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jlf1961 -> From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 1:48:52 PM)

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Man slashes 22 children near China school

BEIJING -- A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning, China's worst such incident in more than a year.

The attack was reminiscent of a spate of knife attacks on schoolchildren that took place across China in 2010. In most cases, the attackers were unemployed middle-aged men, leading to speculation that the assaults stemmed from economic and social discontent.

Friday's attack occurred at about 7:40 a.m. as children were arriving outside the gate of Chenpeng Village’s Wanquan Elementary School. The suspect, Min Yingjun, 36, allegedly slashed an elderly woman as well as the children. Local propaganda officials said later that Min had a psychological illness.
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Not as bad as the massacre at the school in CT today, but still this is unnerving. But according to the story, this is not the first such incident.

It seems that children are the preferred target for the disillusioned and troubled. This in and of itself says a lot for human civilization, IMO.




DomKen -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 1:50:18 PM)

22 injured children is a tragedy. 20 dead children is a cataclysm.




stef -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 2:00:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Not as bad as the massacre at the school in CT today, but still this is unnerving. But according to the story, this is not the first such incident.

Not even remotely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29

Sadly, people who want to lash out will always find the means, no matter what is banned or available.




meatcleaver -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 2:19:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

Man slashes 22 children near China school

BEIJING -- A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning, China's worst such incident in more than a year.

The attack was reminiscent of a spate of knife attacks on schoolchildren that took place across China in 2010. In most cases, the attackers were unemployed middle-aged men, leading to speculation that the assaults stemmed from economic and social discontent.

Friday's attack occurred at about 7:40 a.m. as children were arriving outside the gate of Chenpeng Village’s Wanquan Elementary School. The suspect, Min Yingjun, 36, allegedly slashed an elderly woman as well as the children. Local propaganda officials said later that Min had a psychological illness.
Source


Not as bad as the massacre at the school in CT today, but still this is unnerving. But according to the story, this is not the first such incident.

It seems that children are the preferred target for the disillusioned and troubled. This in and of itself says a lot for human civilization, IMO.


This doesn't seem a sensible post on a day were 20 children are guned down in an American school.




tazzygirl -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 2:28:01 PM)

It only goes to show that if they want to kill, they will find a way... guns... bombs... knives....

Such sadness.




meatcleaver -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:23:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

It only goes to show that if they want to kill, they will find a way... guns... bombs... knives....

Such sadness.


Guns and bombs are far more efficient than knives at killing people. The sensible thing is to make killing people as inefficient as possible, which is to stop people getting hold of guns and bombs.




tazzygirl -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:26:49 PM)

Apparently it was efficient enough to kill 22 children in China

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story




SpiritedRadiance -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:31:05 PM)

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Pictures uploaded to the Internet by bystanders show family members carrying young children with bandages on their heads. The local reports state that four seriously wounded children were transferred to other hospitals for intensive care.


Apparently you cant read Tazzy, it says INJURED.. Not killed...4 seriously injured 22 slashed/stabbed





meatcleaver -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:32:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Apparently it was efficient enough to kill 22 children in China

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story


Are you a spokesman for the gun lobby? 22 children weren't killed in the attacked you linked. the article says 20 children were killed in a year in China through similar atacks.




stef -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:33:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Guns and bombs are far more efficient than knives at killing people. The sensible thing is to make killing people as inefficient as possible, which is to stop people getting hold of guns and bombs.

This is a puerile argument. Cars have killed more people by several orders of magnitude. They are incredibly efficient killing machines. By your reasoning, they should be on the top of your ban list.




tazzygirl -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:39:31 PM)

LOL.... I cant help if you dont consider children who have been stabbed/slashed with a machete as being "seriously injured".

Pst.... btw....

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In 2010, nearly 20 children were killed and 50 wounded in a string of copycat incidents around central China. China has strict gun control laws, so knives are the weapon of choice in violent crimes


My number was off.




meatcleaver -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:40:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Guns and bombs are far more efficient than knives at killing people. The sensible thing is to make killing people as inefficient as possible, which is to stop people getting hold of guns and bombs.

This is a puerile argument. Cars have killed more people by several orders of magnitude. They are incredibly efficient killing machines. By your reasoning, they should be on the top of your ban list.


It's not a puerile argument. The US government doesn't allow people to use bombs because they are efficient at killing people and would cause social and economic unrest without control.

I can understand the gun lobby not wanting guns to be seen as an efficient terror weapons like bombs but that is precisely what guns are.




tazzygirl -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:40:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Apparently it was efficient enough to kill 22 children in China

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story


Are you a spokesman for the gun lobby? 22 children weren't killed in the attacked you linked. the article says 20 children were killed in a year in China through similar atacks.



Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?

This should be real good. [;)]




meatcleaver -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:45:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Apparently it was efficient enough to kill 22 children in China

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story


Are you a spokesman for the gun lobby? 22 children weren't killed in the attacked you linked. the article says 20 children were killed in a year in China through similar atacks.



Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?

This should be real good. [;)]


You made a false statement which the US gun lobby often make in their defence of free access to guns.




tazzygirl -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:49:42 PM)

Oh come on.... you can surely give me more details than that.

What is the false statement?

Is it only gun lobbyists who use it?

Do you have proof only they use it?




meatcleaver -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:54:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Oh come on.... you can surely give me more details than that.



You implied 22 two children were killed in a knofe attack, yet the article you linked said 20 children were killed in similar knife attacks and the 22 were injured. You either can't read or relay information. one r the other.




tazzygirl -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 3:55:24 PM)

Naaa.. kittens often help me type. My only fault was not proofing what we typed.

Now, back to my questions.




tazzygirl -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 4:19:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Oh come on.... you can surely give me more details than that.



You implied 22 two children were killed in a knofe attack, yet the article you linked said 20 children were killed in similar knife attacks and the 22 were injured. You either can't read or relay information. one r the other.


What is the false statement?

Is it only gun lobbyists who use it?

Do you have proof only they use it?


You forgot the questions.




jlf1961 -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 4:34:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

Man slashes 22 children near China school

BEIJING -- A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning, China's worst such incident in more than a year.

The attack was reminiscent of a spate of knife attacks on schoolchildren that took place across China in 2010. In most cases, the attackers were unemployed middle-aged men, leading to speculation that the assaults stemmed from economic and social discontent.

Friday's attack occurred at about 7:40 a.m. as children were arriving outside the gate of Chenpeng Village’s Wanquan Elementary School. The suspect, Min Yingjun, 36, allegedly slashed an elderly woman as well as the children. Local propaganda officials said later that Min had a psychological illness.
Source


Not as bad as the massacre at the school in CT today, but still this is unnerving. But according to the story, this is not the first such incident.

It seems that children are the preferred target for the disillusioned and troubled. This in and of itself says a lot for human civilization, IMO.


This doesn't seem a sensible post on a day were 20 children are guned down in an American school.



Gee are you saying that since 20 kids in the US were killed that the 22 children slashed and stabbed do not warrant some consideration?

The point I was trying to make, that seems to elude you, is that children are being targeted in other places around the world. I made it clear that since no child in this incident died, it was not as bad as the killing of 20 children.

I would like to point out that in the civil war in Syria that over 1400 children have been killed, an untold number have been killed in the violence in Africa, and in 2010 1500 children died in the US from child abuse and neglect, the latest data currently available.

Yes, 20 children killed by a single gunman is tragic and terrible. But the number of children that die world wide due to violence and neglect is staggering.

Human society is turning on its children, a point that is clear when you look at the numbers.

I just cited another example.

By the way, over 3000 children are killed by gun related violence in the US each year.

And I am a gun ownership proponent.




tazzygirl -> RE: From the other side of the world (12/14/2012 4:52:16 PM)

Its ok.. I understand. [;)]

I will be nice and give you an out.

I completely agree with the 2nd Amendment.. Gun Ownership in this country is a right per our Constitution. Without an Amendment to our Constitution, that cannot be changed and any attempts will come before the Supreme Court and be deemed unconsitutional.

Having said that, I have no issue with gun control. Which is another issue, and one your snide comment about being a gun lobbyist overlooked.

Depending on which report at this moment you go with...

"then left his house armed with at least two semi automatic handguns, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, and a semi automatic rifle. He was also wearing a bullet proof vest."

Glock - Semi-automatic pistol

The Sig Sauer is a semi-automatic rifle, that is possibly part of the Sig Sauer SIG556 series of semi-automatic rifles. They can be bought retail starting at about $1,266 for a SIG556 Classic, which features a 16” barrel length and a magazine capacity of 30 rounds, according to some reports.

Hard to tell if the Sig was also the rifle... conflicting reports on that.

And, I got this info from numerous sites, so if you want "proof" highlight then hit search.

I see no reason for anyone to own such weapons. None. If you are defending yourselfm a hand pistol would do just fine, or a rifle. Why a semi automatic that can shoot hundreds of rounds?

Now, since I have explained my position on guns to you, as I have to others on this forum, maybe next time you wont be so quick to assume.







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