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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 3:42:10 PM   
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No, I didnt... his story did. A synonym of consistently is usually... always.... Which is not the case.

consistantly the goal is to hit where no one can fight back and don't talk down to me when I took the reading test you bragged about elsewhere the test didn't go high enough to measure my reading (and no I no longer have the paperwork to prove it, but then niether do you)


wtf? No one talked down to you. I think you have your panties in a wad right now and you need to pull them out.


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No, I didnt... his story did. A synonym of consistently is usually... always.... Which is not the case.

The story which you presented as the final word on what happened when it didn't agree with me but which you now disavow since it disagrees with you it is gospel or hearsay take your choice


There is a huge difference between me posting what he said.. and me saying it myself. Shall I start talking down to you now?

Per my post here....

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4335214

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It can only be assumed that the gunman saw him. He was behind a pillar. Then the citizen went and hid.. I dont blame him for that action. But the citizen didnt stop him, the jammed gun did.


My position never changed. Your memory did.

your opinions are sacrosanct but you contenually demand that I prove mine to your satisfaction you lecture me on the use of the English language
I will and as you know have deffered to you on things medical that is your field
However we are discussing a field where you are lacking in expertese and understanding.
Case in point you do not comprehend the difference between rate of fire and lethality.
A bushmaster for example has a much higher rate of fire than a pump shotgun but is not nearly as leathal.
Each time you fire the shotgun it fires 9 .32 projectiles, there is little need for multiple shots as there is with the .223 High rate of fire equates first and formost to wasted rounds. High magazine capacity equates to smaller less effective rounds. The pure rate of fire equations you place so much faith in are false believed only by those who lack true familiarity with firearms. You do not understand the concept of profileing. When 9 out of 10 shooters choose gun free zones to perpitrate their atrocities it can legetimily be said that they consistently seek gun free zones. There are of course exceptions to every rule but to pretend that I don't understand English because you found one is not reasonable. If one person ran out of ammo or had their primary weapon jam when they saw armed oposition that could be the reason when 90% do it you have to consider that the armed opposition has some bering on the surrender or suicide. I have the Israely head of school security backing my position who do you havethat is half as qualified?

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 3:46:00 PM   
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It can only be assumed that the gunman saw him. He was behind a pillar. Then the citizen went and hid.. I dont blame him for that action. But the citizen didnt stop him, the jammed gun did.


My position never changed. Your memory did.

No it didn't you gave the article as what happened the citizen was sure that the gunman saw him and he would know better than either of us.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 3:57:04 PM   
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There are of course exceptions to every rule but to pretend that I don't understand English because you found one is not reasonable.


There you go with your boxers all bunched up again.

No one said you dont understand English. I was showing why I chose the argument I did.

The lethal accuarcy of each weapon is not in question.

What IS in question is your assertion that he chose that theater simply because it was a no gun zone. Why dont you wait till you have more proof than just the twinkle behind your smile to say that.

Could it be true? Yes. Could it be a lie? Just as equally yes. At this point, we dont know. So this is all an assumption you have come up with based upon the talking points from the gun enthusiasts.

Rest assured... when or if its ever known as to why he went where he did.. I will be revisiting this.. and you.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 3:58:25 PM   
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It can only be assumed that the gunman saw him. He was behind a pillar. Then the citizen went and hid.. I dont blame him for that action. But the citizen didnt stop him, the jammed gun did.


My position never changed. Your memory did.

No it didn't you gave the article as what happened the citizen was sure that the gunman saw him and he would know better than either of us.


Behind a pillar? Come on... the citizen admitted the gunman was trying to unjam his gun. then said citizen then went to hide.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 3:59:30 PM   
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The link below is to a Slate.com page.
This link is a few days old so undoubtedly the death tally has risen.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html?wpisrc=newsletter_jcr:content


Interesting article...I did attempt your link but could not get it, I googled it and this is the link I got. You make a very good point.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html

I find this article also complying

http://sbcoalition.org/2011/04/gun-violence-and-the-census-sobering-statistics/

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 4:04:04 PM   
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It can only be assumed that the gunman saw him. He was behind a pillar. Then the citizen went and hid.. I dont blame him for that action. But the citizen didnt stop him, the jammed gun did.


