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Your right, these things didn't happen back in the day. Society has degenerated into something that is desensitized to violence. Back in the day we didn't have graphically violent movies, video games or song lyrics. Much of the violence in this stuff is even glorified. We didn't have information overload, Internet and a gajillion TV shows on cable. When the nut cases crack they have way too many ideas to crack with.

Don't know how old you are, but check out a vintage Looney Tunes cartoon. How about Tom & Jerry? Popeye? The 3 Stooges? Batman & Robin (not a cartoon)? There was plenty of violence out there. Hell, Dukes of Hazzard had violence in it, made violence (albeit, the minimum necessary to get the job done) an acceptable action, and even when Bo & Luke were violent, there weren't ramifications. Were Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Space: 1999 violent?

Personally, I think fewer parents are being parents, pushing off the responsibility for parenting to others, like Day Care or schools. It's a different world out there.

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What provokes this kind of weirdness ?

I'd like to see an end to all the government sponsored and sanctioned drugs these kids are being fed. That would be a start for me.

Seems like personal responsibility is taking another vacation.....blame anyone but yourselves....

One of the most common comments on FB tonight is from parents who when they picked their kids up.....felt really relieved and happy.

I don`t know.......these kinds of things didn`t happen when I was a youngster.

What`s changed?

Your right, these things didn't happen back in the day. Society has degenerated into something that is desensitized to violence. Back in the day we didn't have graphically violent movies, video games or song lyrics. Much of the violence in this stuff is even glorified. We didn't have information overload, Internet and a gajillion TV shows on cable. When the nut cases crack they have way too many ideas to crack with.

Well they certainly didn't happen as often, but they did happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

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Now for the adults in the room: we desperately need a serious discussion about gun control in this country. The 2nd amendment was written over 200 years ago - no one alive then could foresee the technology of today. As so many have stated about various topics here: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is one definition of insanity. Based on that, the US has been insane on many issues for a very long time.

Just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts and suggestions (and anyone else's) on this topic? If you could enact whatever level of gun control in the US tomorrow what form would it take? Banning all high capacity magazines? Banning all semi-automatic rifles? Semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines? Banning semi-automatic weapons entirely? Banning all private firearms ownership? What do you think needs to be done? it probably really doesn't matter in the long run. Once we start down that slope it'll be hard for the gun control folks to find a convenient stopping point.

Even as a staunch gun bearing advocate I can see where we are headed after the horrible events of yesterday. Gun control will be coming in sweeping fashion. It's only a question of how much and how deep. There have been 61 mass shootings in the US since Columbine and there is one common thread in all of them and it's not the guns or the victims or the venue - it's mental health. We've never been serious about diagnosing and treating mental health issues in the United States. We drug them and send them on their way. Instead of facing it and dealing with it we're just going to repeal the 2nd Amendment and take away everyone's gun. That will solve the problem. Yes, firearms are readily available in our country. So is alcohol and it does a lot of damage, too. I have a feeling that sweeping gun control will go over about as well as prohibition did in the US.

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Now for the adults in the room: we desperately need a serious discussion about gun control in this country. The 2nd amendment was written over 200 years ago - no one alive then could foresee the technology of today. "

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Now for the adults in the room: we desperately need a serious discussion about gun control in this country. The 2nd amendment was written over 200 years ago - no one alive then could foresee the technology of today. "

Another puerile argument. Should that same logic apply to all the constitutional amendments? How about the 1st? There's no way they could have forseen the communication technology of today.

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Not just "your bullshit"I got a lot of it that day from more than one quater

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No,what I found inappropriate was interviewing the child,What that has to do with my remarks here I fail to see,as far as I know we are all,or at least we are supposed to be,adults.If there are any children in the room ,perhaps you should ask them to leave ? As far as "both sides of the gun debate" crack,I don't consider my POV on this matter an agenda,as a matter of fact I find that characterization highly offensive,highly. This is not an "agenda" to me,this is a deeply held conviction,this is a bone weary tiredness from witnessing these tragedies,this is an unspeakable anger at the apathy of my fellow citizens and the paralysis of the elected

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But while not saying that you are certainly linking the two,an argument that you used back than following the Colorado tragedy.Let me ask you something,doesn't the irony of arguing this same position after another gun violence tragedy even occur to you?

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Sorry folks,all the time I've been here and I still can't do the boxes,my responce to LP's reply to me is the black text in the above
again sorry.

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I've said it a few times on these boards. I don't think I could ever deal with losing a child. I've seen that up close and personal and the anguish is just awful. Can you just imagine compounding that with people capitalizing on your child's death for sensationalism in journalism or lobbying?

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I lost a child and fiance to a drunk driver some years ago. They were buried on Christmas day.

A few things I can say today.

1) I am an advocate of stricter driving while intoxicated laws in this country.
2) I have not advocated the ban of alcohol
3) I still have a drink on occasion, as I was not the driver responsible, but I wont drive even if I have only had one drink the entire evening.
4) I have not advocated the banning of cars, since it was a car that was the instrument of my loss.
5) I still have a hard time around Christmas, but I still celebrate the day and remember the good times with those I lost.

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Not just "your bullshit"I got a lot of it that day from more than one quater

Cool. Just standing behind the comments.

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No,what I found inappropriate was interviewing the child,What that has to do with my remarks here I fail to see,as far as I know we are all,or at least we are supposed to be,adults.If there are any children in the room ,perhaps you should ask them to leave ? As far as "both sides of the gun debate" crack,I don't consider my POV on this matter an agenda,as a matter of fact I find that characterization highly offensive,highly. This is not an "agenda" to me,this is a deeply held conviction,this is a bone weary tiredness from witnessing these tragedies,this is an unspeakable anger at the apathy of my fellow citizens and the paralysis of the elected

If you were offended, I can't help you with that part. I had a few sour moments over CNN today and it wasn't even about the reporting of misinformation. Oh, they did make a point to mention on air that they had obtained the parent's consent to interview the kids because that makes it look better. There was also a phone interview with a gentleman who had two children in the school during the event. As that was going on, I was sitting here thinking, why aren't you with your kids?

