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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/25/2012 11:29:36 PM   
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Just a general thought on the title of this thread... appropriate or not mental health issues happen in every part of human society, short and long term and rarely (and usually with much less ability to control it) deadly. Whatever issues any given person has they should surround themselves with the people they love and trust, just like everyone does. In our culture you take a pill or see a therapist, in our subculture we often use other methods, it's not the only group that does and 'brainwashing or reprograming' through endorphin states or otherwise has as many good applications as bad ones. It's how we keep a well trained military, it's how the top "1%" keep their children in line and their fortunes in the family, and do not doubt it works. We're a lot harder than animals to teach a new trick, but it can be done. Healing your internal issues (for the most part) is very possible, and common enough in places where the public has no access to the meds we eat here. Don't get me wrong, chemicals can help as well. I just dislike the method and it's side effects and prefer those things which I consider more reliable and less damaging, and there's no harm in knowing the willing have better chances of success.
The saying about different strokes for different folks is true and nothing works 100% on everyone. My only advice is to never stop trying and researching things, always triple check your facts, and be VERY VERY careful who you trust your brain to.

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 5:52:20 AM   
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Nelee tryptophan (the sleepy stuff in turkey) is a depressant. I've recently been goinng through tons of tests learning to un-do the damage malabsorption has done to my body. Nothing like discovering every meal for my entire life has been what made me tired & sick.
While I understand "family programming" following moms bad idea has turned your life to a point that you could die!! You do realize death from malnutrition happens even at major universities? This sacrifice yourself for others thing COULD KILL YOU!! What help are you to family, their bills or their needs then?
I'm going with tell the school therapist the whole truth..the not eating, the why & ALL of families issues. The weight of providing for everyone else while going to school is killing you!

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 6:50:53 AM   
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Depends on what the issues are, and their severity. I've heard of some people with untreated bipolar that cannot function. Paranoia, delusion. I've known some with DID/MPD that were borderline functional. Then I know some who have depression, and it reduces their energy some a few days per month, and others who have depression to the point where they cannot function.

This would be the highlight reel of those I would think at least should be "lifestyle sidelined" for a while. An unmedicated delusional bi-polar in my opinion has no business near tools of the trade or potential victims.

Eta spelling f'n blackberry


Oops. Clarification. I have known these people, but have had relationships with very few. The unmedicated delusional bipolar was my sub's son, who thankfully is now on meds and fully functioning.


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This is one of the things I'm very conflicted with... I'm so used to "keeping things to myself" that I'm not sure what is alright to divulge, and what is not. Of course I should, "Tell them everything!". But the way I WANT to see it is that obvious things should definitely be told, but if it's something that I'm able to keep under control, then there isn't a reason to let them know because it isn't an issue. I know that's terribly dishonest, and I'm not saying that it's right. But it's something that I'm constantly conflicted with.

I should perhaps start taking better care of myself and thinking of what I can do to keep better care of myself in the future more often.


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2. I'm glad that you're taking better care of yourself. Starvation can induce depression.

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 12:53:36 PM   
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Yes, mental illness makes so many things potential minefields that otherwise would not be. I think it is fair for a person to know what they are signing up for in the fairly early going. You are so much more than your diagnosis and you deserve to be seen for all that you are first. At the same time, this is a hard thing to deal with and it is only fair to allow a potential new partner to evaluate things for themselves before too much is invested. While you are talking about this, make sure you are able to show all the hard work you have already put into being healthy, what you are doing now, and what your plans are in the future. It is a show of good faith that your choice is to be as healthy as possible. If you haven't sought help yet, do so now. If you aren't getting adequate help, start looking for a new caretaker now. If you are stable and doing well, faithfully keep at it.

I wish you the best in this. It is a hard thing. Please feel free to pm if you need anything. Take care!

SD


...but if it's something that I'm able to keep under control, then there isn't a reason to let them know because it isn't an issue...

I should perhaps start taking better care of myself and thinking of what I can do to keep better care of myself in the future more often.



I wanted to take a minute to address the first part of the quote as I edited it. I had some people very close to me in my life who dealt with very real, serious mental illness. Some things were well controlled on their treatment plan while others were more consistently in need of constant attention. Those in need of constant attention, sure, those, need to be the first things you mention with regard to your condition because they will have more immediate and cumulative effects on your relationship, but the rest still needs addressing at some point. My experience has been that controlled portions of a mental illness, just like many other illnesses can resurface or become resistant to current treatment. While they are not an issue right now, they can become one at any given time. Your partner deserves to know the WHOLE truth. It's hard, but it's fair.

