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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:32:01 PM   
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Ive seen everything from blaming liberals for taking god out of schools and therefore god has turned his back on children of america,
to the chinese chap who slashed 22 kids with a knife saying we should banish knives too.... never mind that none of those kids died and their families wont have to go funerals or identify bullet holed bodies of six and seven year olds
to blaming obama being a muslim driving people mad,
to forcing teachers to pack guns ( *last week calling them all kinds of names scabs, thugs, etc)
to arming five year olds,
blaming nerds and geeks, blaming gang bangers, to blaming the teachers to parents to the school system, to mental health system, to poverty, to socialism and liberalism.
Violence and movies, despite people all over the world having played and seen the same games and films.
Ive seen the tired old excuse of banning knives, cars, bats, al matter of stupid pathetic things like swimming pools
Not one of those people has blamed the ease of getting auto weapons, handguns, or multiple rounds of bullets.
The death rates climb..... someone mentioned the number of mexicans killed over the past five years in firearms deaths as being 50,000+...
How far behind is the US??? 9-10,00 deaths per year? over five years? but no, theres nothing wrong there. Its everyone else thats wrong.
All hail the 2nd amendment.
ANYTHING BUT the simple fact that GUNS that only have ONE use..... To make something dead or punch big assed holes in it.
Banning all guns isnt the solution, but the arrogance shows that no matter how many kids die, how many innocents are killed in accidents or planned attacks, talking about doing something is not part of their repertoire, just blame and pass the buck.
And it isnt gonna end, Im so fucking sick of the bullshit emanating from a paranoid ugly mindset.
Call me crazy, incoherent, ignorant, a foreigner.. I dont give a rats ass.
There are many factors into what makes some descend into madness. From poverty, mental health problems, drugs. But few of those same gun lovers, are willing to address those issues either.
Just ignore and blame someone else.




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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:32:28 PM   
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We have spent a lot of time today talking on the phone and on Facebook. Crying. Hoping we could save our babies if something like this happened. Our principal wrote a very nice letter to us all, and the super of schools has emailed us all, both giving us a cyber hug, and giving us advice on what to say to parents, because we will be getting all kinds of questions on security.

Honestly, I am in a fog from this. Nothing has ever hit me in the gut this bad, except the loss of family members.

We have to work 4 days this week, before the Christmas break. I think it is going to be 4 days of much hugging and love, I just hope I can hug my babies and not cry.

Know that you and yours are in all of our hearts and minds.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:34:06 PM   
MarieDomina


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Status: offline 		Actually the ignorant one is YOU! If you can't connect the dots. Maybe you just want to rally against gun control and view that as the "only" problem without looking at the overall problem. That's how you solve problems you know. Looking at it overall. Not just picking a part of it and thinking because you deal with a part of it it all will go away. That's not how problem solving works.

But ignorant people who think they are smarter than the average bear use that method of problem solving.

So you can kindly take your ignorant self and keep your head stuck in the sand and in the meantime children will continue to die.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:34:49 PM   
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I don't much like to do more than dip a toe into the subject we've hit at the moment, but if your goal is to kill a lot of people, explosives are far from the only way to do it.


Spray 400kg of diesel on a building and light it up, then it becomes clear that ANFO is a comparative mercy.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:36:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
to blaming the teachers

Anyone blaming the teachers is a sorry worthless excuse for pondscum.

4 teachers, the principal and a school staffer are all dead. Dead because they either defended their helpless charges when confronted by a man with a gun or ran towards the shooting to try and stop what was happening.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:39:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

We have spent a lot of time today talking on the phone and on Facebook. Crying. Hoping we could save our babies if something like this happened. Our principal wrote a very nice letter to us all, and the super of schools has emailed us all, both giving us a cyber hug, and giving us advice on what to say to parents, because we will be getting all kinds of questions on security.

Honestly, I am in a fog from this. Nothing has ever hit me in the gut this bad, except the loss of family members.

We have to work 4 days this week, before the Christmas break. I think it is going to be 4 days of much hugging and love, I just hope I can hug my babies and not cry.

Know that you and yours are in all of our hearts and minds.

If I might echo this statement.
There was,in my opinion,nothing quite as uplifting in the face of this horrendous tragedy,than the numerous tales of selfless actions by numerous teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Teachers have been taking it on the chin quite often of late...often this criticism is undeserved.Yesterday we all learned that this profession is populated ,in part,by nothing short of heroes.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:40:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		They are quick to call you ignorant when you look at the BIG picture. There is a BIG picture. This country has lost it's ability to critically think!!! Perhaps they take too much fuckin medication. lol.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:40:49 PM   
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I think you might need to go get some medication.


