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slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:05:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc thousands of people die every year to cars that go to fast... moreso than shootings shootings shootings.... The only reason you dont make a stink about car deaths is because you "need" your car. bottom line is again youre blaming an inamiate object for your fear. refusing to take responsibility for what is a human problem. Attempting to take away something from everyone that doesn't need to be taken away because "You" feel its right. Well I feel no cars need to go over the legal speed limit of 65 mph, so from now on noones vehicle may exceed 65 mph all vehicles currently owned must have their motors downsized to lawnmower engines or be crushed and melted into chunks of steel. that is exactly how stupid your argument sounds right now. Well "stupid"is subjective....and your understanding of my argument,or my position is questionable at best. But I think I fully understand your stance....you don't want anyone fucking with your right to possess certain toys...fair enough But please try a little honesty,come right out and tell us that you will accept the deaths of other peoples little children as the price we all oay for your right to go to walmart and purchase an Ar-15. Don't be shy,don't be coy...just come out and admit that the Second amendment comes at a cost and that you are willing to let OTHER people pay it. As my buddy Kirata says......thanks for playing. p.s. My position,if you care to hear it has nothing to do with guns currently in circulation,no rational person expects a house to house search and seizure of privately held weapons. My position has everything to do with future sales of weapons and the banning of certain classifications of weapons(probably some of your favorite toys),micr stamping of ammunition etc,etc Whether or not you like this position I will remind you that this President ran on a platform (in 2008) that included resumption of the assault weapon bad that was allowed to expire.I would further remind you that this President is a father and that this President seemed awfully resolved to do something about the carnage.....so maybe just maybe the NRA is finally right about him....I sure hope so. (how's that for stupid.....lol)

Raptorsc -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:06:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Why are you talking to yourself? Because i didn't see the quote button earlier, I am new here :p

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:09:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Ok.....say all that`s true..... Why do you(or anyone) need a 150 round magazine? Plinking isn`t good enough answer. Neither is the "I don`t want the gov. or or anyone telling me what to do" line. Personally I think those huge magazines are ridiculous and pretty much pointless. They're also unreliable and expensive. But some people want one because they're unique. So they can brag, look how cool my gun is. Not something unique to gun owners. Now, if we're going to ask why about things. Why do you need a car that can do 200MPH when it's illegal to do more then 65 almost anywhere? I'll lay odds that more people who by super cars are planning to speed, then guys who buy 100rd mags are of shooting up schools. And considering the number of traffic deaths per year I think that's a reasonable question. Where have I heard this specious argument before.....oh yeah,a few post before you.Maybe you guys could sort of split up the usual lines and each choose which silly NRA bullshit talking points you are going to drag out here . Yanno,in the interests of brevity and to make sure you get all the highlights in.[8\|]

Raptorsc -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:15:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc thousands of people die every year to cars that go to fast... moreso than shootings shootings shootings.... The only reason you dont make a stink about car deaths is because you "need" your car. bottom line is again youre blaming an inamiate object for your fear. refusing to take responsibility for what is a human problem. Attempting to take away something from everyone that doesn't need to be taken away because "You" feel its right. Well I feel no cars need to go over the legal speed limit of 65 mph, so from now on noones vehicle may exceed 65 mph all vehicles currently owned must have their motors downsized to lawnmower engines or be crushed and melted into chunks of steel. that is exactly how stupid your argument sounds right now. Well "stupid"is subjective....and your understanding of my argument,or my position is questionable at best. But I think I fully understand your stance....you don't want anyone fucking with your right to possess certain toys...fair enough But please try a little honesty,come right out and tell us that you will accept the deaths of other peoples little children as the price we all oay for your right to go to walmart and purchase an Ar-15. Don't be shy,don't be coy...just come out and admit that the Second amendment comes at a cost and that you are willing to let OTHER people pay it. As my buddy Kirata says......thanks for playing. p.s. My position,if you care to hear it has nothing to do with guns currently in circulation,no rational person expects a house to house search and seizure of privately held weapons. My position has everything to do with future sales of weapons and the banning of certain classifications of weapons(probably some of your favorite toys),micr stamping of ammunition etc,etc Whether or not you like this position I will remind you that this President ran on a platform (in 2008) that included resumption of the assault weapon bad that was allowed to expire.I would further remind you that this President is a father and that this President seemed awfully resolved to do something about the carnage.....so maybe just maybe the NRA is finally right about him....I sure hope so. (how's that for stupid.....lol) I do not accept the deaths of children in any way shape or form, and earlier i did say tightening down on access to firearms is completely acceptable. however in most of these recent shooting to my knowledge were done with semi automatic weapons pistols or shotguns. no machine guns were involved. thus magazine size is irrelivant, thats my point. The cost for your second amendment rights has nothing to do with small children being murdured. I piece of paper did not instruct that boy to walk into that school and murder those innocent children. it did not force him to do so, it did not give him the right to do so. demolishing a fundemential right of citizen ship is a slippery slope, at what point do you take a stand? when they decide to take something you like want or need? The swiss have high gun ownership rates, you dont see their children running around blowing up schools. Its a problem that isn't going to be solved through a piece of paper that says "no" Its going to be solved when people wake the hell up and get responsible.

