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Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:16:33 AM   
Rochsub2009


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So I was thinking about forced intoxication, and I'm having a difficult time wrapping my mind around it. I know that forced intoxication is a kink that some people participate in, but I've never actually seen it practiced, and I've obviously never participated in it. So I'd like some input from those who know a bit more about it than I do.

For example, what does the person who is inflicting the forced intoxication get out of it? Is it a form of humiliation play? Is it about control? Is it a form of sadism? Is it just a way to loosen the sub's inhibitions? Is it all of the above, or something entirely different? I'd appreciate any thoughts on what benefit the Dom/Domme gets from intentionally getting someone drunk.

Secondly, from a sub standpoint, what do you get out of being forced to get intoxicated? As I asked above, do you enjoy the humiliation of it? Or the loss of control? Or is it a form of masochism? Or are you just looking for an excuse to get drunk? Or is there something else about forced intoxication that you enjoy?

Lastly, how do you keep your forced intoxication play safe? Is there a limit to how drunk you allow your sub to get in order to keep it safe? Or is the inherent danger of forced intoxication part of the appeal?

Hopefully, some of you have experience with this kink and can enlighten me. Like I said, it's one of the few kinks that I've never seen done, and have absolutely no knowledge of.

Thanks in advance for your input/insight.
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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:21:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would think any keg party in america would cover the how part of the question.

Benefit in my world would be little to none...I don't clean up puke or drunk

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:30:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Roch, the only experience I have in it is about 30 years ago, I gave a wine enema to a sub. The only excuse either of us had was we were young, stupid and knew just enough physiology/biology to ask "I wonder what would happen if...............?"
She got blitzed.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:30:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I believe its increased mention on this site is due to the fact that it's a fetish that can be indulged in over webcam. In that sense, I would categorize it roughly as a humiliation-and-feeder fetish. Guy gets to drink with a pretty girl until he is totally plowed, she laughs at his increasing humiliation, and makes some money.

"Historically," I've heard of it mostly as an alcohol enema scene in M/m BDSM (which can be way out there compared to hetero BDSM), and butt-chugging at frat parties. However, this Wikipedia page makes a case that alcohol enemas are not a widespread practice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_enema

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:38:43 AM   
Rochsub2009


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I would think any keg party in america would cover the how part of the question.



Actually, I didn't ask how. I can figure that much out (although the alcohol enema answer that several have mentioned is something that I wouldn't have thought of). Rather, I was more curious about the why. What's in it for the Dom/Domme, and what's in it for the sub?

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:40:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		As for what's in it for the sub. It's simply giving up control.
As for what's in it for the dom(me)...........taking control.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:41:37 AM   
Rochsub2009


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

The only excuse either of us had was we were young, stupid and knew just enough physiology/biology to ask "I wonder what would happen if...............?"



And that's actually a very valid reason. Heck, quite a bit of my knowledge came from asking that exact question. I've done some pretty stupid things for no better reason than because I was curious.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:43:23 AM   
Rochsub2009


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

As for what's in it for the dom(me)...........taking control.



But were you really in control (since the sub was drunk)? Or was it enough to have merely controlled the sub's loss of control?

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:44:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		You hit it with the second roch. Her loss of control was because she basically handed her bodily functions over to me.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:46:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		In all my time on the scene I have never heard of forced intoxication being a kink. I have heard of alcohol enemas but more in the vanilla world than the BDSM world and they are not forced.
If it is a kink then its a new one to me but maybe its more of an American thing?
I don't play with a drunk person because as far as I'm concerned, a drunk is in not mind to consent safely. I couldn't trust or rely on his/her word. As someone who is an advocate of SSC and because 'this kink' is not part of SSC it would never enter into my BDSM world or be accepted by me as a BDSM act.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:49:05 AM   
Rochsub2009


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I believe its increased mention on this site is due to the fact that it's a fetish that can be indulged in over webcam.



I would have never thought of that. I don't use webcams (I don't even own one), so I wouldn't have thought of that as a motivation for this kink.

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In that sense, I would categorize it roughly as a humiliation-and-feeder fetish. Guy gets to drink with a pretty girl until he is totally plowed, she laughs at his increasing humiliation, and makes some money.


That makes sense. But how does money enter into it? Are you saying that she would charge him for the "privilege" of getting drunk? Is that often a part of forced intoxication?

