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Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/6/2004 4:19:36 PM   
MistressFire70


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Status: offline 		All women are superior to men; therefore, all men are worms and should acknowledge the superiority of the female sex.

As a Female Dominant and a Mistress I feel that this statement is a crock. Surely, I'm not the only one!

To me, men who make this statement are just showing a lack of intelligence, self esteem or both. To say that anyone is superior because of their sex, race, religion is idiotic, in my opinion.

Now, do I want my slave to think I'M superior? You betcha. Do I want them to think that every woman deserves to be worshiped? Not on your life. There are those who do NOT deserve such. A slave who falls at the feet of just anyone is really devaluing themselves and not honoring those of us who are deserving of quality service.

Ahhh…I feel better.


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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/6/2004 4:32:11 PM   
stormiKnightBEAR


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Status: offline 		Ma'am,

Well said! From this girl's prospective what you said
makes very good sense.

No one want's their slave/sub worshiping anyone but
themself and they surely don't want their slave/sub
thinking someone is better than the one that owns them.

On the other hand... trust this girl, when she says that
first hand knowledge says that there are women who
really DO believe men are put here to be slave to
women. For that matter, those same ones seem to
think that another's property should worship them as well.


And that is pretty sad if you ask this girl, but then again....
opinions vary... just like rear-ends.. they all stink sooner or later



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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/6/2004 5:18:01 PM   
LadySonelle


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Status: offline 		Not all Dommes feel that way! Certainly I do NOT think all men are worms! Check My profile and see if it doesn't agree with My statements here!

I believe in Female Supremacy as a daily lifestyle and I live its principles. This does not automatically make all men vile and detestable. Some are, most are not.

When a Woman sits a beautiful thoroughbred horse, Her hands on the reins, Her mount collected and graceful, which is the Superior? The horse is stronger, to be sure, and probably more beautiful, but the strength, the beauty, the grace and will of the magnificent beast is subject to the will of his rider! Does this make him vile? A thing to be contemned and held without virtue? Certainly NOT!

No Mistress of a quality horse or dog or slave, will treat that creature with contempt if the animal or slave is behaving properly! Even correction, at the tip of a quirt, dog whip, flogger or nipple clamps, is given not in loathing or contempt! It is given with the aim of correcting, refining, making the best better! Her Authority depends not on words of scorn, but on Her bearing, gentility and grace. Her charges move at Her word, at a touch, a nod or gesture, gently given, softly underscored by Her absolute control of them.

There are slaves who desire to be treated like dung, like loathesome creatures and they may find their recompense in a Dominant who desires such things. I have little taste for such divertissements and do not indulge in them, save for the occasional instance of humiliation as a reward or corrective device. I am a Lady, not a fishmonger nor a slattern!

If a person has a filthy, ill kept automobile, a matted and fleasome, cowering dog with an old rope knotted about its throat, WHAT are observers to think of that person? Such a person, owning second rate items, is impoverished or improvident, of a certainty! If the person has great material wealth, yet spends none of it on upkeep of possessions, then that person may be said to be a miser, mean and vicious withal and of a cold and intemporate humour!

Yet that same person, alighting from an older car which is polished, buffed and gleaming, its engine silent and well tuned, would be said to be a good person, indeed! Should that person have on a good leathern lead, a dog which is well coated, nourished and groomed and glowing with health, what then may be perceived? The person, however wealthy or poor, is appreciative of good things and a person of some quality!

To demean, to impugne and to belittle those beneath oneself, in order to raise oneself higher, is to create a false Superiority! It is a vice of the character to be avoided at all cost. The true Superior is known by the fact that She raises all in Her wake! Her slaves are sleek and beautiful in manner, carriage and training. By their livery and their demeanour, Her subservients display Her training, breeding and wealth. A Lady who does not polish Her jewels may find the want of them in the eyes of Her peers.

Let if also be said that there is NO scorn finer nor more pointed than the scorn of a slave of a fine Lady, for the would-be lady who does NOT care for her OWN slaves! Slaves and submissives often have far sharper an appreciation of quality than those born to it! Whether they know it or not, Dominants ALL are judged, by those whose collars make them subject.

