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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/19/2012 9:11:19 PM

slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

So calling out racism is somehow 'racist'? Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah... that's classic David Duke/ StormFront rhetoric that is seeping across the internet wherever people try to have rational discussions about society.

Again, I call bullshit.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Nearly two black kids a day die...nobody says shit.

As for me, i run an inner city community garden and do other outreach to public schools, how about you?

What has any of that to do with whether or not I give a shit.
You are the one who came here and tried to make this about black and white,you did so in response to the outrage over 20 young children shot in their school.
You seem to think the fact that they happened to be,for the most part,white is germane to the conversation.
It is not.
They were 6 and 7...they were completely innocent.
That is all that fucking matters.

The rest of it is nothing more than your attempt to deflect the conversation and I will not,in any way shape or form,allow you to do so...certainly I will not aid you in this pathetic tact.

WTF am I through the looking glass ?
Perhaps you need to look at the larger picture,the full posting history.
Go to that trouble...than get back to me.
Call bullshit all you like...I can stand on my posting history,let everyone else do the same

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/19/2012 9:16:38 PM

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It is a worthy goal, and like many goals it isn't going to come to us.
Across society, and in each subset of society are problems and various factors that feed into those problems.

The outcomes are always the same - war, poverty, killings, and the dirge that hasn't stopped playing since the dawn of time... 'The Rich Get Richer'.

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I think that people, especially the typical parent, is very moved when children who are killed are so young, though both my kids are teens and I cannot imagine losing them. And I think there is something to people viewing gang violence differently than a spree killer gunning down first graders. I am not saying that is right, just that I think we tend to think that way.

I remember when a pretty blond girl in my state went missing a few years ago. it made international news. And it was the topic of lots of media for a long time. What a lot of the national people didn't know was that a young person of color who lived in the same area of the state also went missing during that time.....and no, not many people heard about her. I am not sure what all led to that wide chasm of media attention. I think it was likely more about money, but I would have to be an idiot to not wonder if race didn't somehow play a part.

I don't know what can be done about the discrepancies that seem to appear at times. Honestly, as a southern white woman, I am not sure I am someone who CAN do a whole lot except try to make sure I don't fall into that unbalanced thinking and raise my kids not to think that way. A lot of the black friends I have tend to find it a bit condescending when white people "pity" them for things like that, and I can understand that. As a white woman, I have never had to live with that constant undercurrent.

I don;t think the answer is to pay LESS attention to the death of 20 children. I think the answer might be to pay MORE attention to those kids who die every day instead of tuning it out. And I admit that I have been guilty of tuning it out too because it seems so pervasive at times. It's probably the touchy feely fluffy teacher in me, but I think kids should be protected no matter where they grew up or what race or socioeconomic status they have. Yeah yeah yeah....kumbaya, I know. But I still believe it.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 3:40:38 AM

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The outrage is directly linked to the numbers of kids killed in a single incident. If these kids had been killed one at a time over a period of time, it wouldn't have made the news. And do we know for a fact that they were all white?( I refuse to watch the coverage on the grounds that it is immoral on the part of the tv stations to exploit the parents grief for days and weeks on end)

There was a shooting in a predominantly black neighbourhood near where i live, and no-one who witnessed it saw anything when the cops came investigating. Amazing.
There needs to be a culture change so that it isn't tattling to the cops to help them. Nothing changes unless someone in the community changes it.

SimplyMichael, your heart is in the right place but as an outsider, i'm not sure you can make an effective change in cultural mores.

and if you want appauling (besides my spelling) look at the number of kids killed in car wrecks. and there is no outrage over that. We are innuned to that.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 5:06:40 AM

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The death rate for young black men is staggering but few here give a rat's ass.

Oh my god 20 white kids die, amend the United States Constitution!

Of course.

White middle class kids are at the top of the social hierarchy, black people aren't.

The gunman being white and middle-classed for many is an uncomfortable truth, hence the popularity in labelling him a social misfit or mentally ill. The white heterosexual middle classes don't have issues, because social issues affect only those who are deemed responsible in some way for those issues.

Of course the media and politicians are scrambling round like headless chickens looking for something to do about this issue, because both parties are heavily reliant on white heterosexual middle class families voting for them to achieve political office.

The right to bear arms and possess guns is a part of American culture. You can't suddenly make it all easier by dismissing a part of that culture. You're stuck with it.