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:52:34 AM   
Rochsub2009


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

You hit it with the second roch. Her loss of control was because she basically handed her bodily functions over to me.


Okay, I can understand that. It's kind of like when some Doms/Dommes give forced enemas. They enjoy controlling their sub's bodily functions (or lack of control of said functions). I get that. Thanks.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:58:10 AM   
Hillwilliam


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Status: offline 		You're welcome roch but remember what else I said. It was a stupid thing to do. The alcohol hits MUCH faster than via oral ingestion. This means the odds of alcohol poisining go way up and the body's normal defense of throwing up will do no good.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 7:58:40 AM   
Rochsub2009


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In all my time on the scene I have never heard of forced intoxication being a kink.



Neither had I. To be honest, I've only heard of it mentioned as a kink on-line. I've never seen it done at any public or private play party that I've ever attended.

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I don't play with a drunk person because as far as I'm concerned, a drunk is in not mind to consent safely. I couldn't trust or rely on his/her word. As someone who is an advocate of SSC and because 'this kink' is not part of SSC it would never enter into my BDSM world or be accepted by me as a BDSM act.



And that was my thought as well. It just seems unsafe to me. It definitely wouldn't fit under SSC, but might be okay under RACK.

One of the few times that I've had to go to the hospital due to BDSM activities was when a Domme that I was playing with was using drugs and alcohol during our play. Since that time, I have pretty strict rules about not playing with people who are under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 8:00:07 AM   
Rochsub2009


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The alcohol hits MUCH faster than via oral ingestion. This means the odds of alcohol poisining go way up and the body's normal defense of throwing up will do no good.



Yikes!!!!!!!

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 8:26:05 AM   
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Roch, the only experience I have in it is about 30 years ago, I gave a wine enema to a sub. The only excuse either of us had was we were young, stupid and knew just enough physiology/biology to ask "I wonder what would happen if...............?"
She got blitzed.


I always heard this one as wine soaked tampon?

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 8:38:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have not heard of this as being a kink.. I have heard of it being a form of murder tho.. there as a POS guy that would go to the poor end of town and pick up women, get them drunk and take them back to his hotel, then get them drunker to the point of forcing booze down their throat after they passed out until they were dead.. it was estimated he murdered between 8 & 10 women that way.. but with serial killers, who really knows how many he really killed..

The body filters the bad stuff out thru your kidneys/liver so that by the time it hits yer butt, its safe.. but its very dangerous to do an enema with the wrong things cuz there is no way for that part of your body to filter out the dangerous elements, plus its absorbed much faster, from what i understand... so there is no way in hell anyone will ever give me an enema with anything but clean water..

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 8:39:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Roch, the only experience I have in it is about 30 years ago, I gave a wine enema to a sub. The only excuse either of us had was we were young, stupid and knew just enough physiology/biology to ask "I wonder what would happen if...............?"
She got blitzed.


I always heard this one as wine soaked tampon?

Not unless the tampon can soak up a whole bottle.


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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 8:39:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
But how does money enter into it? Are you saying that she would charge him for the "privilege" of getting drunk? Is that often a part of forced intoxication?

All my information is second-hand. Because of your question, though, I just ran a search on "forced intox" on the other side, limited to the United States. 3/4 of the profiles on page 1 were dominant females, and the rest were sub males. The oldest female was 36, the average age was much lower, and all the women did cam sessions and/or identified as findommes.

No sub women, no dom men.

That supports the intuition I had developed from reading profiles, which is: the women who state they are into this are trying to sell something. I think the most interesting post to read on this thread would be from a sub who wanted to be "victimized" by this fetish, and who talked about why.

Getting back to HillWilliam's point, there are definitely emetophiles in the world -- doms and subs whose kink is inducing vomiting because it is a total lack of physical control. So for some people, forced intox probably dances with that.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 8:44:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the only thing worth wrapping one's head around here, is that an alcohol enema isn't a good idea.

As Hillwilliam says, it hits hard and fast, much more so than with oral consumption, and there's no way to abort if you've given the sub too much. If the amount is too high, it will quite simply be fatal, with no way to really stop it. Worst case, one shot glass of strong spirits could result in 3.6‰ BAC, which is potentially fatal and most definitely well into the range where you can expect a blackout. That number is off the top of my head, so don't rely on it.

If one wants disinhibition and impaired judgment, there are a million better ways to get it.

Alcohol free wine enema, though, that's a whole nother mind game right there.

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