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Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 3:55:21 PM   
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Recently my Mistress has been speaking with a few male subs. During the course of several conversations the subject of wearing a collar and being tattooed comes up as this is how they (a Dom/Domme couple) choose to mark those they own.

Mind you this is not done casually; to all of us here a collar is serious, much like a wedding ring. Master and Mistress both have collared others, male and female (Master IS straight), though i am the first they have marked with a tattoo which matches their own.

My curiosity is now aroused by the various reactions the possibility of being kept in a 24/7  locked collar and eventual tattooing has drawn.

Of fellow subs/slaves  i would like to know how are you marked, how do you feel about some sort of mark of ownership other than a collar?

Of owners i would like to ask how do you mark your slaves? What type if any of permanent marking would you employ? What kind of reactions has this drawn from your perspective subs/slaves?




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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 4:04:03 PM   
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Depending on the servant, when a servant becomes a member of the core of the family (which is something that happens over an extended period of time) he or she is marked either with our Sygil (which you can see here, in the upper left corner of the image map, or they are branded with a unique brand, created for that particular servant. Some servants don't do well with branding, or are physically unable to handle it.

If we were to have a servant who could not wear a brand -or- a tattoo, we would consider, in descending order, a piercing, a constantly renewed henna tattoo that was as close to our sygil as we could get it, or placing a welded ankle ring or wrist ring, or something like shaving his or her head.

By the time our servants get to the point where they've earned a permanent marking, most of them have been ecstatic. We don't use it for new or intermediate-level servants, so we haven't had to deal with those who are concerned that they might be wearing a marking that they won't want after a while. We've had -outsiders- question whether we have the "right" to mark our servants like this... but we don't spend a lot of time worrying about what outsiders think about our family, so we hear it, but it doesn't really change anything.

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 4:17:25 PM   
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I am in the processing of having a metal collar made for my sub and I'm getting a matching bracelet on which Ill hold the key to his chastity device We are also getting matching tattoos that I designed next month. That is all I ask for as far as markings to show that he is indeed my sub.

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 4:20:32 PM   
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I'm a little undecided on this one.  If i was positive that the relationship was going to be long term then i would have no problem with it providing it was a tattoo that we both chose and had no names etc on. On the other hand i'm not sure i could cope with the constant reminder of that person if something went wrong. Again a name or something like that would certainly not be a permanent reminder i'd want.
I'm pretty sure about 99% that i wouldnt go for a marking of any other kind, for example a brand of any kind.

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 4:24:56 PM   
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i am collared and tattoed :)



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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 4:31:43 PM   
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i am collared and tattoed :)




Yep she is - with more to come in the near future! Mine! :D


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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 4:43:12 PM   
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Right now, my nipple rings mean more to me than my collar. They are the product of  me actually submitting to Master in an area I was really quite "resistant" to. Master has marked me, in the form of a temporary cutting, (lasted about 6 months), that was quite significant to me too..I felt dissapointed as the marking gradually faded...so I can only imagine how I would feel about a tattoo combined with the fact tattoos have been another area of resistancy within myself. I do love marks, carrying the imprints of his ownership of me on my body is an awesome thing.

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 4:51:14 PM   
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While I am involved with someone I am not currently collared although there is one waiting for me. We are working through some previous issues etc.. However, we've talked at about markings and slrn and to be honest I can't wait until I can get his permenant marking upon my body. I too take collaring seriously as does he so when it happens I know that it will be well worth it!

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 4:55:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slavejali

so I can only imagine how I would feel about a tattoo combined with the fact tattoos have been another area of resistancy within myself. I do love marks, carrying the imprints of his ownership of me on my body is an awesome thing.


Then you need a tattoo, jali.


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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 4:59:13 PM   
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Original: Sab
Then you need a tattoo, jali.


I think you may be right


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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 5:08:30 PM   
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If you would like one designing, please feel free to contact sabswife, jali. She will do an excellent job for you and your Master. 

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 5:37:04 PM   
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I have been thinking about tattooing recently. Something I NEVER thought I would do, but things and times change don't they? Anyway, just curious but where do most subs get a tattoo put on their bodies? I gather it's up to the person but I would be interested in knowing where the "norm" is.