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/6/2004 5:25:22 PM   
LadyShoshin


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Status: offline 		Worms? Not in my universe. The male submissives I know are strong, intelligent, creative, humorous, chivalrous and a joy to be around.

I don't expect my submissives to consider me superior, but I do expect them to care enough to find out what makes me smile and to do it. They enjoy pleasing a woman, that certainly doesn't make them inferior.

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/6/2004 6:19:37 PM   
cynnacent1


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Status: offline 		i've read more than a few profiles of submissive men which ramble on and on with claims to their beliefs of ALL females being superior, and always have arrived at the same impression and opinion from each that claims such. Perhaps they simply claim such with hopes that subscribing to those beliefs may impress a Mistress/Domme who might take the time to stop and read their profile? While i have no doubt that many are sincere i can't help but think that there may be 'many' more who will SAY whatever they decide they need to in order to obtain what it is they seek here.

And as others here have already stated, i'd never say that ALL are superior regardless of whether they are male or female dominants. There are good, there are not so good regardless. i think most can agree with that much.

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/6/2004 6:22:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have often thought that the broad-based assertion of any group being superior or inferior is essentially a sign of weakness and insecurity on the part of the bigot making such grandiose claims (and a submissive buying into those claims is every bit as bigoted, it is simply a self-loathing form of bigotry). I have found that such gender-supremecist dominants frequently surround themselves with fawning, spineless, mindless drones who do nothing to challenge their fragile egotism, and simply serve to reinforce my poor opinion of them and their so-called dominance.

In searching for my latest signiature quote, I found myself re-reading Machiavelli, and I believe he has some sage words to add to this dialogue:

"the first opinion which one forms of a prince, and of his understanding, is by observing the men he has around him; and when they are capable and faithful he may always be considered wise, because he has known how to recognize the capable and to keep them faithful. But when they are otherwise one cannot form a good opinion of him, for the prime error which he made was in choosing them"

Of course, the argument has been made that I simply can not abide a "strong woman" and feel threatened by their innate superiority, thus I feel the need to ridicule them and the servants which they surround themselves with. Never mind that I mark no difference between them and male supremecists, nor between them and racial supremecists, it is simply my inferiority showing itself or else I would be supportive of a woman owning her own power.

My mother has been known to comment, "A strong woman dosen't need to tell you she's strong. You'll get the message the first time she knocks you on your ass."

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/6/2004 6:33:38 PM   
Yankeestick


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quote:

All women are superior to men; therefore, all men are worms and should acknowledge the superiority of the female sex.

As a Female Dominant and a Mistress I feel that this statement is a crock.


As a human being I agree.

quote:

Surely, I'm not the only one!


No. There are at least two of us.

quote:

To me, men who make this statement are just showing a lack of intelligence, self esteem or both.


To me, the women who make this statement are showing the exact same thing. Google the term "female supremacy" to find 'em.

quote:

To say that anyone is superior because of their sex, race, religion is idiotic, in my opinion.


Confused is perhaps a kinder term, but I can go with idiotic.

quote:

Now, do I want my slave to think I'M superior? You betcha.


Again we're in sync!

quote:

Ahhh…I feel better.


Me too! Good rant!

Best -

Yankeestick

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/6/2004 9:30:37 PM   
MistressFire70


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadySonelle

Not all Dommes feel that way! Certainly I do NOT think all men are worms! Check My profile and see if it doesn't agree with My statements here!

I believe in Female Supremacy as a daily lifestyle and I live its principles. This does not automatically make all men vile and detestable. Some are, most are not.


What you have described isn't Female Supremacy...what you have described are the basic tenants of any Ms relationship. The Master (gender neutral term) empowers the slave (of either gender). This empowerment reflects the grace of the Master as well as the power the slave has gained through service to their One.

