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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/10/2012 11:14:57 PM

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I'm just trying to figure out how a pet orders their owner to do something. I guess by peeing on the floor? Barking constantly? Biting and growling at everyone? Tearing up the yard? Yeah, most owners I know would not tolerate such a pet since it's either not able to be trained or the owner doesn't have a clue how to train their pet.

Yeah yeah, she's still human just pretending to be a pet but I guess since I don't do roleplay, you're either all in or you are all out.

If you have ever, EVER owned a cat, you would already have experienced this. Cat wants food, meows his order to you. cat wants petting, jumps on your lap for service.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/10/2012 11:15:16 PM

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I'm just trying to figure out how a pet orders their owner to do something. I guess by peeing on the floor? Barking constantly? Biting and growling at everyone? Tearing up the yard? Yeah, most owners I know would not tolerate such a pet since it's either not able to be trained or the owner doesn't have a clue how to train their pet.

Yeah yeah, she's still human just pretending to be a pet but I guess since I don't do roleplay, you're either all in or you are all out.

I hope I explain this well enough.

Okay, she's not trying to order her owner to do anything, exactly. Think of owning a dog. It's a pretty freaking sweet dog, you take it for walks, you pet it, you bathe it, and you let it sleep at the end of your bed when you guys go to sleep. That is average loving pet interaction.

She wants THAT, but with pain incorporated in a way that ISN'T out of humiliation or punishment. Think of a walk, but on something that hurts to walk on. Or being pat with sandpaper. Or bathing in scalding water. Or sleeping at the base of your owner's bed with your body contorted. They're "loving" pet interactions, but in bizarro land.

I think the reason she would not want her owner to not acknowledge her pain is because, if you want something truly equivalent, you just wouldn't do the same in the opposite situation. You wouldn't acknowledge that your dog likes being patted on the head. You'll just continue to pat it on the head.
By having the pain without having the "reason" for it (punishment, humil, etc.), pain is separated as a negative thing and becomes a reward, and helps further the role play.

She doesn't want her pain from misbehaving, because that would take away the point. And make her a really shitty pet.

I mean, I may be wrong, but I think that is the gist of what she means. And like I said before, it's not always topping from the bottom. I'm not sure why that is always the thing people jump to when the sub has something they want to try or incorporate into their play sessions.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/10/2012 11:19:18 PM

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If you are a pet in that pet mindset, why are you looking for these ideas? Shouldn't your owner do this? I guess there are bossy pets out there I guess.

Well, I mean, if her dom isn't quite meeting her needs, and is willing to work with her, I don't see why not. I know most people are quick to scream, "Oh, you're topping from the bottom!", but I don't think it's fair to have the dom have to think of everything ALL the time. They're not all mind reading evil geniuses, you know.

I knew you were going to say that

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 1:02:53 AM

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I'm just trying to figure out how a pet orders their owner to do something. I guess by peeing on the floor? Barking constantly? Biting and growling at everyone? Tearing up the yard? Yeah, most owners I know would not tolerate such a pet since it's either not able to be trained or the owner doesn't have a clue how to train their pet.

Yeah yeah, she's still human just pretending to be a pet but I guess since I don't do roleplay, you're either all in or you are all out.

If you have ever, EVER owned a cat, you would already have experienced this. Cat wants food, meows his order to you. cat wants petting, jumps on your lap for service.

I've owned cats almost my entire life except for the past 2 years. Cat wants food and it's not his/her time to eat yet, you don't feed it and it eventually learns the schedule of when it can eat. Cat wants petting, and you don't have time or just can't for whatever reason, you let it know by taking it off your lap. Eventually it understands now is not the time. Same for a dog...dog jumps up on your bed at night and if it shouldn't be there you close the door so it can't come in and bother you. You train your pet to do as it is told. And yes, cats can be trained. I never claimed it was easy, but yes, they can be trained.

So the op is just bottoming and having casual play sessions? Then ok, I'm out of this because I have no advice on that. I thought she was in some kind of relationship since she said something about a man or a dom or something like that.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 7:20:35 AM

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Wow, I thought it was just my threads but there are some seriously fucked up responses here!

Exploring what you want so you can tell your partner isnt topping from the bottom as long as your owner isnt a fucking pussy, lol!

I have done a bit of this...

So, owner is a nice guy, doesn't beat his pets...but his fucked up inner child might pull the tail, torment the cat, etc. There are facets we, as dominants have that are fun to visit even if we dont want to live there.

Also, he could be training you NOT to do something, scratch furniture, etc.

Or, he could be holding you on his lap, softly petting you and then start thinking abour an ex he would like to torment and without thinking start acting that out on the cat as his hands start to...

