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Zonie, the following link may help although it is still a bit confusing to those who dont understand our system.
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/parliament-crown/
For intance lets talk about The Crown Estate.
At least one US poster insists this means the Queen or her successors own everthing belonging to the Crown. The answer is that they do,but ONLY while they are reigning monarch. That said, although they "own" Crown lands, they make no revenue from it. ALL revenue made goes back to the tax payer. The Royals also have no power to sell this land, and indeed dont run it. Thats done by a board of commissioners appointed by Parliament.
I also saw you ask Meat if the Monarch could have asked to address Parliament..... He could have asked to see the Prime Minister but since the English Civil war no Monarch can enter Parliament without its permission. The Monarchy is infact neutral, politically speaking. The Prime Minister is the leader of the Government and has De Facto control of the armed forces.
I hope this helps, any questions just shout.
well you have a few aspects correct to varying degrees.
the monarch has the power to dissolve the government if she wanted to. LOL
Granted she has all these admistrators just like we do to take care of the daily operations.
Lots of people eat lots of puppy chow and believe the monarch is nothing more than a figurehead, ah huh!
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Escheat
Escheat is a common law doctrine that operates to ensure that property is not left in limbo and ownerless. It originally referred to a number of situations where a legal interest in land was destroyed by operation of law. so that Ihc ownership of the land reverted to the immediately superior feudal lord.
Most cominon-law jurisdictions have abolished the concept of feudal tenure of property, and so the concept of escheat has lost something of its meaning. Even in England and Wales, where escheat still operates as a doctrine of land law, there arc unlikely to be any feudal lords to take property on an cschcal, so that in practicc the recipient of an escheated property is ihe Crown.
The term is often now applied to the transfer of the title to a person's property to the state when the person dies intestate without any other person capable of taking the property as heir. For example, a common-law jurisdiction's intestacy statute might provide that when someone dies without a will, and is not survived by a spouse, descendants, parents, grandparents, descendants of parents, children or grandchildren of grandparents, or great-grandchildren of
grandparents, then the person's estate will escheat to the state.
In some jurisdictions, cscheat can also occur when an entity, typically a bank, credit union or other financial institution, holds money or property, and the property goes unclaimed, for instance, by lack of deposits, withdrawals or any other transactions for a lengthy time in a liquid account. In many jurisdictions, if the owner cannot be located, such property can be revocably escheated to the government.
In business, it is the process of turning over unclaimed or abandoned payroll checks, or stocks and shares whose owners cannot be traced, to a state authority (in the United Slates). A company is required lo file unclaimed property reports with state annually and, in some jurisdictions, to make a good-faith effort lo find the owners of their dormant accounts. The escheating criteria arc driven by individual state regulations.
Origins in feudalism
In feudal England, escheat (pronounccd ccshcet) referred to the situation where the tenant of a fief died without an heir or committed a felony. The fief reverted to the King’s ownership for one year and one day. by right of primer seisin, after which it reverted lo the original lord who had granted it. From the lime of Henry III. the monarchy look particular interest in escheat as a source of revenue.
Fief = fee
simple = type of contract
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In English law, also adopted in the US a fee simple (or fee simple absolute) is an estate in land, a form of freehold ownership. It is the way that real estate is owned in common law countries, and is the highest ownership interest possible that can be had in real property. Allodial title is reserved to governments under a civil law structure. Fee simple ownership represents an ownership interest in real property, though it is limited by government powers of taxation, eminent domain, police power, and escheat, and it could also be limited further by certain encumbrances or conditions in the deed.[citation needed] Fee simple ownership interest may be limited by government powers through a shift from allodial title to fee simple, such as when uniting with other property owners acceding to zoning restrictions and municipal regulation.[citation needed]
ha! wiki finally has it LOL
see america just like in england!
Instead of defaulting to a "feudal lord" it defaults to a corporation!
See how slick we abolished feudalism? We gave it a different name!
the state!
people in america think that when they own land its theirs and it is nothing more than english law transferred here!
the word owner mean INTEREST in something, you all dont own anything! Just interest in things!
From the 12th century onward, the Crown appointed eschealors to manage escheats and report to ihe Exchequer, with one esc heat or per county established by the middle of the 14th century. Upon learning the death of a tenant, the escheator would hold an ’inquisition post mortem" to learn if the king had any rights to the land. These were often preceded by a "writ of diem clausit extremum" issued by the king to seize the lands, and hold the I.P.M. If there was any doubt, the escheator would seize the land and refer die case to Westminster where it would be settled, ensuring that not one day's revenue would be lost. This would be a source of concern with land owners when there were delays from Westminster.
English common law Thus, under English common law. there were two main ways an escheat could happen:
1. A person's property escheated if they were convictcd of a felony (but not treason, when the property was forfeited to the Crown). If the person was executed for the crimc. their heirs were ineligible to inherit. (In most common-law jurisdictions, this type of escheat has been abolished outright. For example, the rule has been abolished in the United States under Article 3 § 3 of the United States Constitution, which states that attainders for treason do not give rise to posthumous forfeiture, or "corruption of blood”.)