This thought has occured to others.

Sadly, CPS probably aren't among them.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:49:36 PM   
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Another puerile argument. Should that same logic apply to all the constitutional amendments? How about the 1st? There's no way they could have forseen the communication technology of today.


Given the prevalence of originalism, particularly among Supreme Court justices, it strikes me as far from puerile to recognize that the world of 2012 differs markedly from that of 1787. And yes, that may have implications for other parts of the Constitution as well.

A while back, National Geographic created a CD-ROM archive of all its past issues, and there were years of litigation on whether this breached the copyrights of photographers whose work was being reproduced (in a medium not envisaged when copyright laws and contracts were written) without any additional compensation. Editorial contracts today now talk about rights even in media yet to be conceived.

There's also been no shortage of debate and litigation related to the Eighth Amendment as our sense of "cruel and unusual" evolves from what obtained two centuries ago.

Controversy aplenty has raged as well over the years about whether the preface to the Second Amendment confers a collective right to the community arming its well-ordered militia or an individual right to arm oneself. The Supreme Court first addressed the issue in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), ruling 5-4 for an individual right. If memory serves, that was a major shift from how courts had traditionally ruled, but I'm no expert on the subject.

The framers' arrangements for the selection of federal officials reflected both the lack of mass communication and a certain fear of the populace. Hence the reservation of choosing senators to the state legislatures (a system changed by the 17th Amendment) and the creation of the Electoral College (which now bears no resemblance to what it was intended to be).

And I do believe African Americans count as five-fifths of a person these days.


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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 6:54:25 PM   
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Take a look at all these mass shooting killers. Was medication any part of their life? Any? I am quite sure it was.

Your theory might find more attentive readers if it was grounded in evidence sturdier than "I'm quite sure it was."

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 7:45:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
to blaming the teachers

Anyone blaming the teachers is a sorry worthless excuse for pondscum.

4 teachers, the principal and a school staffer are all dead. Dead because they either defended their helpless charges when confronted by a man with a gun or ran towards the shooting to try and stop what was happening.

Amen to this,it just can not be said enough.


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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 8:31:16 PM   
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We disagree again Domken.

But let me say something at this point, not to get anyone angry, but just a simple statement.

The local chief of police said that there were armed officers at the middle school and high school and they were considering putting one at the elementary school.

That fact tells me that they have had, or do have a problem with kids with guns in the system.

This was a clean, middle class suburb, not the inner city.

I would expect armed police officers in schools in the inner city, hell I am all for it.

But what was going on here to make the chief of police consider taking this action before the massacre?

This not a pro gun or anti gun issue, this is an issue of children's safety.

It is an unfortunate fact that violent street gangs are moving into the suburbs and rural areas.

The chief of police was not worried about a threat from outside the school, but inside.

If an armed officer would have been at the elementary school as the chief of police had considered, this probably would have stopped before it began.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 8:46:19 PM   
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They are quick to call you ignorant when you look at the BIG picture. There is a BIG picture. This country has lost it's ability to critically think!!! Perhaps they take too much fuckin medication. lol.


our special little snowflake for the night.

The meds you are complaining about were obviously given to the wrong person.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 10:23:09 PM   
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Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."


I dont know about the rest of you, but I admire and respect the opinion of this man.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 10:49:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody."

Bingo! The media has turned the epidemic of suicides into a profitable spectator sport, complete with rabid fans and cameras zooming in on every sensationalized detail.



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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/15/2012 10:50:55 PM   
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quote:

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."


I dont know about the rest of you, but I admire and respect the opinion of this man.


QFT. Thanks sooo much for posting this.

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RE: Elementary school shooting. - 12/17/2012 2:48:18 AM   
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Why no one is linking these mass shooting to medication is beyond My comprehension!! There is a common denominator here and guns is NOT IT!! This country has lost their ability to critically think!! Brain dead and shuffling along like sheeple! Wake the fuck up!! Really!! Seriously!! Fight the RIGHT BATTLES!! For the love of God!! Stop fighting the wrong battles. Get the hell out of your boxes and start thinking outside of them!!



Seems like much is beyond your comprehension.

Medication is the reason for this ? Do you have evidence from all previous mass shootings to back your points ? ...... Thought not. Do you know what medication does ? ........ Thought not.
Wake the fuck up indeed.

The ban being lifted on assault guns back in 2004 certainly didnt help. They seem to be a common link so hopefully the ban will be re-instated. One good thing which hasnt been spoken about is looking at all aspects of every case in the last 30 years and spotting the links. Then work on those.

Mental health, drink, drugs, violent video games..... Look at whats common and fix it.



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