In your personal relationships, the One is female and the slave is male. And you describe (and hopefully conduct) the relationships with grace. But, it's no different in a Female/female or Male/male or Male/female relationship. GOOD Dominants are Supreme because we've shown ourselves worthy and GOOD slaves are valued because they show themselves worth owning, not because of a supremacist stand.

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/7/2004 7:47:19 AM   
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quote:

My mother has been known to comment, "A strong woman dosen't need to tell you she's strong. You'll get the message the first time she knocks you on your ass."


I loved that, but the truth is, that you'll know the minute you see her walk, look into her eyes, hear her speak, feel her incredible energy. Her Dominance/Strength speaks for itself.

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/7/2004 12:06:44 PM   
LadySonelle


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Status: offline 		My comments below the quotes...

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ORIGINAL: MistressFire70

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ORIGINAL: LadySonelle

Not all Dommes feel that way! Certainly I do NOT think all men are worms! Check My profile and see if it doesn't agree with My statements here!

I believe in Female Supremacy as a daily lifestyle and I live its principles. This does not automatically make all men vile and detestable. Some are, most are not.


What you have described isn't Female Supremacy...what you have described are the basic tenants of any Ms relationship. The Master (gender neutral term) empowers the slave (of either gender). This empowerment reflects the grace of the Master as well as the power the slave has gained through service to their One.

In your personal relationships, the One is female and the slave is male. And you describe (and hopefully conduct) the relationships with grace. But, it's no different in a Female/female or Male/male or Male/female relationship. GOOD Dominants are Supreme because we've shown ourselves worthy and GOOD slaves are valued because they show themselves worth owning, not because of a supremacist stand.

Fire



*chuckle* perhaps I should clarify that I believe in THIS Female Supremacy? :)

Actually, My stance is manifold... as a day to day human being, cooker of breakfast, payer of bills, piller of cats, I believe in equality of all. In that role, I'm just me. Blue jeans and t-shirts etc. I do think, however, that males have screwed up a LOT more than they've fixed, but they had help from equally screwed up females! *shrug* My demanding that a man kneel at my feet won't make it so!

My stance as a Domme is much the same as yours, that each relationship carries its own characteristics and Male Dominant/female submissive is equally valid as same sex M/m, F/f or heterosex F/m domination.

My stance as Lady Sonelle is Female Supremacy. It is a separate subset of BDSM and I utilise it in dealing with slaves and submisives who use it as their paradigmatic raison d'etre.

I understand that BDSM does not reflect the reality of day to day life. It is playspace. The value of BDSM is that it CAN be used to great efficacy as a healing, building tool in interpersonal relationships.

Clear as mud? :) It may be a bit schizophrenic on M/my part to simultaneously hold all three views, but it is in fact, reality. Were BDSM My *entire* weltanshcauung then yes, I would most probably need to be locked away for the good of society!

Take care and be well.

Lady Sonelle


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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/9/2004 12:30:56 AM   
GoddessDustyGold


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyBeckett

I loved that, but the truth is, that you'll know the minute you see her walk, look into her eyes, hear her speak, feel her incredible energy. Her Dominance/Strength speaks for itself.


Exactly. Lady Beckett, We seem to agree on so many things. Did you ever notice that We have the same birthday? LOL


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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/9/2004 8:22:02 AM   
MistressFire70


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadySonelle


My stance as a Domme is much the same as yours, that each relationship carries its own characteristics and Male Dominant/female submissive is equally valid as same sex M/m, F/f or heterosex F/m domination.

My stance as Lady Sonelle is Female Supremacy. It is a separate subset of BDSM and I utilise it in dealing with slaves and submisives who use it as their paradigmatic raison d'etre.

I understand that BDSM does not reflect the reality of day to day life. It is playspace. The value of BDSM is that it CAN be used to great efficacy as a healing, building tool in interpersonal relationships.

Clear as mud? :) It may be a bit schizophrenic on M/my part to simultaneously hold all three views, but it is in fact, reality. Were BDSM My *entire* weltanshcauung then yes, I would most probably need to be locked away for the good of society!

Take care and be well.

Lady Sonelle



See, now, different hats I understand. “I’m not schizophrenic, are we?”