The bath idea is great, I love using those rough body gloves.

Oh and maybe she wont/cant take her medicine and we need to administer it anally...oh boy...here kitty kitty!

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 7:35:04 AM

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Thanks for the translation, I really wasn't getting it. I knew I wasn't, but you know, that doesn't help your understanding level.

You're not just a cute face it seems !!

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 7:53:04 AM

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What about a good, old-fashioned pair of vampire gloves? Those would make petting a whole new experience.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 9:06:29 AM

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Maybe i missed it, but did anyone suggest a spray bottle?

Chaos and i both have ( fourlegged ) pet cats. We use spray bottles to curb unwanted behavior and "kitty-yum-yums" to reward positive behavior.

Still, there are times when i might speak out of place and get zapped with a faceful of water. i really hate it when Chaos does that, it isn't really painful, but it gets the job done.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 9:25:06 AM

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You could always be spayed...

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 9:29:11 AM

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Hey, that's not a bad idea at all! Could incorporate medical (vet) play, genital torture, etc.

Only drawback. You can only "fix" your pet once.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 9:36:30 AM

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If spayed, the pet won't be able to act out being in rut.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 12:01:28 PM

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CharmingKitty, you might have better results if you took this question to an otherkin or bodymod discussion board. There are whole levels of crazy in those communities, especially online, so it might be equally frustrating to ask there, but you'd be less likely to be swarmed by the fuzzy bunny handcuff safety police.

Completely false. You have no idea how many fluffy bunny Otherkin there are. Back in the day, we called them the "PCeelie Court" and it wasn't a compliment. Stick to the urban primatives and other bodymod types.

As for the rest of the OP, the only things I can think of are using needle play equipment to simulate ear tagging or microchip implantation and getting an anti-barking shock collar. That last one might be too dangerous for a human though. You might do better with one of those metal correction collars that has spikes on the inside that will poke your neck during walks. Again, be careful with that since you don't have the same anatomy as a dog. Maybe branding if you're going for a horse/farm scenario.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 3:40:18 PM

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A toe nail is not really a "body part". It's like hair.
I rip off my toenails on my own since jr. high, as a stress reliever.
The bed of the nail remains, they just throb for a week or so then the nail grows back.

I also commonly take scalding showers on my own, scalding baths were introduced to me by a Master I served in Japan.
They call it goemon buro. Japan is the best place for this sort of treatment because of the bath style.

If I recall correctly, that just refers to a style of tub, not to scalding someone.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 5:59:50 PM

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Once again, it seems people read only the title...
I can't say why I expected more from the cm forums. I guess since they call it the "discussion side".

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Bah-I'm a firm believer that there is no such thing as a bad dog, but there are lots of bad owners.
So once a dog leaves the puppy stage, I've pretty much never had to beat any dog I've known.
Now as for human pets, sheeeeeeiiiit, the only reason I've ever needed to beat em is because I wanted to, which is aout the best reason there is :-)

Oh, I got exactly what you were asking. To be precise, this:

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Ideally typical animal-human interactions where the top is "unknowingly" (or "reasonably") harming the pet. But any ideas at all involving any kind of pet would be appreciated.

You're looking for examples of how one might beat a pet, but to be used with a human slave pet. And I gave you an exact answer.
Now it may not have been the answer you wanted, but it sure as hell was an accurate reply to what you had asked.
I'll further expound-I don't beat my animals. I don't have to.
Why?
Because I'm a good owner, train em right. teach em well from the start. And on the rare occasions they fuck up, I don't have to resort to violence to teach em, I have other methods, usually just that look or a particular tone of voice.
And the same can apply to slaves.
Except I do beat them.
Why?
Because it turns me on, I like to hear her scream and beg.
I don't have to. I can teach her just as well with the same look, or the same tone of voice I use with my kitties, and even better, by saying something like "I'm disappointed in you."
But, well, I'm a sadist, so I like to hurt her.
What I don't do is seek excuses to do so. I don't play games (Not knocking anyone who does, or does roleplay, but it just ain't me-I feel all phony and stupid. Besides which, I really like being me-don't have any desire to be someone else or act like something I'm not. Again, not judging anyone who does like such things, just sharing from my POV)and I don't lay fake guilt trips on her (Cuz that does all sorts of emotional damage and harms little unimportant things like trust, respect, self esteem, the relationship)or manufacture reasons to hurt her.(Besides, you ever seen a dog that's been beaten to much? One day the turn around, think, "I ain't gonna take this shit anymore," as well they should, and then they bite the living fuck out of their owner. Or they become terrified, slinking away the second the owner comes around, terrified all the time, trembling and living in fear. And that's not how I want my slave to be. Not ever)
So when I wanna hurt her, I don't dress it up as something it's not,I just do it.
And if she asks why, I giggle and say, because you're my property and I can.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 9:04:00 PM

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The op keeps saying she wants to be realistically beaten in the way you would beat a pet. She doesn't understand that we are moral people who do not abuse their animals.