I am glad to hear you are taking better care of yourself. You are worth caring for too. Eat, sleep, keep stress in check, and get some good exercise and sunlight every single day. It helps everything.

SD

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 1:20:46 PM   
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Dude, go talk to a pro.
And I'm saying this is a cat who spent a decade working in the field of mental health.
You have nothing to lose (Except maybe pride, and that shit just kills anyhow) and the world to gain.
So run, don't walk to someone who can help.
We are just lay folk, the best we can do is share an experience, offer some feedback.
Anything beyond that is a felony-it's called practicing medicine without a license. The Feds frown upon such things, kinda harshly too :-)
But a good doc, they just may be able to do worlds of good.


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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 2:41:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SacredDepravity


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ORIGINAL: Nelee


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ORIGINAL: SacredDepravity

Yes, mental illness makes so many things potential minefields that otherwise would not be. I think it is fair for a person to know what they are signing up for in the fairly early going. You are so much more than your diagnosis and you deserve to be seen for all that you are first. At the same time, this is a hard thing to deal with and it is only fair to allow a potential new partner to evaluate things for themselves before too much is invested. While you are talking about this, make sure you are able to show all the hard work you have already put into being healthy, what you are doing now, and what your plans are in the future. It is a show of good faith that your choice is to be as healthy as possible. If you haven't sought help yet, do so now. If you aren't getting adequate help, start looking for a new caretaker now. If you are stable and doing well, faithfully keep at it.

I wish you the best in this. It is a hard thing. Please feel free to pm if you need anything. Take care!

SD


...but if it's something that I'm able to keep under control, then there isn't a reason to let them know because it isn't an issue...

I should perhaps start taking better care of myself and thinking of what I can do to keep better care of myself in the future more often.



I wanted to take a minute to address the first part of the quote as I edited it. I had some people very close to me in my life who dealt with very real, serious mental illness. Some things were well controlled on their treatment plan while others were more consistently in need of constant attention. Those in need of constant attention, sure, those, need to be the first things you mention with regard to your condition because they will have more immediate and cumulative effects on your relationship, but the rest still needs addressing at some point. My experience has been that controlled portions of a mental illness, just like many other illnesses can resurface or become resistant to current treatment. While they are not an issue right now, they can become one at any given time. Your partner deserves to know the WHOLE truth. It's hard, but it's fair.

I am glad to hear you are taking better care of yourself. You are worth caring for too. Eat, sleep, keep stress in check, and get some good exercise and sunlight every single day. It helps everything.

SD



For SAFETY's SAKE, yes, you need to give your partner FULL DISCLOSURE about any mental illness you suffer from, otherwise it's NOT a safe environment for either of you.

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 2:49:29 PM   
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Seeing a therapist who specializes in BDSM is a big help to me.

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 3:31:17 PM   
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The thing I'm worried about is even now, there are some "hang ups" I have subconsciously that don't show up until I'm in a certain situation. I feel that it's unfair that my partner has to deal with that simply because I have these issues.


I'm going to give you lots of concrete examples so perhaps you can turn your concept into specifics.

I give potential partners lots of information starting with "I have chemical sensitivities; please do not wear cologne" before our first date. Before the first time we have sex, I let them know that I do not orgasm from penis/vagina intercourse and that my last few scenes ended badly because they did not pay attention when I yellowed.

Say, for example, things like being slapped in the face trigger you in an unhealthy manner - it's your responsibility to let your partner know this ahead of time. If you discover new triggers every time you play, let them know this too. If you tend to cry, let them know this and not to take this personally.

Also discuss aftercare - I tell them ahead of time I'll be wanting to cuddle. I get dehydrated and hungry, so bring Vitamin Water, nuts, and chocolate. Sometimes I get cold, so I bring layers.

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 8:09:04 PM   
Nelee


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Nelee tryptophan (the sleepy stuff in turkey) is a depressant. I've recently been goinng through tons of tests learning to un-do the damage malabsorption has done to my body. Nothing like discovering every meal for my entire life has been what made me tired & sick.
While I understand "family programming" following moms bad idea has turned your life to a point that you could die!! You do realize death from malnutrition happens even at major universities? This sacrifice yourself for others thing COULD KILL YOU!! What help are you to family, their bills or their needs then?
I'm going with tell the school therapist the whole truth..the not eating, the why & ALL of families issues. The weight of providing for everyone else while going to school is killing you!