The gun control slant was rather heavy on CNN today. I really didn't think it was appropriate to seize the opportunity to air personal opinions on the gun issue. I just think it would have been more respectful to give it a rest at least until the bodies had been removed from the school.

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But while not saying that you are certainly linking the two,an argument that you used back than following the Colorado tragedy.Let me ask you something,doesn't the irony of arguing this same position after another gun violence tragedy even occur to you?

Not really. Less than twenty-four hours ago, the parents of twenty children and the families of six adult victims got their lives torn to shreds. Just because other parents have grieved before them doesn't relieve their pain.

I've said it a few times on these boards. I don't think I could ever deal with losing a child. I've seen that up close and personal and the anguish is just awful. Can you just imagine compounding that with people capitalizing on your child's death for sensationalism in journalism or lobbying?

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Sorry folks,all the time I've been here and I still can't do the boxes,my responce to LP's reply to me is the black text in the above
again sorry.

If I can help you with that, just drop a note.

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I lost a child and fiance to a drunk driver some years ago. They were buried on Christmas day.

A few things I can say today.

1) I am an advocate of stricter driving while intoxicated laws in this country.
2) I have not advocated the ban of alcohol
3) I still have a drink on occasion, as I was not the driver responsible, but I wont drive even if I have only had one drink the entire evening.
4) I have not advocated the banning of cars, since it was a car that was the instrument of my loss.
5) I still have a hard time around Christmas, but I still celebrate the day and remember the good times with those I lost.

First off, my heart goes to you for your loss. I agree with all the points you have made. The tragedy in CT is bad enough, any tragedy is just that tragedy. I find it simply appalling that anyone would seek to further an agenda and am very cautious when they seek to do so, especially right in the midst or on the heels of such tragedies.

There are those out there that seek to justify turning "rights" into "privileges", or just taking the "rights" away all together. Ask anyone in the 18-20 yr old age group. When the drinking age was raised, there was a lot of talk about how that would resolve the issue. Yet, still today we face it. The root cause was never dealt with, actually teaching your young how to do so responsibly. There are many other countries that work (if I might say, better) with everyone understanding there are "dire" consequences and sticking to those "dire" consequences. But those countries do not also have to deal with the legal system and lawyer issues that we do.

The answer lies in simply and honestly dealing with the real issues, instead of a knee jerk band aid political snowball fix.

Your words are true and I proud that you have used them wisely,
Master Devan

By the way, I love your signature quote. :P

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Now for the adults in the room: we desperately need a serious discussion about gun control in this country. The 2nd amendment was written over 200 years ago - no one alive then could foresee the technology of today. As so many have stated about various topics here: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is one definition of insanity. Based on that, the US has been insane on many issues for a very long time.

Just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts and suggestions (and anyone else's) on this topic? If you could enact whatever level of gun control in the US tomorrow what form would it take? Banning all high capacity magazines? Banning all semi-automatic rifles? Semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines? Banning semi-automatic weapons entirely? Banning all private firearms ownership? What do you think needs to be done? it probably really doesn't matter in the long run. Once we start down that slope it'll be hard for the gun control folks to find a convenient stopping point.

Even as a staunch gun bearing advocate I can see where we are headed after the horrible events of yesterday. Gun control will be coming in sweeping fashion. It's only a question of how much and how deep. There have been 61 mass shootings in the US since Columbine and there is one common thread in all of them and it's not the guns or the victims or the venue - it's mental health. We've never been serious about diagnosing and treating mental health issues in the United States. We drug them and send them on their way. Instead of facing it and dealing with it we're just going to repeal the 2nd Amendment and take away everyone's gun. That will solve the problem. Yes, firearms are readily available in our country. So is alcohol and it does a lot of damage, too. I have a feeling that sweeping gun control will go over about as well as prohibition did in the US.

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This is the second highest body count school shooting, but I suggest you look up the 1927 Bath School bombing.

Details to make both IED's and homemade explosives are readily available on the internet.

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First we need to identify reasons for people to own guns. Only 3 exist, hunting, target shooting and home defence. None require handguns. So ban the manufacture, sale, transfer and import of handguns. Destroy any handgun used in a crime or found in the possession of anyone but its legal owner. Obviously end the lunacy of concealed carry. Allow no weapon with an overall length of less than 36 inches. No semi auto actions or removable magazines.

Notice that firearms aren't banned under this and hunters and other legitimate gun enthusiasts can continue to enjoy their pastimes without significant disturbance.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
First we need to identify reasons for people to own guns. Only 3 exist, hunting, target shooting and home defence. None require handguns. So ban the manufacture, sale, transfer and import of handguns. Destroy any handgun used in a crime or found in the possession of anyone but its legal owner. Obviously end the lunacy of concealed carry. Allow no weapon with an overall length of less than 36 inches. No semi auto actions or removable magazines.

Notice that firearms aren't banned under this and hunters and other legitimate gun enthusiasts can continue to enjoy their pastimes without significant disturbance.

Except for the fact that this makes me a sitting duck outside of my home I'm not radically opposed to your suggestions. If we're really going to make a dent in all of this we must make it very risky to be even caught with said prohibited weapon. Destroy any handgun used in a crime or found in the possession of anyone but its legal owner and put that person away - for good. No excuses.