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 5:43:09 PM   
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Personally, I don't have any interest in a permanent marking.  I really don't care for piercings or tattoos, much less brands or scarification.  It is such a hard limit for me, that it is a deal breaker.  I find them redundant anyway.  But that's just my personal feeling.

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 5:44:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Littlepita

I have been thinking about tattooing recently. Something I NEVER thought I would do, but things and times change don't they? Anyway, just curious but where do most subs get a tattoo put on their bodies? I gather it's up to the person but I would be interested in knowing where the "norm" is.


There isn't a 'norm' as I know it, pita - what I can tell you is that at the moment wife has a tattoo on the small of her back. She will be getting another around her ankle, up the side of her calf and my name (real world one, because I want that) on the back of her neck.

Where you, with negotiation if you have a Dom, want a tattoo putting is really up to you and he.


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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 5:47:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: feastie

Personally, I don't have any interest in a permanent marking.  I really don't care for piercings or tattoos, much less brands or scarification.  It is such a hard limit for me, that it is a deal breaker.  I find them redundant anyway.  But that's just my personal feeling.


Hard limit is hard limit - has to be respected.


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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 6:51:30 PM   
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A permanent mark is not to be undertaken lightly.  I have known quite a few who were marked, then lost their Master.  The mark was an additional emotional burden in most of those cases. 

I still like the idea of markiing my property, but I would not consider doing it until after at least a full year of 24/7 in the collar.  I have a design suitable for a tattoo that was created for me long ago by an artist friend which I would use.  I would place it somewhere rather discrete; I favor the mons Venus or high up on the inner thigh. 

I have seen too many undesireable results from brands to want to go that route.  You really don't know how it is going to turn out till it is healed; nothing like your lovely intended brand turning into a big ugly misshapen keloid scar to put a real damper on the whole experience.

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 7:04:21 PM   
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With very few exceptions I find tattoos ugly and my partners know this. The few decorations I don't find ugly I still find less attractive than unpainted skin. For me to have one applied to a partner, or to apply one to her myself, maybe prison style, would be a grievous punishment--if it were one. It would be a fairly diabolical bit of torture otherwise. The idea of how long and how badly it would hurt her for me to make her less attractive in my eyes, well I'll admit that this prospect is something I can savor sadistically.

To remove a tattoo which someone came to me with would be a better way of marking for my taste. To eliminate what you chose and reduce you to what you are. That has a much nicer conceptual ring. Do they use lasers for that or wire brushes or what?

In extreme physical interaction, marks get left. I've never left one I didn't enjoy, though almost all have been temporary. There is this cool thing you can do with a push-pin which makes it look as though she is wearing old-style seamed stockings for a couple of weeks, for instance (if you're reading this, I miss you sometimes and yeah I know stockings don't usually have seams like that.)

Not counting teeny scars from temporary piercings, the only permanent mark I'm sure I've left (except on their little hearts and souls, of course) was a brand. It was by surprise, un-negotiated, during the woman's first and only visit to me--though we had known one another for a long time. The logistics were such that when it started she didn't know what was causing the pain. Nor when it finished or for several hours afterward for that matter. Since she had never experienced a serious burn it was quite a mysterious phenomenon for her.

It was on the spur of the moment but it would be wrong to say it was on a whim, as the moment it was on the spur of was beyond extrordinary, as is she.

I guess I got lucky because none of the dire consequences constantly trumpeted by the safety police came to pass, and the mark endures. The gift keeps on giving (to each of us) in that touching the brand is incorporated into a daily ritual which she periodically takes the trouble to write and thank me for. The ritual is a lovely thing if I say so myself, inspired by the Sign of the Cross, but yet quite distinct and with a novel and much more handy source of holy water.

I wonder if you would mind, twicehappy, if I extended the thread topic to include a request for reports of ways that people may have made tattoos or other marks something more than a static signifier. I think this is still in keeping with your original requests.