Rule -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:19:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc I respect their thoughts as i expect them to respect mine I do not and will not respect your thoughts. Nor those of any other person or entity. In fact I do not respect my own thoughts. If one of my thoughts lacks substance, I will most certainly annihilate it.

Rule -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:20:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Problem is, too many guns are getting into the hands of people who never should have them to begin with, and they are getting them from law abiding, legal gun owners. How do we solve that problem? Breed better people.

Rule -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:22:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies It doesn't matter you morons, the only thing that matters is stopping another atrocity from happening We could perchance start by being civil with one another?

Moonhead -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:24:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc The swiss have high gun ownership rates, you dont see their children running around blowing up schools. The Swiss also have a public education system that doesn't make dogs laugh: I suspect you'll get a lot further trying to get gun control past the NRA than you will introducing something like that in your country. [;)]

Raptorsc -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:27:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc The swiss have high gun ownership rates, you dont see their children running around blowing up schools. The Swiss also have a public education system that doesn't make dogs laugh: I suspect you'll get a lot further trying to get gun control past the NRA than you will introducing something like that in your country. [;)] That we can agree on, I am impressed with the swiss :)

Rule -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:30:52 PM)
I admit that I am mystified by the assault rifle discussion. Weren't those children and teachers shot with some kind of pistols?

SimplyMichael -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:31:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc The swiss have high gun ownership rates, you dont see their children running around blowing up schools. The Swiss also have a public education system that doesn't make dogs laugh: I suspect you'll get a lot further trying to get gun control past the NRA than you will introducing something like that in your country. [;)] The Swiss keep their full automatic machineguns at home. They also have universal healthcare and have sane drug laws and dont have a permanent underclass. Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs has.

Kirata -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:33:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl A gun in the right hands is a great thing. A gun in the wrong hands is a terrible thing. Problem is, too many guns are getting into the hands of people who never should have them to begin with, and they are getting them from law abiding, legal gun owners. How do we solve that problem? I'm sure this kid's mother was as blind-sided as everyone else. I base that conclusion on the fact that her son shot her in the face. She probably thought he was responsible, and not for a minute the kind of kid who would do anything like this. I suppose we could require as a matter of law that weapons be secured in households where minors are present or visiting and that they be maintained under supervision at all times. But if those laws don't already exist, enacting them would only codify what every responsible gun owner already knows and practices. So I doubt there'd be much flak over it. The bigger problem goes way beyond this one shooting. Shootings that are no less troubling are a regular occurance in some areas of our country, committed by people who should never have gotten their hands on a gun, but did, thanks to a black market in firepower. The obvious solution to the wider problem of guns in the wrong hands, and its consequences, is to make illegal possession and/or sale a major law enforcement target. Doing that would require a committment of resources, of course, and our government unfortunately seems to feel that it's more important to stop people from getting high than to interfere with them killing each other. K.

Raptorsc -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:33:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I admit that I am mystified by the assault rifle discussion. Weren't those children and teachers shot with some kind of pistols? one was an "assault rifle" hence the discussion and the other was a pistol from the news report i read but the news report has been changing so rapidly, tbh i dont think they even know what truly went down theyre just feeding off the sensationalism of the moment. the saddest part in my opinion is right now, somewhere some fool is sitting there watching tv, thinking about how he could "do better" to get all this attention focused on him / her.

tazzygirl -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:33:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Problem is, too many guns are getting into the hands of people who never should have them to begin with, and they are getting them from law abiding, legal gun owners. How do we solve that problem? Breed better people. [sm=rofl.gif]

Moonhead -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:35:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc The swiss have high gun ownership rates, you dont see their children running around blowing up schools. The Swiss also have a public education system that doesn't make dogs laugh: I suspect you'll get a lot further trying to get gun control past the NRA than you will introducing something like that in your country. [;)] The Swiss keep their full automatic machineguns at home. They also have universal healthcare and have sane drug laws and dont have a permanent underclass. Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs has. Now that you mention that, I do wonder if having to go through compulsory national service might help encourage a bit of self control in Swiss people before they start filling their house with guns?

