt sorry that she went to prison, not for the killing. What did she get from the sentence? Nothing. I don't think jail is always a good solution.

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