My position never changed. Your memory did.

No it didn't you gave the article as what happened the citizen was sure that the gunman saw him and he would know better than either of us.


Behind a pillar? Come on... the citizen admitted the gunman was trying to unjam his gun. then said citizen then went to hide.

you are intitled to your opinion

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 4:05:13 PM   
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There are of course exceptions to every rule but to pretend that I don't understand English because you found one is not reasonable.


There you go with your boxers all bunched up again.

No one said you dont understand English. I was showing why I chose the argument I did.

The lethal accuarcy of each weapon is not in question.

What IS in question is your assertion that he chose that theater simply because it was a no gun zone. Why dont you wait till you have more proof than just the twinkle behind your smile to say that.

Could it be true? Yes. Could it be a lie? Just as equally yes. At this point, we dont know. So this is all an assumption you have come up with based upon the talking points from the gun enthusiasts.

Rest assured... when or if its ever known as to why he went where he did.. I will be revisiting this.. and you.

what do you call it when you equated consistently to always

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 4:06:20 PM   
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There are of course exceptions to every rule but to pretend that I don't understand English because you found one is not reasonable.


There you go with your boxers all bunched up again.

No one said you dont understand English. I was showing why I chose the argument I did.

The lethal accuarcy of each weapon is not in question.

What IS in question is your assertion that he chose that theater simply because it was a no gun zone. Why dont you wait till you have more proof than just the twinkle behind your smile to say that.

Could it be true? Yes. Could it be a lie? Just as equally yes. At this point, we dont know. So this is all an assumption you have come up with based upon the talking points from the gun enthusiasts.

Rest assured... when or if its ever known as to why he went where he did.. I will be revisiting this.. and you.

I will be looking forward to your apology

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 4:22:12 PM   
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what do you call it when you equated consistently to always


http://thesaurus.com/browse/consistently

The synonym as I posted.

Part of Speech: adverb
Definition: usually
Synonyms: always, as usual, constantly, customarily, frequently, habitually, normally, per usual, persistently, regularly, routinely, steadily, typically

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 4:24:50 PM   
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I will be looking forward to your apology


LOL

You still got those boxers bunched. Funny thing about me. I am often told I am wrong. I am typically proven to be right.

However, unlike some, I do admit when I am wrong.

Might wanna dial back the holier-than-thou attitude. You may end up eating your words.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/29/2012 5:17:07 PM   
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I will be looking forward to your apology


LOL

You still got those boxers bunched. Funny thing about me. I am often told I am wrong. I am typically proven to be right.

However, unlike some, I do admit when I am wrong.

Might wanna dial back the holier-than-thou attitude. You may end up eating your words.

I usually find that the more certian someone is that I am wrong the less they understand the subject
And I have, when dealing with medical matters deffered toyour expertese.
I have even posted corrections to statements when more info has proven those posts wrong.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/30/2012 7:28:42 AM   
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fr - excerpts. I think its quite on point.

There are those who would argue that The Second Amendment doesn't apply to this sort of arm or that, as it was written in a time and age of muskets, not semi-automatic rifles or even machine guns.

That would be a nice appellation and is often run by leftists such as Arianna Huffington. She conveniently forgets that The First Amendment was written in a time when the only "press" consisted of movable type impressing ink upon paper, and yet she argues at the same time that contemporary means of publication, such as The Huffington Post on The Internet, fall within its meaning.

Certainly if The Internet falls under the meaning of The First Amendment then a semi-automatic rifle -- or even a machine gun -- falls under The Second Amendment.



Because we have an individual in our Senate, Diane Feinstein, who is proposing to put forward a facially-invalid law, on top of the 20,000 already-invalid gun laws on the books, purporting to violate The Second Amendment.



Witness Miller, in which the US Supreme Court remanded a case of a man tried for possession of a sawed-off shotgun, which the National Firearms Act had made illegal without registration and payment of a tax. The US Supreme Court's ruling included the effective claim that the sort of weapon in question was never used in any sort of militia organization.