Female Supremacy as role play I totally get. It's the 24/7 degradation of a person that squicks (new word) me as well as the “I’m better than all with a cock” statement. As a humiliation scene, well, you’re kink isn’t my kink and I got no problems. A Female being superior to the cock as a scene, again, no problems. Hell, who knows if this won’t become my kink in time? I can see me doing the Queen routine…hmmm…maybe Cleopatra…

The impression that most give, however, is that they live this and practice this at all times. If you tell someone he or she is worthless 24/7, pretty soon, they'll either leave or start to believe it. Too many will fall in the later category and it’s not healthy for one’s psyche.

Oh, and I LOVE the “piller of cats” description. No one except those of us who have shoved pills down a feline’s throat, truly understand that phrase! I have 4, all dominant and all spoiled rotten beyond belief. If I ever come back as an animal, I also want to go back in time, so I can be one of MY cats! Loving cats or being able to fake it is even a non-negotiable item in my list of things that a slave MUST do or have.

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/9/2004 11:17:31 AM   
Voltare


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Status: offline 		Not to be disagreeable (as I agree with most said here) but just an observation, that there certainly is a male mentality amongst some male submissives, that they are (and strongly desire to be) worthless, and to be seen as worthless in a ´pure´ woman´s light, and that if he could somehow bring a modicum of joy into her perfect world, then he would have purpose...etc etc etc. Lacking any real psychological understanding of this mentality, obviously there are self-esteem issues at work here.

Take this a step further... some FemDoms also have glaring self-esteem issues. Bad natured, bad tempered, and believe the world owes them a living... naturally, the male submissive who can only see the woman as being ´beautiful´would shower her with gifts, praise, adoration, money, gifts, poetry, love, devotion, gifts... did I mention gifts?

Sounds like a match made in a support group, but the driving force here, methinks, is the financial element. Doing the search for female supremacy, unfolds countless Dommes demanding devotion, praise, and cash (credit, etc) in exchange for the opportunity to grovel at her feet. Women advertise this, of course, because there are men who would pay for it.

I´ve advocated in the past, that these forms of BDSM are closer related to webcam-by-the-minute sessions, perfectly legal, perfectly acceptable within their own niches, but wholly unrelated to the types of interaction that BDSM and Ds is comprised of (in my opinion of course.) It´s not that I believe my kink to be better, but rather my own bias that my kink isn´t commercial.

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/9/2004 2:06:50 PM   
smile2cu


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ORIGINAL: Suleiman
I have often thought that the broad-based assertion of any group being superior or inferior is essentially a sign of weakness and insecurity on the part of the bigot making such grandiose claims (and a submissive buying into those claims is every bit as bigoted, it is simply a self-loathing form of bigotry). I have found that such gender-supremecist dominants frequently surround themselves with fawning, spineless, mindless drones who do nothing to challenge their fragile egotism, and simply serve to reinforce my poor opinion of them and their so-called dominance.

I'm in a kind of a funny position myself.

Its been my privilege both in my professional career, and in outside activities to promote women's equality. My proudest accomplishment was to help bring women clergy into my faith. My congregation was one of the first, and I was one of the first voices in favor.

The thing that gives me the most pleasure in the world is pleasing women, and I've been told I'm pretty good at it. I really like women. So you might think I'd be in favor of Female Supremacy. Not so.

I'm in favor of women's equality. I'm in favor of treating everyone, men, women as human beings. I'm a sub male, but I don't think I'm less worthy than anyone else here. So I personally find claims of Female Supremacy a bit of a turnoff.

(But probably not so much of a turnoff that if she wanted oral service I'd refuse. )

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/10/2004 9:11:38 AM   
MsPurrmeow


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ORIGINAL: Voltare

Not to be disagreeable (as I agree with most said here) but just an observation, that there certainly is a male mentality amongst some male submissives, that they are (and strongly desire to be) worthless, and to be seen as worthless in a ´pure´ woman´s light, and that if he could somehow bring a modicum of joy into her perfect world, then he would have purpose...etc etc etc. Lacking any real psychological understanding of this mentality, obviously there are self-esteem issues at work here.