Raptorsc -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:35:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl A gun in the right hands is a great thing. A gun in the wrong hands is a terrible thing. Problem is, too many guns are getting into the hands of people who never should have them to begin with, and they are getting them from law abiding, legal gun owners. How do we solve that problem? I'm sure this kid's mother was as blind-sided as everyone else. I base that conclusion on the fact that her son shot her in the face. She probably thought he was responsible, and not for a minute the kind of kid who would do anything like this. I suppose we could require as a matter of law that weapons be secured in households where minors are present or visiting and that they be maintained under supervision at all times. But if those laws don't already exist, enacting them would only codify what every responsible gun owner already knows and practices. So I doubt there'd be much flak over it. The bigger problem goes way beyond this one shooting. Shootings that are no less troubling are a regular occurance in some areas of our country, committed by people who should never have gotten their hands on a gun, but did, thanks to a thriving black market in firepower. The obvious solution to the wider problem of guns in the wrong hands, and its consequences, is to make illegal possession and/or sale a major law enforcement target. That would requires resources, however, and our government seems to feel that it is more important to stop people from getting high than to stop them from killing each other. K. They reported he was a depressive child on medications, if that is still the case i do not know, but you dont leave firearms laying around when your child is on medications for being depressive, If that report was accurate it was only a matter of time for that woman.

Moonhead -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:36:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc the saddest part in my opinion is right now, somewhere some fool is sitting there watching tv, thinking about how he could "do better" to get all this attention focused on him / her. That's the American way: you gotta keep raising the bar... [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:36:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc I know what youre sayin peonfor her but as youve noticed people suddenly get very... aggressive when told they are afraid, suddenly they know it all and are making that "right" choice, when bottom line is you have no right to make my choice for me no matter how "right" you think you are. no one is making a choice for you,no one is seeking to make your choices for you. What I and others are clamoring for is some sensible,meaningful gun control legislation...on the federal level. What you choose to do after that is of course your choice,I assume you are cognizant that some choices have consequences....you are free to do as you please. Please do recognize that the rest of us have freedoms too.

ladynlord -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:37:18 PM)
Armed "volunteers" was the topic at issue. Perhaps not the solution. I would assume that since schools are "weapons free zones" that if someone wanted to cause as much carnage as possible without resistance, that would be the likely spot to choose. So while that may not have been the reason the murderer selected this school, it certainly was an easy target. I have not yet heard what type of security was used at that particular school in Conn. In our area, each school is assigned a School Resorce Officer that is a specially trained Deputy with the Sheriffs Department. He/She undergoes special classes and certifications over and above that of the normal "road" Deputy. Each SRO is armed with the side arm that they qualified with. Anyone attempting what young Lanza did is met with an immediate armed response. Having spoken to and coming to know many of these SRO deputies, they have told me time and again, that they are more concerned about hand guns than "long guns" which are harder to conceal on approach to the school grounds. Of course, that makes no difference if the schools in Conn. have no way to repel an attack...whether you could see it coming or not, if no one in the school was trained, armed, and able to respond, then you are an easy target plain and simple. So, while "volunteers" may not be the answer, making oneself less of a target through ON SITE, WELL TRAINED, and ARMED law enforcement is our areas answer. Yes, it did raise the tax rate through a 1/2 cent sales tax. Money well spent! Money happily spent! And on an answer and solution that has worked.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 4:37:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I admit that I am mystified by the assault rifle discussion. Weren't those children and teachers shot with some kind of pistols? one was an "assault rifle" hence the discussion and the other was a pistol from the news report i read but the news report has been changing so rapidly, tbh i dont think they even know what truly went down theyre just feeding off the sensationalism of the moment. the saddest part in my opinion is right now, somewhere some fool is sitting there watching tv, thinking about how he could "do better" to get all this attention focused on him / her. somewhere in my country there is some fool thinking about how he could do better but he has almost no chance at all of getting hold of the kind of weapons needed to "do better" here, that is your problem

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