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jlf1961 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 10:38:57 PM)
Read what I posted about soft target accessibility concerning department of homeland security. You dont have to be on a clock tower, just a high or well though out position. Why do people think snipers are always high up? sniper a marksman who shoots at people from a concealed place Nothing about always being on high ground.

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 10:43:27 PM)
Where did I say that a sniper HAD to be on the high ground,seriously dooood,you are overdue,long overdue. Take a nap,please, I assure you I know the definition of "sniper"...I even know what it means to snipe at someone [8\|]

SimplyMichael -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 10:44:28 PM)
Mike, i wish i was wrong and you were right bit isnt our talking about a guy who shot someone and had time to.load ip her guns and then drive to a school, walk to a window, break in and go on a rampage with a rifle sort of proof that crazies can do crazy stuff? He could have used ancient cowboy guns and killed just as many. You wont prevent this by anything i have heard here.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 10:50:26 PM)
Your idea wont work, i could get around it with my eyes closed. I worked for major importers when all tgose wonderful vans happened. All it did for us was let us sell more guns for higher prices. Cut off the mag catch...no longer takes mags...and someone sells a kit to fix it. Put a plug in the gas tube. The ways around it are wonderful.mental exercises but your ban does nothong but make people fear the ban and bug more.

Owner59 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 10:51:02 PM)
Sharp shooting is a lost art and NOT what happens in battle. When our GIs first started fighting the Japanese in the jungle during WWII,the training and SOP and tradition was a one shot one kill approach. As new GIs got to the battle,they were told to forget all that b/c they`re never going to be able to see the enemy. The new tactic was, after the position was found,that everyone was to lay fire on that spot with as much fire-power as possible,to keep the enemy`s head down and out flank them. They loved the Browning BAR and Thompson 45 Sub machine gun.Not for accuracy but for volume and fire power. They were told that bullets could be replaced but a GI`s life couldn`t. This is the very reason that full auto,high capacity,small/medium round rifles were developed.

jlf1961 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 10:52:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Where did I say that a sniper HAD to be on the high ground,seriously dooood,you are overdue,long overdue. Take a nap,please, I assure you I know the definition of "sniper"...I even know what it means to snipe at someone [8\|] Mike did you read the wording i posted to cover every weapon with the capabilities you are concerned with? I was able to take a nap, not long enough, my 10 month old great nephew decided to crawl up on my bed and smack me in the face, I dont like to close my door. Any way, you mentioned high ground, so I misunderstood. Others keep mentioning sniper and high ground in the same sentence. Mike I will even tell you something else. Get any weapon using the Lapua .338 round. That round was designed purposely for snipers, it is a long range high power high velocity round.

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 10:54:32 PM)
I wish you saw the utility in at least trying I mean what the fuck these are our children we are talking about,this isn't some esoteric discussion about the theoretical limits of freedoms and government overreach . This is real,it is human tragedies on a scale that I ,for one,am no longer willing to put up with I have a child,a grown child to be sure,but I hope one day he makes a grandfather out of me....what will their schools look like. Will they,out of necessity look like an armed camp wherein the children are locked up each and every day ? It may well come to that,but before we get there....I think we are required to try some other paths.

jlf1961 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 11:02:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u I wish you saw the utility in at least trying I mean what the fuck these are our children we are talking about,this isn't some esoteric discussion about the theoretical limits of freedoms and government overreach . This is real,it is human tragedies on a scale that I ,for one,am no longer willing to put up with I have a child,a grown child to be sure,but I hope one day he makes a grandfather out of me....what will their schools look like. Will they,out of necessity look like an armed camp wherein the children are locked up each and every day ? It may well come to that,but before we get there....I think we are required to try some other paths. I am already there mike and I have a two grandsons attending schools that the local police department has officers in the schools and the plan is to put metal detectors in, and this is an elementary school

JeffBC -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 11:14:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u 9/11 occurred and even before planes started flying again there were a whole new batch of security regulations in place. Americans learned to live with them. And to be just a little safer while flying. Not all Americans learned to live with them and not all Americans agree (in some cases backed up with quite credible credentials and data) that we are "safer". In fact, most of the experts I've read say that we feel safer rather than being safer. All at the cost of billions of dollars and getting perved by DHS thugs. I'd prefer not to repeat that mistake here. I see Obama weeping his great big crocodile tears for us all on stage but I fear that he's sees this as yet another patriot act opportunity. I remain positive, though, about any actual research that anyone might have which would lend credence to the theory that <insert form of gun control here> would substantively reduce <insert gun violence crime here> at some reasonable balance between personal liberty and societal safety and cost. If I knew of such a paper and assuming the government was actually interested in ... well ... reality then I'd be up for testing it on a limited deployment basis somewhere, measuring results, tweaking as required and then making a nationwide decision. But if I get behind such a thing it's going to have to be credible science not bullshit politics. To this business of putting "volunteers" in the schools... that freaks me right the fuck out. No question about it that if a school district did that where my children were going I'd pull them out THE NEXT DAY. I see that option as substantially more perilous to their immediate health (both physical and emotional) than the status quo... not to mention the chilling consequences to the US in terms of being a "police state".

JMG05 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 11:19:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc Well I feel no cars need to go over the legal speed limit of 65 mph, so from now on noones vehicle may exceed 65 mph all vehicles currently owned must have their motors downsized to lawnmower engines or be crushed and melted into chunks of steel. Actually not to bad an idea. Many of your class 8 trucks on the road are governed at 65 mph. This has reduced the consumption of fuel as well as added to the saftey figures. Speed kills. Oh and btw I don't know where you live but the speed limit in many states is higher than 65, Texas just allowed an 85 mph (if memory serves) on a new section of tollway.

