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The bigger problem goes way beyond this one shooting. Shootings that are no less troubling are a regular occurance in some areas of our country, committed by people who should never have gotten their hands on a gun, but did, thanks to a thriving black market in firepower. The obvious solution to the wider problem of guns in the wrong hands, and its consequences, is to make illegal possession and/or sale a major law enforcement target. That would requires resources, however, and our government seems to feel that it is more important to stop people from getting high than to stop them from killing each other.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

If we are getting the NRA excuses about why people need assault rifles, perhaps somebody could answer me this one: whatever for?
My understanding was that if you're hunting you need a shotgun or a bolt action rifle, and if you want a gun to keep in the house or the car (or on your person in a concealed carry state) for self defence, then a pistol is going to be good enough.
Why exactly do you need a submachine gun (let alone an assault rifle) unless you're planning a bank job or a spree killing?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

If we are getting the NRA excuses about why people need assault rifles, perhaps somebody could answer me this one: whatever for?
My understanding was that if you're hunting you need a shotgun or a bolt action rifle, and if you want a gun to keep in the house or the car (or on your person in a concealed carry state) for self defence, then a pistol is going to be good enough.
Why exactly do you need a submachine gun (let alone an assault rifle) unless you're planning a bank job or a spree killing?

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I admit that I am mystified by the assault rifle discussion.

Weren't those children and teachers shot with some kind of pistols?

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Liar

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The AR-15 was eventually adopted by the United States military under the designation M16

What's not clear to you here? The AR-15 was and is a civilian weapon that the military adapted by adding automatic fire capability. Your claim to the contrary and your claim that "AR-15" is just a civilian designation for the M16 assault rifle are both pure bullshit.

K.

what the fuck is wrong with you people??

All those dead children and the best you can do is argue over what or what isn't a true assault rifle?

I think unwittingly you have uncovered the true nature of Americas problem.

It doesn't matter you morons, the only thing that matters is stopping another atrocity from happening

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I admit that I am mystified by the assault rifle discussion.

Weren't those children and teachers shot with some kind of pistols?

No. they were shot with a Bushmaster AR-15

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Not actually the question I asked, or anything to do with it.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I admit that I am mystified by the assault rifle discussion.

Weren't those children and teachers shot with some kind of pistols?

No. they were shot with a Bushmaster AR-15

Is that now official? Last I heard he had stolen an AR from his mother, but it wasn't found in the school. That the weapons he entered the school with were pistols. A SIG and a Glock.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

the best you could hope for when the 2nd was written was a musket, a fucking musket.
Weapons have evolved a little from there yet the 2nd still stands as this immovable object that has to be protected at all costs otherwise one of your "freedoms" is removed.

Every law is about removing a freedom, why is the 2nd so damn special?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/us/lanza-used-a-popular-ar-15-style-rifle-in-newtown.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Not actually the question I asked, or anything to do with it.

I did...but the other two reasons is history and omfg they are fun to shoot.

As a left wing commie who has shaken Mikhail Kalishnikov's hand, held prototypes of Armalights and can ahow you where stoner stole ever bad design for the POS ar...i really do like the history they represebt.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Not actually the question I asked, or anything to do with it.

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ORIGINAL: Raptorsc

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Not actually the question I asked, or anything to do with it.

you asked why do you need an assault rife, Im informing you "assault rifles" such as the ar15 are used as hunting, sporting, and target shooting guns. I answered your questing i thought, maybe im not understanding it

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

If we are getting the NRA excuses about why people need assault rifles, perhaps somebody could answer me this one: whatever for?
My understanding was that if you're hunting you need a shotgun or a bolt action rifle, and if you want a gun to keep in the house or the car (or on your person in a concealed carry state) for self defence, then a pistol is going to be good enough.
Why exactly do you need a submachine gun (let alone an assault rifle) unless you're planning a bank job or a spree killing?

Well thats why the argument over the definition of an assault weapon flared up, an ar15 is used as a hunting, sporting, target shooting platform. as far as i am aware none of the recent shooting used an "automatic weapon" all weapons used are legaly obtainable for use in home defense and / or hunting.

the last "maching gun" shootout i am aware of, was the two robbers vs all those cops in california all those years back. california has crazy strict gun laws and they had guys out there stealing tanks... so that just shows you how obediant crazys are to "laws"

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

the best you could hope for when the 2nd was written was a musket, a fucking musket.
Weapons have evolved a little from there yet the 2nd still stands as this immovable object that has to be protected at all costs otherwise one of your "freedoms" is removed.

Every law is about removing a freedom, why is the 2nd so damn special?

No, that was the best the government had, many civilians had rifles, as in rifled bores, shhot father and with greater accuracy.

Now, do you want to use your same logic for the rest of the bill of rights? No protection for phones, internet, email, or privacy from electronic eavesdropping, etc?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Not actually the question I asked, or anything to do with it.

you asked why do you need an assault rife, Im informing you "assault rifles" such as the ar15 are used as hunting, sporting, and target shooting guns. I answered your questing i thought, maybe im not understanding it

AR-15's are terrible hunting and target shooting weapons. They were designed to be less accurate than hunting rifles and earlier military rifles, shorter barrels amongst other features.

People buy AR's becuase they are either completely clueless or have rambo fantasies.

If you intend to hunt and do it well you get a decent 30 caliber rifle (.30-30 or 30-06 or .308) or a .22 RIM for small game. Both also work much better for target shooting than an AR.