Has anyone else incorporated them into ritual or used/adapted them in ways I'm not clever enough to anticipate but might enjoy hearing about? I mean besides the now-trite gratuitously shocking word placed so as to be publicly visible (though come to think of it, on someone who abhorred triteness beyond rudeness this old idea could be re-invigorated.)



I'll edit this question out to a new thread if you would prefer, twicehappy.

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 7:05:30 PM   
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from my point of view . I have many tattoos . all designed by me and significant too me . they tell a history orsomething about me ...
 
 If I choose to mark a slave with a tattoo it will be something I design and will have significant meaning to remind her that she is mine . she and I will be the only ones who know that it means I own her body and soul. To those who want to know ... yes . that perticular tattoo is already drawn adn waiting to be applied to some tender white flesh

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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 7:14:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Noah

With very few exceptions I find tattoos ugly and my partners know this. The few decorations I don't find ugly I still find less attractive than unpainted skin. For me to have one applied to a partner, or to apply one to her myself, maybe prison style, would be a grievous punishment--if it were one. It would be a fairly diabolical bit of torture otherwise. The idea of how long and how badly it would hurt her for me to make her less attractive in my eyes, well I'll admit that this prospect is something I can savor sadistically.

To remove a tattoo which someone came to me with would be a better way of marking for my taste. To eliminate what you chose and reduce you to what you are. That has a much nicer conceptual ring. Do they use lasers for that or wire brushes or what?

In extreme physical interaction, marks get left. I've never left one I didn't enjoy, though almost all have been temporary. There is this cool thing you can do with a push-pin which makes it look as though she is wearing old-style seamed stockings for a couple of weeks, for instance (if you're reading this, I miss you sometimes and yeah I know stockings don't usually have seams like that.)

Not counting teeny scars from temporary piercings, the only permanent mark I'm sure I've left (except on their little hearts and souls, of course) was a brand. It was by surprise, un-negotiated, during the woman's first and only visit to me--though we had known one another for a long time. The logistics were such that when it started she didn't know what was causing the pain. Nor when it finished or for several hours afterward for that matter. Since she had never experienced a serious burn it was quite a mysterious phenomenon for her.

It was on the spur of the moment but it would be wrong to say it was on a whim, as the moment it was on the spur of was beyond extrordinary, as is she.

I guess I got lucky because none of the dire consequences constantly trumpeted by the safety police came to pass, and the mark endures. The gift keeps on giving (to each of us) in that touching the brand is incorporated into a daily ritual which she periodically takes the trouble to write and thank me for. The ritual is a lovely thing if I say so myself, inspired by the Sign of the Cross, but yet quite distinct and with a novel and much more handy source of holy water.

I wonder if you would mind, twicehappy, if I extended the thread topic to include a request for reports of ways that people may have made tattoos or other marks something more than a static signifier. I think this is still in keeping with your original requests.

Has anyone else incorporated them into ritual or used/adapted them in ways I'm not clever enough to anticipate but might enjoy hearing about? I mean besides the now-trite gratuitously shocking word placed so as to be publicly visible (though come to think of it, on someone who abhorred triteness beyond rudeness this old idea could be re-invigorated.)



I'll edit this question out to a new thread if you would prefer, twicehappy.


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RE: Marking your sub/slave - 6/16/2006 7:41:06 PM   
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tattoos, peircings and body mod's that's entirely up to the individual sub/slave who's going to wear them for the rest of their life.

what is the point in marking property that i already own ?
(its not like slave would run away from home and i could reclaim her by telling the police yeah she's wearing my mark i own her. as in the days of the old south 1800's.)

i like piercings and some tattoos are artistic.. but that's for the person that's wanting to wear them. Not something i'd insist on..

a wedding ring.. hmmm in court of law your collar does'nt give you anything.
A wedding ring gives you half of everything.. Your collared to a couple. So your engaging in polygamy and Mistress has all the power of law since she's married to your Master if anything happens.
have you given much thought to what happens when they decide to pick up other slaves or move you out (as you get older and less attractive). rules of palimony don't apply here in most states. so you'd be evicted with no ground to stand on. with the clothes on your back a collar and a tattoo. If they get in a car accident tommorow.. everything goes to their realations and your out in the street with a tattoo. 









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