Ah, no worries! I don't eat meat anyway. I can't digest it very well, so I didn't go near it. Honestly, all I ate over thanksgiving was dressing... That's the only thing that I eat, other than vegetables. Depression is just a family thing. We all have to deal with it. It just usually isn't as bad as it has been :/
And, yeah... Goodness, it's hard to do, but yeah, I definitely have to. Thanks so much, and don't worry, I am taking steps to try and get myself back to top form! I put in a form at the counseling suite today, so I guess it's just a matter of time until they contact me.


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ORIGINAL: SacredDepravity

My experience has been that controlled portions of a mental illness, just like many other illnesses can resurface or become resistant to current treatment. While they are not an issue right now, they can become one at any given time. Your partner deserves to know the WHOLE truth. It's hard, but it's fair.


That is very true. That's something that I'm constantly fearful about, and that's why a good bit of the time, I feel I shouldn't even put myself in the position of being with someone, since I'm not sure if I can keep my issues under control. But if I'm just completely honest about it, we can at least try and get a plan and work something out together.


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

The thing I'm worried about is even now, there are some "hang ups" I have subconsciously that don't show up until I'm in a certain situation. I feel that it's unfair that my partner has to deal with that simply because I have these issues.


I'm going to give you lots of concrete examples so perhaps you can turn your concept into specifics.

I give potential partners lots of information starting with "I have chemical sensitivities; please do not wear cologne" before our first date. Before the first time we have sex, I let them know that I do not orgasm from penis/vagina intercourse and that my last few scenes ended badly because they did not pay attention when I yellowed.

Say, for example, things like being slapped in the face trigger you in an unhealthy manner - it's your responsibility to let your partner know this ahead of time. If you discover new triggers every time you play, let them know this too. If you tend to cry, let them know this and not to take this personally.

Also discuss aftercare - I tell them ahead of time I'll be wanting to cuddle. I get dehydrated and hungry, so bring Vitamin Water, nuts, and chocolate. Sometimes I get cold, so I bring layers.


Ah! Those are all really good! Yes, these are things closer to what I'm talking about! I've never really gone about it that way, though. I usually just try to either tell myself to get over it, or I'll do whatever has been helping me cope so far (which sometimes doesn't work). But I definitely need to communicate more.


Guys, you have no idea how amazing you've been since I've gotten here! Thank you so much for helping me and talking me through things. I'm sorry if I'm been annoying, or I've been using the forums inappropriately. Yeah, I'll make sure to get a (BDSM friendly) professional's help, and hopefully the school's counseling center will contact me soon.

You really do not understand how grateful I am to all of you!

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 8:39:08 PM   
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From what I'm deducting from your posts lately, it seems more of your problems stem from not being vulnerable, not wanting to be a burden to someone else and feeling like you can only rely upon yourself and no one else.

I used to be that way, still am somewhat, but if you want a long term, loving, relationship, then you need to open yourself up. This is not a bdsm thing, this is a relationship thing. Both parties have to be able to communicate openly and honestly. You have to show your raw emotions. If you don't learn to do this, then neither of you can really get to know each other on that deep, intimate level that we all want.

Remind yourself that he is not going to hurt you (and even if he does, don't let it close you up again and become bitter and jaded. Just take it and let it roll off of your back. Don't let it add to the weight on your back). Let your walls down. Give in and let go and you will find that rock upon your back being lifted away and you will feel as if you can finally stand straight.

Meditation is a great way to do this or going to church or just even talking to someone you trust completely, maybe a friend or family member. And once you are in a relationship, you will have him to go to for all your problems and when you need help, etc....and he will have you. This is what people do who love each other and care for each other.

Good luck and I hope all goes well with your counselor.


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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 9:21:15 PM   
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I met this sub on That Other Site, and we clicked. Lots of messaging, LOTS of phone calls, then a vanilla dinner-date. It was very cool. We really hit it off.

We met for a play date. We played. We fucked. It was terrific.

I called to thank her the next day, and got her voicemail. I left a message. I sent her an email. I didn't get any kind of response for several days. I left a couple voicemails over the next week, and a few emails.

It tapered off.

A couple weeks later, just 'cause, I sent her a text. I got one back, and then replied again, asking if she was free to talk. She called.

She was in a mental facility, drying out and recovering from a suicide attempt she had made the day following our tryst.

If you've never had someone try to off themselves following sex with you, let me say that it's kind of flattering.

And really, really disturbing.

You want creepy? It wasn't so disturbing I didn't try to reconnect with her, after she got out.

Ahem.

A few truisms:

- Men are pigs.