Take this a step further... some FemDoms also have glaring self-esteem issues. Bad natured, bad tempered, and believe the world owes them a living... naturally, the male submissive who can only see the woman as being ´beautiful´would shower her with gifts, praise, adoration, money, gifts, poetry, love, devotion, gifts... did I mention gifts?
Stephan


You hit the nail on the head here. These are words that too many people are afraid to say out loud. Yes, too many are bitchy, needy and cruel but have no inherent power to back it up. The people who fall for them are usually lacking something in themselves and rather than work on themselves, they seek to find someone to overwhelm them. It's a sad story, but too obvious in our world to ignore.

That being said, it's sad that those people degrade the D/s lifestyle for the legitimate women who truly are Dominant, have self-control and no overwhelming esteem issues or identity issues. I keep running into men that have been tainted by so many of the others that they can not even comprehend the idea of true D/s. Just like an abuse victim that gets to a point where they seek it, these men run because I cannot be insanely cruel enough to feed that victim mentality. (Nor would I want to.)

This is likely true in all gender orientations, though. I know plenty of female submissives and male Doms who have these same experiences. It's a weakness of our lifestyle that the "wrong" people are allowed on the playground, but we have no way of weeding them out. We deal with filtering out a lot of "damaged goods" that at one time may have been the perfect partner had we gotten to them first.

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/10/2004 10:30:32 AM   
Voltare


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ORIGINAL: MsPurrmeow

This is likely true in all gender orientations, though. I know plenty of female submissives and male Doms who have these same experiences. It's a weakness of our lifestyle that the "wrong" people are allowed on the playground, but we have no way of weeding them out. We deal with filtering out a lot of "damaged goods" that at one time may have been the perfect partner had we gotten to them first.

Purr


Yep. Lots of fem subs and male Doms with similar problems. Naturally, the lifestyle appears to be a safe haven for crazies, weirdos, and real sadists (the Dahlmer kind) who prey on innocents... but if we think about our vanilla friends and crazy relationships they've had, I think the reality is that it's a pitfall in every walk of life, every culture, and every place on the planet where there is more then one man and one woman.

Surrendering will is hardly a decision to be made lightly. I really don't think it should be done in any cyber medium (where predators hide quite easily) and certainly not without a sense of real trust from real interaction and time. Blah blah blah, advice given thousands of times and heeded... well, who knows?

Most importantly, take care of yourself. Short of a committment equivalent to marriage, odds are nobody else will take care of you. If you don't... then you only have yourself to blame.

Stephan



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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/10/2004 3:03:59 PM   
Nvernilla


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Status: offline 		Superiority or inferiority are defined by the people in the relationship and are as individual as personalitys are. There is no one size fits all law that can be used. I know many women who think this patriarchal world we live in used to be dominated by females, not very many who could swing a 5' broadsword though...Mykal

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/10/2004 4:10:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am a female dominant and own a male slave. I certainly do not think he is a worm. He worships me only because he has been abused by two female supreme beings that forced him to worship women. He is going to church to learn how to worship. They tortured him.
He is a manly man.
I feel that a submissive or submissive slave is a reflection of their Master/Mistress. As a Mistress we are charged with the safety of our submissives or slave.
There is no gift I treasure more than my slave, and his safety and well-being are always my first priority.
Sure I can be tough. It comes down to something we need to all have and that is our own style.
Respectfully,

Mistress_Jan

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/11/2004 9:54:05 PM   
LadySonelle


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Beautifully said! Be careful with religion, however. It is powerful and can harm the un-armoured or fragile psyche. Go with him to services.

He is a fortunate slave indeed to have a mistress who cares for his emotional welfare. And welcome to the board! It is always good to see new posters.

Lady Sonelle

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RE: Female Supremacy??? My rant... - 11/11/2004 11:13:58 PM   
MistressRage


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Status: offline 		I agree. I have met too many dumb women to believe that ALL women are superior.

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