Yankeestick
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ORIGINAL: MrThorns
Isn't Gor based on that principle? (Honestly asking...not wanting to stir up a Gor debate)
~Thorns
My own conversations with Goreans convince me otherwise - the difference is between choosing an archetypal mythos for me to live my life in, versus saying that this is how the whole world should think, and be constructed.
To move away from the BDSM world for clarity's sake and to keep the heat down while we talk concepts: In pre-modernist Islam, such as the Wahabism of Saudi Arabia, women are simply "back of the bus" people. They can't drive, they can't hold office, etc. They're not free beings - by design and cultural mandate. This was also the Islam of the Taliban.
These people believe not that this is right for them - but that it is right for everybody - that there was a cultural imperative to impose their archetypal world vision of male supremacy on ALL people in Muslim countries - and if they have their druthers, on the rest of the world as well.
That's how good Christians thought before the so-called Age of Enlightenment too. Martin Luther said, "We must convert the Jews". And when the Jews didn't want to be converted, he said (shortly before his death), "We must kill the Jews".
Of course, even modern fundamentalist Christians like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson don't believe in this approach to the human condition anymore. Of course they believe that their doctrines regarding male supremacy are right FOR THEM because that's the Bible's teaching- but they don't recognize a mandate to be philosophical imperialists in the same way as their forbears did, when comes to my life as a non-believer.
They understand that their doctrines, including the doctrine of man as the head of the household, are right for their people because that's the memetic package you buy when you accept the Bible as the literal world of God -as they do. Ditto the Catholics, who accept the doctrine of Papal Authority. Within the unbrella of their church woman are restricted when it comes to ecclesiastical office. But they don't say that the Episcopalians, or the Church of Christ, must do the same.
Ok...back to the BDSM community to deconstruct the issues.
The Goreans (from my perspective) seem to be just that way. They believe that their Master/slave ideas, and their free companion concept, are right in the context of stepping into THEIR archetypal world. They don't say (as far as I have heard) that this is the way it should be for everyone. In that, they're non-virulent in the same sense modern Christians, and modern Muslims, are. They choose a model, mythos and set of memes that's right for them.
And that's exactly the differerence, whether I use as a contrasting example a white supremacist neo-nazi type philosophy to illustrate my point, or the kind of female supremacist/gynocracy concept advocated academically by people like Mary Daly of Boston College, and by any number of female supremacist Dommes on the net - whose virulent rants can be found in under a minute using Google.
And - in case anyone is confused - I have nothing against a Femdomme lifestyle for any who choose to embrace it. I'm in entire agreement with MistressFire70 and any number of articulate, reasonable Dommes whose posts I read with interest and respect on these boards. I consider their insights into power exchange relationships just as useful for my own ongoing education in our lifestyle as a male dominant's.
Where I'm taking out the long knives and doing a bit of deconstruction is in considering the entirely VIRULENT set of memes that, if left unchecked and unchallenged, always end up justifying non-consensual crimes against humanity. That's really what's at stake in this discussion - in my opinion.
It's the oldest problem we have on this planet - this idea of generic supremacy advocated by one group against another - and we're not done with it just yet. Osama (just to use an example) has just the other day been reported as having gotten permission from some extremist clerics to detonate a nuke somewhere in the western world. If he doesn't get the job done, it won't be from lack of trying...and if he does, it is this basic supremacist philosophy which provides the memetic rationale for doing so - just as Hitler's doctrine of Aryan supremacy (and jewish inferiority) provided him his rationale.
So...more than absurd, I find it appalling that this kind of female supremacist thinking would be tolerated rather than denounced for the hate speech that is really is, by the general BDSM community.
So - anytime a Domme with her head on straight decides to do a bit of denouncing, I'm inclined to give her a hearty yea and amen, and maybe stomp an internet toad or two in the process.
It's the Lord's work - and fun, to boot. 
And yes - I'm an equal opportunity meme stomper when some neanderthal with a pecker advocates that women shouldn't hold elective office, and only men should rule the world, too - something I've not heard (so far) from any Gorean I've spoken with.
Best wishes -
Yankeestick
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