- Crazy will fuck you good. And crazy will fuck you, good.

- A good lay has the keys to the kingdom.

- A psycho chick could paint her belly that orange color Nature uses to warn creatures of toxic salamanders...and men would still line up to see her tits. See Point the First.


OP, don't stress it. By age 17, every straight man has figured out that it's not a matter of Is She Crazy?, but that it's a matter of How Crazy Is She? and How Does It Manifest Itself? and Can I Live With That?

There is someone who really, really wants your brand of crazy. You have the cyberwebnets: you can find them. And even if that person is one in a million...there are six fucking billion people on this planet: that means that there are a thousand others just like 'em.

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 9:50:14 PM   
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Wow! That was some truly special advice.


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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 9:57:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nelee

I don't eat meat anyway. I can't digest it very well, so I didn't go near it. Honestly, all I ate over thanksgiving was dressing... That's the only thing that I eat, other than vegetables.


Nelee, not eating meat is fine. But you need some protein to make up for it. Dairy, tofu, or grains and beans. Your diet is too sparse anyway. Ever read Diet For a Small Planet? It talks about ways to get adequate protein on a vegetarian diet.

Kiddo, you need to have all of us kinksters adopt you.

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 10:00:32 PM   
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Well that explains a lot.

That's all I'm saying.

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/26/2012 11:46:00 PM   
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Thanks, lw-- once again, you have offered a post that is in no way personal, and both contributes to the overall discussion while sharing something of your own experience and insight; it is a shining example of why this board is so completely free of groupthink and insular singlemindedness, and welcoming to all voices and perspectives.

Well done. You should be proud.

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/27/2012 6:38:47 AM   
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If you've never had someone try to off themselves following sex with you, let me say that it's kind of flattering.


No. No, it is not flattering by any stretch of the imagination. If someone attempts suicide they've got a lot going on in their head. It is probably not about a play partner, and if it is, then it speaks volumes about the person they played with, none of it holding a positive light.

You mentioned that you hit it off with her, and indicated that you hooked back up with her (I would hope, non-sexually). Did you follow up to see if she was ok?



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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/27/2012 7:53:09 AM   
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Wow! That was some truly special advice.

Yet so deeply disturbing!

So descrite would you say sex with you causes insanity or is it that absence of your penis that causes suicide attempts?? Inquiring minds want to know

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/27/2012 7:59:02 AM   
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Kiddo, you need to have all of us kinksters adopt you.

She's so cute & little we can carry her around in those little purses, dress her in tiaras with diamond collars & let her live with paris hilton...scratch that no animal deserves to live with paris hilton

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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/27/2012 8:10:34 AM   
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Well done. You should be proud.


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RE: Mental issues... Suitable for the BDSM lifestyle? - 11/27/2012 1:59:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: descrite

I met this sub on That Other Site, and we clicked. Lots of messaging, LOTS of phone calls, then a vanilla dinner-date. It was very cool. We really hit it off.

We met for a play date. We played. We fucked. It was terrific.

I called to thank her the next day, and got her voicemail. I left a message. I sent her an email. I didn't get any kind of response for several days. I left a couple voicemails over the next week, and a few emails.

It tapered off.

A couple weeks later, just 'cause, I sent her a text. I got one back, and then replied again, asking if she was free to talk. She called.

She was in a mental facility, drying out and recovering from a suicide attempt she had made the day following our tryst.

If you've never had someone try to off themselves following sex with you, let me say that it's kind of flattering.

And really, really disturbing.

You want creepy? It wasn't so disturbing I didn't try to reconnect with her, after she got out.

Ahem.

A few truisms:

- Men are pigs.

- Crazy will fuck you good. And crazy will fuck you, good.

- A good lay has the keys to the kingdom.

- A psycho chick could paint her belly that orange color Nature uses to warn creatures of toxic salamanders...and men would still line up to see her tits. See Point the First.


OP, don't stress it. By age 17, every straight man has figured out that it's not a matter of Is She Crazy?, but that it's a matter of How Crazy Is She? and How Does It Manifest Itself? and Can I Live With That?

There is someone who really, really wants your brand of crazy. You have the cyberwebnets: you can find them. And even if that person is one in a million...there are six fucking billion people on this planet: that means that there are a thousand others just like 'em.


I'm actually kinda speechless.

Though I am left wondering how in the world someone could take their partner attempting to off themselves post coitus as flattering.
Not to mention trying to hook back up with her when she hit the streets again.
At least I'm not wondering one thing, cuz out of the two of ya, I damn well know who's the crazier


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