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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 4:57:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006.

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 4:59:50 PM   
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Thats nothing new Peon. Did you see IDS explode when Will Owen had the check to mention someone died, a day after the DWP found him fit to work in one of their so called medicals......... Run by a two bob French firm paid by results ffs...... If you are testing peoples health, and paid by results to fail them, guess which option they end up taking.



I didn't see that one but I *did* see him go into meltdown at Owen Jones on Question Time. (Or maybe we're talking of the same incident?) As for that French company (Atos) who have so 'efficiently' been getting people's benefits cut off, the last I heard was that some of the doctors on their staff were now in danger of getting struck off by the BMC.

FWIW: I'm not in any doubt that this goes back much farther than the present government. The vilification of benefits claimants has been going on for decades, in fact. Some seven years ago a friend of mine, drawing sickness benefits because he was suffering from depression and/or bipolar disorder (they were never clear which), was assessed as a faker and a malingerer by a Social Security psychiatrist. On hearing that verdict, my friend committed suicide. The psychiatrist's report, having arrived that morning, was pinned to his front door.

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 5:17:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe one should post an article a little newer to this one. Seeing how the numbers are those from 2006. These numbers do not include Medicaid expenditures but interest easing enough, it does mention the TANF program. What is amusing is that Obama did make the mistake of reversing some of the guidelines that Clinton and Newt put together to make sure people didn't freeload. That I would say has many wandering why, why make it easier for people to become dependent on the government? That actually raised my eyebrows too so perhaps either one of you Cons or liberals can explain to this independent as to why this was done?

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 5:52:09 PM   
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Get a clue before spouting off.........

Based on what he's posted in these forums to date, do you really think that's even remotely possible?

no

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 6:00:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomCplsc

Maybe one should post an article a little newer to this one. Seeing how the numbers are those from 2006. These numbers do not include Medicaid expenditures but interest easing enough, it does mention the TANF program. What is amusing is that Obama did make the mistake of reversing some of the guidelines that Clinton and Newt put together to make sure people didn't freeload. That I would say has many wandering why, why make it easier for people to become dependent on the government? That actually raised my eyebrows too so perhaps either one of you Cons or liberals can explain to this independent as to why this was done?

We need some sort of test around here,seems every last "independent" that shows up on these pages does a damm fine conservative impersonation.
Anyone else ever wonder about that ?

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 6:12:12 PM   
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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 6:51:25 PM   
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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 7:08:15 PM   
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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 7:37:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomCplsc

Maybe one should post an article a little newer to this one. Seeing how the numbers are those from 2006. These numbers do not include Medicaid expenditures but interest easing enough, it does mention the TANF program. What is amusing is that Obama did make the mistake of reversing some of the guidelines that Clinton and Newt put together to make sure people didn't freeload. That I would say has many wandering why, why make it easier for people to become dependent on the government? That actually raised my eyebrows too so perhaps either one of you Cons or liberals can explain to this independent as to why this was done?



To the bolded part, he left that up to the states. So, if YOUR state is easing the restrictions, then blame your STATE legislature.

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 7:40:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006.



Subsidizing big business so they can ship jobs over seas is not corporate welfare, according to the republicans, who screamed bloody murder when we bailed out the auto industry.

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 7:41:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I live on benefits...

The reason? I am a full time carer.

I look after a man who suffers psychosis, anxiety, depression, anger issues and unstable epilepsy and spinal damage.

My "wage" - £55 a week carers allowance and £40 Income support... sooooo in USD $80 and $60 roughly.

The cost of my charge being institutionalised? A whole lot more...



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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 7:54:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

busy as buggery and back again honey:) hope you is ok?

Doing fine,living large on the public dole....lol
Hope you aren't overdoing things ;-)

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 8:06:48 PM   
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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 8:09:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ElChupa

Look at Europe.


A gold nugget in all that... wow.

Indeed, look at Europe, and I mean look, closely.

As I pointed out in another thread, the median household in the USA is beneath the poverty line by German standards. Or to be precise, it's below the so called "existential minimum" level. Merkel is worried, and rightly so, because a growing percentage of the German lower class citizens are falling ever closer to what the American middle class has to get by on, which would be humiliating to such a powerhouse as Germany, even while carrying much of the Euro zone on their shoulders through the global financial crisis.

Comparing with Norway... should I call it a day and settle for permanent disability, our household would have about $55.000/yr after tax, CPI adjusted, with free health care and so on. Yet, despite this incentive, I've put in about eight lifetimes worth of GDP already, and I've still not given up on getting back on my feet so I'm able to return to the workforce and maybe put in a few dozen lifetimes more before I retire. I note the sum of tax and living expenses is the same for the middle class here as over there, probably a bit less here.

So, yeah, please look at Europe.

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 8:17:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006.

well,.. anyone that owns a residence which they live in and get a mortgage interest deduction on is getting a form of a subsidy & welfare also.. the writers of the article seemed to have conveniently forgotten that one..

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 8:18:09 PM   
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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 8:18:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		That? You mean things aren't working out so well in Germany.. That role model of austerity that everyne including the Germans like to point to? I'd rather look at Iceland who threw the crooks in jail and bailed out the victims.

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 8:22:43 PM   
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I wouldn't want to add any actual conservative thought, instead of the positions that liberals would assign. Then your thread would get locked.

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 8:24:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh come on Rich.... do add into the debate....

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RE: Welfare benefit scroungers - the evidence just does... - 12/2/2012 8:27:36 PM   
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Many who are on welfare rent....

yeah, I know that, I never said they didnt.. sheesh..

just to be clearer, for those that arent getting my point, the article states that a tax break by corps is a form of welfare, so a tax break for mortgage interest that homeowners get is also a form of welfare.. If you are gonna knock tax breaks then knock them all.. I dont understand why it even exists, but i guess ya'll in the US dont mind the deficet being as big as it is or you would be bitchin about that mortgage interest tax break/welfare too..

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