Raptorsc -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 11:29:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JMG05 quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc Well I feel no cars need to go over the legal speed limit of 65 mph, so from now on noones vehicle may exceed 65 mph all vehicles currently owned must have their motors downsized to lawnmower engines or be crushed and melted into chunks of steel. Actually not to bad an idea. Many of your class 8 trucks on the road are governed at 65 mph. This has reduced the consumption of fuel as well as added to the saftey figures. Speed kills. Oh and btw I don't know where you live but the speed limit in many states is higher than 65, Texas just allowed an 85 mph (if memory serves) on a new section of tollway. I live in indiana with the exception of one streach of toll road, we're 65.

JMG05 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 11:34:35 PM)
See the arguement continues and no one wishes to find ways to curtail the tragic events that keep happening. It is so divided and no one can agree on what should be done. We should all be concerned with the rights we have but when those rights begin to trample upon humanity then maybe we all need to take a step back and take a look at what is most important. It seems this is a boiling point, babies killed...babies. It is fucking nuts and we as a society are going down the tubes. It seems to me that tragic events like Aurora and Milwaukee, to name a few made a nation mourn. Friday made a nation breakdown and sob, it made a nation angry. We cannot keep killing each other but for God's sake we wont allow babies to killed. So maybe it is time instead of worrying so much about some of the rights we have and worry about the babies who lost theirs. Start coming together and focus on what we should do collectively in the name of those children. God what does the world see when they look at us killing babies like this. Yes, I am fully aware of the crap that goes on around the world but we are supposed to be an example. We are better than this.

jlf1961 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 11:38:12 PM)
I am sorry to say this, but he only way this is not going to happen again is metal detectors at the doors with an officer manning them, officers patrolling the halls, bullet proof glass in every window, and a heavy police presence when children are arriving and departing school. And if someone approaches the school in a Ryder truck, shoot first and then ask questions.

JMG05 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 11:54:56 PM)
I think we can do better than making every building a prison. I am not saying that these kinds of things wont ever happen, that wouldn't be objective but....We need to change on so many levels. We have to stop fighting amongst each other. Man when I was a kid growing up things looked pretty good. Now all we do is fight amongest ourselves and its hurting us as a people and a nation. I think we have forgotten what is important, how to treat people. Now if a person is in poverty and needing a hand he/she is lazy bum looking for a handout. Everything seems to be an extreme. We can start by treating each other better and rise together for some positive change in this country. I think its a little late for gun control and honestly don't think it will help much as much as I hate guns. Not to mention people do have rights. Our problems are many but not so far gone that we cannot come together and do what is right for all of us. That is the point I am trying to make and I think the slaughter of babies is a good starting point.

Kirata -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 11:56:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl This has nothing to do with a black market This has nothing to do with gang bangers This has to do with a mentally ill person getting his hands on guns legally obtained and owned by someone he knows, and allows him access too. This case doesn't. But thousands of children and teens die every year from shootings, and the problem encompasses every one of them. It's not just about suburban flakes with careless relatives. For someone to suggest that a different focus could have greater impact should not be objectionable to anyone with a real interest in our country's children. K.

jlf1961 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 11:57:12 PM)
JMG05, you do realize that some school districts already have the changes I suggested in place?

tazzygirl -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/18/2012 12:03:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl This has nothing to do with a black market This has nothing to do with gang bangers This has to do with a mentally ill person getting his hands on guns legally obtained and owned by someone he knows, and allows him access too. This case doesn't. But thousands of children and teens die every year from shootings, and the problem encompasses every one of them. It's not just about suburban flakes with careless relatives. For someone to suggest that a different focus could have greater impact should not be objectionable to anyone with a real interest in our country's children. K. Its gotta start somewhere. Now is the perfect time.

JMG05 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/18/2012 12:04:55 AM)
Yes I do. I know the high school my kids went to in Kyle had police officers at school all day long. Also some schools have metal detectors so yes but I still think we can do better. I am not some lofty liberal with hope running through my veins but I know as a people we are better than what we have shown these past years. There has to be a point where we rise up and say....we can do better. We have to try and drop the semantics and try to find what is going to be best for us collectively. I have never before been afraid for what the future holds for my children and I don't mean them going to school in an over reaction but what it really holds for them.

jlf1961 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/18/2012 12:09:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl This has nothing to do with a black market This has nothing to do with gang bangers This has to do with a mentally ill person getting his hands on guns legally obtained and owned by someone he knows, and allows him access too. This case doesn't. But thousands of children and teens die every year from shootings, and the problem encompasses every one of them. It's not just about suburban flakes with careless relatives. For someone to suggest that a different focus could have greater impact should not be objectionable to anyone with a real interest in our country's children. K. I have said that I dont know how many times and never seem to make a point. I want to know how you are gonna get the guns out of the hands of street and drug gangs. I will say it again, they kill 30000 men women and children a year. we dont have inner cities and poor neighborhoods, we have urban war zones and the cops are out gunned and out numbered.

tazzygirl -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/18/2012 12:27:39 AM)
quote: I want to know how you are gonna get the guns out of the hands of street and drug gangs. Take what they are stealing from gun owners out of circulation. Their supply will dry up somewhat. I cant solve all problems. But this one is one that can be solved with some thought and some planning.

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