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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc

thousands of people die every year to cars that go to fast... moreso than shootings shootings shootings.... The only reason you dont make a stink about car deaths is because you "need" your car. bottom line is again youre blaming an inamiate object for your fear. refusing to take responsibility for what is a human problem. Attempting to take away something from everyone that doesn't need to be taken away because "You" feel its right.

Well I feel no cars need to go over the legal speed limit of 65 mph, so from now on noones vehicle may exceed 65 mph all vehicles currently owned must have their motors downsized to lawnmower engines or be crushed and melted into chunks of steel.

that is exactly how stupid your argument sounds right now.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Why are you talking to yourself?

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ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Ok.....say all that`s true.....

Why do you(or anyone) need a 150 round magazine?

Plinking isn`t good enough answer.

Neither is the "I don`t want the gov. or or anyone telling me what to do" line.

Personally I think those huge magazines are ridiculous and pretty much pointless. They're also unreliable and expensive. But some people want one because they're unique. So they can brag, look how cool my gun is. Not something unique to gun owners.

Now, if we're going to ask why about things. Why do you need a car that can do 200MPH when it's illegal to do more then 65 almost anywhere? I'll lay odds that more people who by super cars are planning to speed, then guys who buy 100rd mags are of shooting up schools. And considering the number of traffic deaths per year I think that's a reasonable question.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc

thousands of people die every year to cars that go to fast... moreso than shootings shootings shootings.... The only reason you dont make a stink about car deaths is because you "need" your car. bottom line is again youre blaming an inamiate object for your fear. refusing to take responsibility for what is a human problem. Attempting to take away something from everyone that doesn't need to be taken away because "You" feel its right.

Well I feel no cars need to go over the legal speed limit of 65 mph, so from now on noones vehicle may exceed 65 mph all vehicles currently owned must have their motors downsized to lawnmower engines or be crushed and melted into chunks of steel.

that is exactly how stupid your argument sounds right now.

Well "stupid"is subjective....and your understanding of my argument,or my position is questionable at best.
But I think I fully understand your stance....you don't want anyone fucking with your right to possess certain toys...fair enough
But please try a little honesty,come right out and tell us that you will accept the deaths of other peoples little children as the price we all oay for your right to go to walmart and purchase an Ar-15.
Don't be shy,don't be coy...just come out and admit that the Second amendment comes at a cost and that you are willing to let OTHER people pay it.
As my buddy Kirata says......thanks for playing.


p.s. My position,if you care to hear it has nothing to do with guns currently in circulation,no rational person expects a house to house search and seizure of privately held weapons.
My position has everything to do with future sales of weapons and the banning of certain classifications of weapons(probably some of your favorite toys),micr stamping of ammunition etc,etc
Whether or not you like this position I will remind you that this President ran on a platform (in 2008) that included resumption of the assault weapon bad that was allowed to expire.I would further remind you that this President is a father and that this President seemed awfully resolved to do something about the carnage.....so maybe just maybe the NRA is finally right about him....I sure hope so.

(how's that for stupid.....lol)

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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc
I respect their thoughts as i expect them to respect mine

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Problem is, too many guns are getting into the hands of people who never should have them to begin with, and they are getting them from law abiding, legal gun owners.

How do we solve that problem?

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies
It doesn't matter you morons, the only thing that matters is stopping another atrocity from happening

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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc
The swiss have high gun ownership rates, you dont see their children running around blowing up schools.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc
The swiss have high gun ownership rates, you dont see their children running around blowing up schools.

The Swiss also have a public education system that doesn't make dogs laugh: I suspect you'll get a lot further trying to get gun control past the NRA than you will introducing something like that in your country.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc
The swiss have high gun ownership rates, you dont see their children running around blowing up schools.

The Swiss also have a public education system that doesn't make dogs laugh: I suspect you'll get a lot further trying to get gun control past the NRA than you will introducing something like that in your country.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I admit that I am mystified by the assault rifle discussion.

Weren't those children and teachers shot with some kind of pistols?

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Problem is, too many guns are getting into the hands of people who never should have them to begin with, and they are getting them from law abiding, legal gun owners.

How do we solve that problem?

Breed better people.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc
The swiss have high gun ownership rates, you dont see their children running around blowing up schools.

The Swiss also have a public education system that doesn't make dogs laugh: I suspect you'll get a lot further trying to get gun control past the NRA than you will introducing something like that in your country.

The Swiss keep their full automatic machineguns at home. They also have universal healthcare and have sane drug laws and dont have a permanent underclass.

Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs has.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A gun in the right hands is a great thing.

A gun in the wrong hands is a terrible thing.

Problem is, too many guns are getting into the hands of people who never should have them to begin with, and they are getting them from law abiding, legal gun owners.

How do we solve that problem?

I'm sure this kid's mother was as blind-sided as everyone else. I base that conclusion on the fact that her son shot her in the face. She probably thought he was responsible, and not for a minute the kind of kid who would do anything like this. I suppose we could require as a matter of law that weapons be secured in households where minors are present or visiting and that they be maintained under supervision at all times. But if those laws don't already exist, enacting them would only codify what every responsible gun owner already knows and practices. So I doubt there'd be much flak over it.

The bigger problem goes way beyond this one shooting. Shootings that are no less troubling are a regular occurance in some areas of our country, committed by people who should never have gotten their hands on a gun, but did, thanks to a thriving black market in firepower. The obvious solution to the wider problem of guns in the wrong hands, and its consequences, is to make illegal possession and/or sale a major law enforcement target. That would requires resources, however, and our government seems to feel that it is more important to stop people from getting high than to stop them from killing each other.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc
the saddest part in my opinion is right now, somewhere some fool is sitting there watching tv, thinking about how he could "do better" to get all this attention focused on him / her.

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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc

I know what youre sayin peonfor her but as youve noticed people suddenly get very... aggressive when told they are afraid, suddenly they know it all and are making that "right" choice, when bottom line is you have no right to make my choice for me no matter how "right" you think you are.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I admit that I am mystified by the assault rifle discussion.

Weren't those children and teachers shot with some kind of pistols?

one was an "assault rifle" hence the discussion and the other was a pistol from the news report i read but the news report has been changing so rapidly, tbh i dont think they even know what truly went down theyre just feeding off the sensationalism of the moment.

the saddest part in my opinion is right now, somewhere some fool is sitting there watching tv, thinking about how he could "do better" to get all this attention focused on him / her.