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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:40:43 PM

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People are uneducated but afraid to say so, so this is the result. paranoia, bans, hatred, fear mongering, stupidity, death.

All of it avoidable, with education, responsibility, knowledge...

All I can say is that those two lines would only make sense in the context of a very *American* debate about guns, Raptor. Me, it'd be like talking about which is the more dangerous to meet coming along a street in London, a bear or a tiger. *That* is how alien this thread looks, I'd suggest, to non-Americans.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:41:03 PM

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you sound mad... are you mad?

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:42:05 PM

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you sound mad... are you mad?

Are you not upset? 20 children are dead.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:42:13 PM

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Not at all

Nor am I someone to cow tow to you because you can post a photo.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:43:13 PM

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I know what youre sayin peonfor her but as youve noticed people suddenly get very... aggressive when told they are afraid, suddenly they know it all and are making that "right" choice, when bottom line is you have no right to make my choice for me no matter how "right" you think you are.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:43:55 PM

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lol.... 10 posts... and you suddenly know these people?

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:44:27 PM

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cow to you? I just said you sound mad, I made a statement, you started calling me names, shouldn't i be the intimidated and afraid one here? I forgot only your opinion is the "right" one lmao

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:45:54 PM

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10 posts means I have no life experience now? at what number of posts do my thoughts an opinions become relevant? Im new here, I saw a topic i feel strongly about, I spoke up. what is this magical number i need to be heard in "Your world"? Ill go post some porn stuff and come back in a few days.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:46:15 PM

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What names?

Are you sure you are reading my posts?

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:47:15 PM

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10 posts means I have no life experience now? at what number of posts do my thoughts an opinions become relevant? Im new here, I saw a topic i feel strongly about, I spoke up. what is this magical number i need to be heard in "Your world"? Ill go post some porn stuff and come back in a few days.

No, 10 posts mean you dont know the posters here well enough to determine if anyone is afraid, or angry, or being "mean" to you.

Quit generalizing and we may get along better.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:47:47 PM

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Im a mind reader, i know nothing, i can shove it... you sound mad woe be to the newbie who has less than 1000 posts on thise forums! *thunder and lightning*

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:48:24 PM

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That's gold.

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Here's an editorial from USA today -- arguing that that Gun laws, not guns are the problem.

I can't think of one way to have prevented this CONN massacre. The NRA and Bushmaster Rifle have declined to issue any comments about this shooting. Their silence says it all.

It's just sad.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:50:17 PM

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Im a mind reader, i know nothing, i can shove it... you sound mad woe be to the newbie who has less than 1000 posts on thise forums! *thunder and lightning*

None of that is name calling. You sound like your feelings are hurt. And, please, dont take my words out of context.

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Please, kindly, take your generalizations, and shove them.

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Oh goody, you are a mind reader as well. Do tell us what knowledge I do or do not possess about this topic. If you cannot, then kindly shut up.

Im still waiting to see what names I called you.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:50:50 PM

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I never once said someone was *mean* I respect their thoughts as i expect them to respect mine, I understand where people want reductions in magazine sizes, lockdown of weapons, and for crisis's to be avoided, the issue isn't going to be resolved through stringent gun control is the topic im on.

the few of you who have the opinion (which i respect though disagree with) that a reduction in mag size or the banning of weapons is going to save anything is just ludacris.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:52:25 PM

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A gun in the right hands is a great thing.

A gun in the wrong hands is a terrible thing.

Problem is, too many guns are getting into the hands of people who never should have them to begin with, and they are getting them from law abiding, legal gun owners.

How do we solve that problem?

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:53:41 PM

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I never once said someone was *mean* I respect their thoughts as i expect them to respect mine, I understand where people want reductions in magazine sizes, lockdown of weapons, and for crisis's to be avoided, the issue isn't going to be resolved through stringent gun control is the topic im on.

the few of you who have the opinion (which i respect though disagree with) that a reduction in mag size or the banning of weapons is going to save anything is just ludacris.

Still not able to show me where I called you names..... interesting.

As to the rest, there are many here who are on both extreme ends of the debate.. and some who are in the middle. Perhaps availing yourself of the other threads might be beneficial. Im not sure, but it could.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 3:59:12 PM

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I posted earlier make mandatory gun classes and registration is a positive step. You have to take courses and a test to own a car. most of these shooting could have possibly been avoided through properly educated gun owners. the boy who did the shooting obtained his weapons supposidly through the inability or possibly desire of his mother to secure the household weapons. I can only speculate she didn't have the training and / or responsibility to own such weapons.

As a rather rabid gun owner myself I had no problems whatsoever submitting my forms and going to my police station to obtain my concealed carry licence as im sure many of the proper gun owners on this site do. I submit my tax stamps, and keep my weapons in a safe where they belong. no child will be walking out with anything i own to shoot up a school. Im sure if you have children the rules are ingrained in yours as well.

What needs to change? society needs to change. People need to stop blaming everything but themselves for the problems caused by a specific incident. If i had a child in my home this would be made into an abstract lesson around my home for them.

as for legal gun ownership, tightening up the reigns? yes i can get behind that, outright banishment solves nothing.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 4:02:04 PM

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you called me a mind reader you were condescending in your tone you made my 10th post seem less important because it was merely a 10 instead of a 231597238971. you dont look down on people and their opinions because of their posted number, you shouldn't look down on anyone in fact, i respect your opinion in the matter, but i think your tone is very out of line. Were having a discussion here that didn't spiral into a free for all and you came in calling people mind readers and talking trash.

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 4:04:20 PM

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Why are you talking to yourself?

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RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools - 12/17/2012 4:05:49 PM

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I posted earlier make mandatory gun classes and registration is a positive step. You have to take courses and a test to own a car. most of these shooting could have possibly been avoided through properly educated gun owners. the boy who did the shooting obtained his weapons supposidly through the inability or possibly desire of his mother to secure the household weapons. I can only speculate she didn't have the training and / or responsibility to own such weapons.

She was part of a shooting range club, from my understanding. So she had some training and knowledge.

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What needs to change? society needs to change. People need to stop blaming everything but themselves for the problems caused by a specific incident. If i had a child in my home this would be made into an abstract lesson around my home for them.

as for legal gun ownership, tightening up the reigns? yes i can get behind that, outright banishment solves nothing.

Who do I blame?

Irresponsible gun owners. Obviously, this mother constitutes as one. She knew someone in her family had problems.... or maybe she was in denial and didnt believe he did. He was an adult child.. not a kid... so we must take that into consideration. He shot her multiple times in the head. Could he have forced her to open the safe? its a possibility. Or she may not have had them locked up at all.

Jeff (JLF) took great exceptions to my suggestions. I am sure you would as well.

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