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That is not the primary objection to polyamorous marriages. The primary objection is that polyamorous marriages cause social instability and that it is bad for the gene pool, resulting in barbarism.

I've never heard of that before.

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My impression is that the primary objection to polyamorous marriages is that such marriages aren't usual, therefore they must be wrong.

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But wherever and whoever said it, it was at a time when no-one knew what the hell a 'gene pool' was, anyway. Of that I'm pretty certain.

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@ Lucy, that was what I saw on facebook that made me think.

The church I used to attend helped anyone pay their who had need of it for the first month. For continued help they needed to be willing to attend a financial management class. it was not a "Bible Beating" meeting; it was practical help from people in the church who were in business or accountants to help them learn to live on the budget they had, whether it be income of assistance.

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15 years ago, when I was living on nothing, $20 bucks looked like food for a week, but a little more would have been better. 10 years ago, the scheduled 10 hours of overtime a week kept my head above water, but if I could have gotten 5 more it would have been better. Now, I want the wife to find a better job, not just because she's bored, and working below her skill level on a crappy schedule, but because the extra money would sure come in handy for some stuff we "need." to do on our house.

And here's another thing. When I was dead broke, what money did pass through my hands would have gone farther if I had quit smoking. When I was working the overtime, I could have saved what I was looking to save faster if I hadn't decided that busting my ass all week entitled me to a six-pack or a bottle of low end bourbon, or a bag for Friday and Saturday nights, and maybe a few games of pool or a movie at the ghetto cheap theater. Right now, we could be skipping the dinners out, and quickie overnight getaways together to buy the materials I need for a complete deck remodel. When I drink, I could be buying the $14 a bottle bourbon, instead of the good stuff that goes for $35.

Once we get past the basics of food, shelter, and the basic neccessities, perception of need becomes about perception of quality of life. I don't think that's going to be a useful standard.

I mean luxury items like, say, FOOD? especially REAL luxury items like fruit or vegetables!!!

also HEAT so you won't freeze to death, and GAS is also great to put into your car.


I know this is another subject, but I am just saying.
I am blessed that I have a fairly good job, but no raise in 5 years, I am sure has seriously hurt many people.
You live in CA, don't you have a lot of city workers that are taking pay cuts?

In my mind, most people, EVEN those of us that work are going backwards Rich.
lol, it's hardly about getting ahead these days, it's about making ends meet, even if you are working.

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That is not the primary objection to polyamorous marriages. The primary objection is that polyamorous marriages cause social instability and that it is bad for the gene pool, resulting in barbarism.

I've never heard of that before. My impression is that the primary objection to polyamorous marriages is that such marriages aren't usual, therefore they must be wrong. It was said in the Bible, or one of the Grimms Fairy Stories (one of the two, I can never remember which).

But wherever and whoever said it, it was at a time when no-one knew what the hell a 'gene pool' was, anyway. Of that I'm pretty certain.

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Rich, what's the answer for people that are working and trying to raise a couple of kids or keep a roof over their head, with most people's income going backwards?

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Rich, what's the answer for people that are working and trying to raise a couple of kids or keep a roof over their head, with most people's income going backwards?

Opportunity, in all of its many forms.

I saw a number the other day that said in a recent one year period, 1,800,000 (rounded up) new jobs were created, and over 700,000 new Social Security Disability cases were approved. Tell me we are on a track to reduce poverty.

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I saw a number the other day that said in a recent one year period, 1,800,000 (rounded up) new jobs were created, and over 700,000 new Social Security Disability cases were approved. Tell me we are on a track to reduce poverty.

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Avoid something they already are knee deep in?

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Maybe you are not getting my point here, Rich.
I am asking what should become of ALL and THE MANY people who do WORK but can't afford to buy food or pay rent?

Do you realize that the middle class, especially the Black middle class is damn near disappearing?

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Avoid something they already are knee deep in?

Thats not what I said..
No way for kids to avoid being poor if their parents are poor but some could make their way out if they were shown how to before leaving home & school.. Not that all will, but the more that can break the cycle of poverty, the less on welfare, less crime, and the more that contribute and teach their kids how to do good also.. But a poor parent doesnt have the knowledge to teach their kids what to do and what not to do (or you would think the parents would be already doing that themselves.. ).. so imo, the schools should be doing more and not assume that the parents are teaching their kids things the parents dont know how to do themselves..

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Please read it, if I can, even though I know you are not a fan of that discussion style.

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Avoid something they already are knee deep in?

Thats not what I said..
No way for kids to avoid being poor if their parents are poor but some could make their way out if they were shown how to before leaving home & school.. Not that all will, but the more that can break the cycle of poverty, the less on welfare, less crime, and the more that contribute and teach their kids how to do good also.. But a poor parent doesnt have the knowledge to teach their kids what to do and what not to do (or you would think the parents would be already doing that themselves.. ).. so imo, the schools should be doing more and not assume that the parents are teaching their kids things the parents dont know how to do themselves..

Many of these kids are taught athletic talent is the ticket out... a few are taught an education is... but most dont seek that route because they are dissuaded as a result of income. Hard, not impossible but very hard, to become a Doctor when no one will give you a loan for education.

And now they want to cut pell grants... one of the ways many poor get any post high school education.