Here, we don't use crops on horses. We use the lightest bits about. Spurs are for looks, or lightly rolled up the side for a spur stop trained horse.

Now getting a pill down them is more masochism for the owner than the animal, as anyone who has tried to pill a cat can attest.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/11/2012 10:48:25 PM

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Well, that's not quite right. She clarified (or tried to) a little ways back. Replace "beating" with "patting". It makes no sense, right? Well, you've got to change how you're seeing it a bit. To you, it seems like she's saying she wants an owner to cause her pain in a way that an animal abuser would, which is absolutely asinine. But that's why it doesn't make sense.

She doesn't want pain to be a punishment, or an unjustified cruelty of life. She wants... Think of the feelings and emotions that are associated with the actions you typically enact with your loved pet. You pat a dog on the head and it's happy. She wants that feeling, but instead of a pat, she wants it replaced with something painful. She's associating the pain with positive feeling. It's kind of hard to explain, and I apologize if I'm doing a bad job, but I also tried to clarify a little bit back, so maybe that was clearer. She doesn't want pain as a punishment or a way of showing hatred (as it is traditionally done), she wants it as a reward or a way of showing affection. That's why the "well, piss on the floor" comments aren't exact what she's looking for.

To try and put it into perspective, take rough sex. To a lot of people, it can look like rape. But to you and your dom/sub, it's a way of bonding and showing your affection for one another. It may be a little painful, but that just enhances the emotions involved, and makes it all the more intense.

But anyway, I'm not sure how many ideas you're going to get, OP. Coming up with ideas to invert the purpose of pain is a little difficult...

Ooh, that reminds me! I forgot about the Primal crowd! OP, look around for the primal sect of BDSM (there are a lot of groups on FL involving it if you want a place to start). Some would say that they aren't as "delusional" as Otherkin, but they deal a lot in more... vicious? petplay. They might have more ideas for you, if you don't mind going to ask.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/12/2012 1:51:43 AM

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Nelee I think you've done a better job explaining than the OP.

Unfortunately though, the OP is asking for advice on something extremely specific to her tastes, and as it appears most of us don't share those tastes it's really hard for us to give her any practical advice or ideas. While I understand what it is she's asking for, I can't think anything up because my mind won't bend that way. I can get my head around pet play. I can get my head around pain. I can't seem to get my head around this combination of things which appear loving but are actually painful to the pet and that the dom pretends he doesn't know it painful. Because my frame of reference is that I get pleasure from suffering for his enjoyment - if he didn't know I was in pain (or acted like he didn't know) I wouldn't enjoy it. For me personally, inflicting pain IS a loving thing, so it feels pointless to me to have to disguise it as something more benign. I don't say these things to belittle the OP's kink, but I imagine people are having the same problems as me and this is why the OP is getting replies she finds frustrating.

The suggestion of vampire gloves for petting seems like a good one, but the act of putting on vampire gloves means he would be deliberately causing pain - how could he be unaware that it hurts? The bath example might work, he could easily pretend not to know how hot the water was, but that sounds pretty dangerous if the water is hot enough to really hurt. The only other things I can think of are an uncomfortable pet bed or collar but I'm not sure that's the right type of sensation to scratch the masochistic itch.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/12/2012 8:37:20 AM

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/12/2012 4:28:54 PM

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I appreciate the explanation Nelee, the problem I'm having is that she keeps insisting these be things you would really do to a pet. And that's where most of us are balking because to really do that would make you guilty of animal abuse so there aren't any painful things a responsible pet owner would do.

The best suggestion came back several pages where someone else said they don't mix pain play and pet play. Just like you stop pet play when you play tennis, you stop it when you're doing pain play.

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RE: Reasons To Beat Your Pet? - 12/12/2012 5:17:13 PM

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It's a kind of bath where the water is heated by fire.
But it's also slang for a hot bath. Or a too hot bath.
Like if you get in the tub and it's too hot you could yell at your mom "omg this is goemon ofuro"

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A toe nail is not really a "body part". It's like hair.
I rip off my toenails on my own since jr. high, as a stress reliever.
The bed of the nail remains, they just throb for a week or so then the nail grows back.

I also commonly take scalding showers on my own, scalding baths were introduced to me by a Master I served in Japan.
They call it goemon buro. Japan is the best place for this sort of treatment because of the bath style.

If I recall correctly, that just refers to a style of tub, not to scalding someone.