You can amend the constitution and pass gun control laws all you like, but if such legislation is not respected and it doesn't become a part of culture you're just pissing in the rain.

It's just tokenism because there's a lot of people out there who just don't give a toss about anything or anyone who doesn't directly affect them.

And God forbid the politicians who start wanting to do something for people finding themselves lower down in the social hierarchy.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 6:17:58 AM

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The death rate for young black men is staggering but few here give a rat's ass.

Oh my god 20 white kids die, amend the United States Constitution!

Going at the problem from the wrong side man. Think again

Maybe he is... certainly the rhetoric is a bit severe but I live in Baltimore where several times a year black children and adolescents are killed by gun fire and it never reaches the national news.

Over 60 school aged children have been killed in Chicago in 2012

Go to any urban center with a majority black population and look at the numbers of children and adolescents killed by gunfire and violent crime and the numbers are are appalling.

It's one thing for the national and local medias to ignore these killings but what I find almost inexplicable is how the black community ignores these deaths and fails to hold their elected leaders accountable, worse somehow the blame gets shifted outside the very communities effected most.

Thats not true either. There is blame to go around to everyone. Everyone has a piece of this. From Washington not working harder to pressure the latin countries to eradicate drugs to our military paying mullahs to grow poppies. From Banks that launder fat cat drug money to vermin who pray on their own in the streets. State Houses and Mayors offices don't help but they've been given a whole lot less to work with from the kind people that elected them cause those people figure that Blacks got too much already. And anyway, Blacks have no personal responsibility right?

That isn't even scratching the economic mess that are inner cities. IF you can even get a job outside of the community most are gonna get minimum wage and a healthy chunk of that is gonna go for transportation. Opportunity and training? You ever noticed that the longest lines for jobs and training are in our communties? Don't tell me we don't want it or look for it. We do. It ain't there.

Start a business? Yeah Chase Bank and Goldman are running to the inner city to find the next Bill Gates......sure.

Education? If you remember back 3 months most of the republicans were shouting that teachers were over paid. We should have less of them. Education should be cut and slashed. So which is it? Education or no.......

But you got the right to your opinion however misguided it is. People in the inner city care. Care more and give more than you can possibly imagine. Can you say that same?

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 9:20:26 AM

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The death rate for young black men is staggering but few here give a rat's ass

It's not that no one gives a rats ass it is just that like you say ever day they are killing each other and you get numb to the news. Remember how the first soldiers killed in the recent wars were treated in the news. Their pictures were everywhere...interviews with the families...video of caskets carried off planes... Now their deaths are very seldom even reported except for line or two on page 8 of the paper. Well it is the same for shooting deaths of black kids on the mean streets of our nation. You can only hear so many stories of innocent children shot on their porches before you tune it out.

It does not mean you don’t care but it does mean you feel helpless to make changes and just thank God it is not your kids.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 2:51:07 PM

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Its mostly inner city kids shooting inner city people, but they are black so nobody gives a shit.

I think that's a key point. As I said in the Muslims v. Newtown thread (this seems to be everybody's day for scoring political points off the bodies of dead Connecticut schoolkids), the Sandy Hook massacre aroused a "That could have been my kid!" feeling that doesn't arise from deaths in the Middle East or the inner city (which, sadly can seem just as foreign). Right or wrong, it's easier to feel empathy for those who are like oneself rather than "other."

Also, time and space fused the Sandy Hook shootings into a single horror. In just minutes (seconds?), 26 people lay dead, 26 families were shattered. That tragic drama arrests the attention in a way that individual deaths do not. Perhaps our brains shouldn't work that way, but my experience has been that they do.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 3:05:45 PM

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It is also that it happened at school, kids were in class, parents have no control or way to protect them once their child is in school so they trust the system & teachers to do that for them.. parents want to feel their kids are safe there (even if that isnt reality)..

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 3:06:18 PM

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By the way... no, I don't give a shit. As long as they are busy shooting each other they don't have time to kick my door down again and rob me.

Terrible confession: Back when D.C. enjoyed the dubious distinction of being the nation's "murder capital," I sometimes felt this way about our own homicides, which were largely drug-related. After all, they were decreasing the surplus population just as Ebenezer Scrooge had advised.

Then a stray bullet hit a member of my church.

She was five.

I swear, I could hear the Ghost of Christmas Present saying, “Man — if man you be in heart, not adamant — forbear that wicked cant until you have discovered What the surplus is, and Where it is. Will you decide what men shall live, what men shall die? It may be that, in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than millions like this poor man’s child."