2. If a person had no heirs to receive their property under a will or under the laws of intestacy, then any property that they owned at death would escheat. (Again, this rule has been replaced in most common-law jurisdictions by bona vacantia or a similar concept.)
Escheat can still occur in England and Wales, if a person is made bankrupt or a corporation is liquidated. Usually this means that all the property held by that person is 'vested in' (transferred to) the Official Rcccivcr or Trustee in Bankruptcy. However, it is open to the Reccivcr or Trustee to refuse to accept that property by disclaiming it. It is relatively common for a trustee in bankruptcy to disclaim property where freehold property (such as the common
parts of a block of flats) would ordinarily pass to the trustee to be realised in order to pay die bankrupt's debt, but die property is, for example, split into leased flats which give the landlord an obligation to spend money. The bankruptcy of the original owner means that the freehold is no longer the bankrupt's property, but the disclaimer destroys the freehold estate, so that die land ceases to be owned by anyone and becomes land held by the Crown in demesne. This situation affects a few hundred properties each year.
which of course is how this country is controlled outside out government, by defaulting on loans that were never paid.
Although such escheated property is owned by the Crown, it is not part of the Crown Estate, unless the Crown (through the Crown Estate Commissioners) completes' the escheat, by taking steps to exert rights as owner.
dont we love to play with that word owner? They are not the owner until they exerts their rights of ownership! Of course we realize that they owned just about everything east of the missy sloppy yeh?
Thankfully in America we are FREE!!!!!!!FREE!!!!!!!FREE!!!!!!!FREE!!!!!!!FREE!!!!!!!
Wisconsin constitution
Territorial property. SECTION 2. The title to all lands and
other property which have accrued to the territory of Wisconsin
by grant, gift, purchase, forfeiture, escheat or otherwise shall
vest in the state of Wisconsin.
Ultimate property in lands; escheats. SECTION 3. The
people of the state, in their right of sovereignty, are declared to
possess the ultimate property in and to all lands within the juris-
diction of the state; and all lands the title to which shall fail from
a defect of heirs shall revert or escheat to the people.
another fun word PEOPLE its just a fucking word! May as well call it king!
Territorial property. SECTION 2. The title to all lands and
other property which have accrued to the territory of Wisconsin
by grant, gift, purchase, forfeiture, escheat or otherwise shall
vest in the state of Wisconsin.
Ultimate property in lands; escheats. SECTION 3. The
king, in its right of sovereignty, are declared to
possess the ultimate property in and to all lands within the juris-
diction of the state; and all lands the title to which shall fail from
a defect of heirs shall revert or escheat to the king.
the king states self protection:
Attainder; ex post facto; contracts. SECTION 12. No bill
of attainder, ex post facto law, nor any law impairing the obliga-
tion of contracts, shall ever be passed, and no conviction shall
work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate.
another one of my favorites!
this is the state of wisconsin man!
Feudal tenures; leases; alienation. SECTION 14. All
lands within the state are declared to be allodial, and feudal ten-
ures are prohibited. Leases and grants of agricultural land for a
longer term than fifteen years in which rent or service of any
kind shall be reserved, and all fines and like restraints upon
alienation reserved in any grant of land, hereafter made, are
declared to be void.
several cases on the books, on grounds that if the land is allodial people should not have to pay taxes. you can wipe your ass with this constitution. They didnt bother to tell you WHICH PEOPLE and it aint joe plumber!
That and allodial in wisconsin doesnt mean what it does in the rest of the world.
yep a shit pile by any other name is still shit pile :)
there polite now you can have a state of wisconsin in your back yard the constitution is ready to go!
Seems to me they put all the land from virginia into the crown trust before they ceded it to the us corporation, never came back out of that black hole however. LOL
But we do not believe the king and state are one in the same do we?
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The ideal King of the english common- law represents the power and majesty of the whole community. His fiat makes laws2. His sentence condemns. His judgments give property, and take it away. He is the state'. It is true, that in the exercise of these powers, the real King, to whom they are necessarily entrusted, is advised, directed, and controlled by others.
But in the contemplation of law the sovereignty and undivided power of the state are in the King.
' Attorney-General's Speech in Hardy's Trial. Howell's State Trials, xxiv. 246.
2 In an argument before the Court of King's Bench, in 23 Edw. III. it was said, " Que le roy fist les leis par assent dez peres et de la commune, et non pas lez peres et la commune." Y. B. 23 Edw. III. i. 3. b.
8 " The person of the king, in name, is the state.
He is to all intents and purposes the sole representative of the state." Solicitor-General's Speech in Hardy's Trial. Howell's State Trials, xxiv. 1183.
see it gets a little tricky because the smarter people get and realize how they are getting fucked the more deceitful the law has to get to retain power on top.
King/state no difference as much as that eats americans and sends them into denial like worms in the rotten wood that it is.
democracy and freedom!
this gets fun when people actually start to look into these things ;)
hey democracy and freedom all the way!
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