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 3:57:44 PM

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It is also that it happened at school, kids were in class, parents have no control or way to protect them once their child is in school so they trust the system & teachers to do that for them.. parents want to feel their kids are safe there (even if that isnt reality)..

True. In her sermon on Sunday, our priest talked about the daily challenge of getting her five-year-old twins to school each morning, and how she sometimes thinks, "Thank God they're at school for the next six hours!" She said it had never occurred to her that there might be a day when they didn't come home.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 7:19:56 PM

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Its mostly inner city kids shooting inner city people, but they are black so nobody gives a shit.

Well, of course...if they want to shoot their own (and then of course, blame the media, whites, the 1%, others)...I'm not gonna jump in and say "yeah we gotta do something about this".

Go to school.

Finish school.

Quit killing your own kind.

Take care of your babies.

Show up.

Educate yourself.

Quit leaving your wives and your babies.

Quit hooking your own to all kinds of chemicals because the money's good.

Build.

And a myriad of other issues.

STOP IT!

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 7:32:58 PM

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Of course, regardless of the actual (factual) statistics...now I'm a racist.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 7:39:56 PM

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If you say so.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/20/2012 11:08:02 PM

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Personally i find that depressing and scary.. there is an American (former politician) who has been saying that in 20 years the US will basically be a third world country.. while that sounds an extreme change, even to me, when I look at this city, I see how it is possible that the US spiral down to that..

I think it will take more than 20 years before the USA is a third world country; second world, sure, I can see that in 20 years, but not third world. Not unless you get another GWB or the like (e.g. backlash over gun control).

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/21/2012 12:05:56 AM

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Personally i find that depressing and scary.. there is an American (former politician) who has been saying that in 20 years the US will basically be a third world country.. while that sounds an extreme change, even to me, when I look at this city, I see how it is possible that the US spiral down to that..

I think it will take more than 20 years before the USA is a third world country; second world, sure, I can see that in 20 years, but not third world. Not unless you get another GWB or the like (e.g. backlash over gun control).

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yeah, I do think the US will decline over the next 20 years, but I was surprised he was saying to third world status.. but then I look around Houston.. so much of it is third-worldish.. poor people dont have the money to do repairs on their houses and foreclosures in poor areas get vandalized.. the people that have a job and live in nicer houses get broken into and robbed by poorer people near them.. and if you are white and have money, you sure dont live in those areas.. There are poor areas in other large cities too, just here its such a stark difference, at least to my eyes..

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/21/2012 12:18:59 AM

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By the way... no, I don't give a shit. As long as they are busy shooting each other they don't have time to kick my door down again and rob me.

Yup, this. I live in Baltimore where every single day there are at least 3 shootings, most of them fatal and it's ALWAYS black on black.

NM: had a whole schpeel wrote up but figured I'd just get called something nasty and unpleasant. Not worth it.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/21/2012 12:23:51 AM

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The outrage is directly linked to the numbers of kids killed in a single incident. If these kids had been killed one at a time over a period of time, it wouldn't have made the news.

Agreed.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/21/2012 12:28:05 AM

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As to the link about the black children dying...It's Baltimore dude. It happens so much here that everyone is just kinda used to it. I mean, every single day on my twitter account, I get news reports about another black child dying for one reason or another. Yeah, it's bad but it's not just Baltimore. I've lived all over and it's the same way. But if 20 black children die, then yeah....it would be big news....but one or two or even three a day? Yeah....it's just an everyday common occurrence.

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/21/2012 2:10:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Go to school.

Finish school.

Quit killing your own kind.

Take care of your babies.

Show up.

Educate yourself.

Quit leaving your wives and your babies.

Quit hooking your own to all kinds of chemicals because the money's good.

Build.

And a myriad of other issues.

STOP IT!

And this is somehow specific to the black community?

Just out of curiosity.....

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RE: Dead black kids...who cares - 12/21/2012 4:35:38 AM

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The death rate for young black men is staggering but few here give a rat's ass.

Oh my god 20 white kids die, amend the United States Constitution!

How dare you even think you know what I (or anyone else on this site) care about.

Your post made me sick. I seriously hope you find it comfortable in the "I know better than anyone else about life and kink and everything else" bubble that you seem to live in lately.

I just hope I am around when it bursts.

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