This foundational claim presented to and accepted by the United States Supreme Court, upon which Miller rests, is a factual lie and the solicitors who presented it either knew or should have known they were lying.

It is a fact, supported by documents archived at the Government Printing Office, that the United States military procured some 30,000-40,000 sawed-off shotguns which it used to guard German prisoners of war during WWI!

If that's not a "militia use" could you please explain to me what would qualify?



Now let's add onto this: It is a fact that semi-automatic rifles with magazine capacities of more than 10 rounds, flash-hiders, pistol-grips, forward grips and various other accessories and "features" are factually militia weapons. So are semi-automatic pistols with more than 10 round capacity; indeed, they are issued today in such service. The very argument used by the gun-banners is the claim that these are "military-style" weapons when they press their argument for registration or a ban and yet it is those precise sorts of arms that Miller held were protected by the Second Amendment!

Therefore, even if we accept Miller as the test then it is facially unconstitutional to propose any law to require registration of, say much less ban, any such firearm.





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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/30/2012 10:31:30 AM   
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There are of course exceptions to every rule but to pretend that I don't understand English because you found one is not reasonable.


There you go with your boxers all bunched up again.

No one said you dont understand English. I was showing why I chose the argument I did.

The lethal accuarcy of each weapon is not in question.

What IS in question is your assertion that he chose that theater simply because it was a no gun zone. Why dont you wait till you have more proof than just the twinkle behind your smile to say that.

Could it be true? Yes. Could it be a lie? Just as equally yes. At this point, we dont know. So this is all an assumption you have come up with based upon the talking points from the gun enthusiasts.

Rest assured... when or if its ever known as to why he went where he did.. I will be revisiting this.. and you.

no it is a view based upon the facts and the consitency of shooters picking soft targets combined with the fact that the first time he saw someone who could shoot back he surrendered, it has nothing to do with anyones talking points
ps it appears that I may have missinterpeted your coment concering synonyms largely because it came on the heals of a comenet taht an exception disproved the rule

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/30/2012 10:33:02 AM   
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It can only be assumed that the gunman saw him. He was behind a pillar. Then the citizen went and hid.. I dont blame him for that action. But the citizen didnt stop him, the jammed gun did.


My position never changed. Your memory did.

No it didn't you gave the article as what happened the citizen was sure that the gunman saw him and he would know better than either of us.


Behind a pillar? Come on... the citizen admitted the gunman was trying to unjam his gun. then said citizen then went to hide.

Holmes' gunjammed as well but he didn't stop till the cops arrived

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/30/2012 1:32:05 PM   
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What does Holmes have to do with the mall shooting or who he may or may not have seen?

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/30/2012 7:05:07 PM   
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Why do you need a gun that can fire a large number of rounds in quick sucession?

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/30/2012 7:26:04 PM   
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Why do you need a gun that can fire a large number of rounds in quick sucession?


There are actually a number of reasons you need a 20 or 30 round magazine in a weapon.

1) Zombies travel in groups of 10 or more.
2) Game animals such as deer, elk, bear and rabbits have been getting black market weapons from the Russians.
3) You need 20 0or 30 rounds in a gun in case you miss with the first 10

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/30/2012 7:39:39 PM   
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It can only be assumed that the gunman saw him. He was behind a pillar. Then the citizen went and hid.. I dont blame him for that action. But the citizen didnt stop him, the jammed gun did.


My position never changed. Your memory did.

No it didn't you gave the article as what happened the citizen was sure that the gunman saw him and he would know better than either of us.


Behind a pillar? Come on... the citizen admitted the gunman was trying to unjam his gun. then said citizen then went to hide.

Holmes' gunjammed as well but he didn't stop till the cops arrived


Holmes was arrested outside the Theater next to his car at about 12:45...the police had arrived at about 12:40 they found at least three .40-caliber magazines, a shotgun and a large drum magazine on the floor of the theater but Holmes already had left. The actual shooting and such only last about 2 minutes starting at about 12:38 so say police...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/30/2012 7:42:30 PM   
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Why do you need a gun that can fire a large number of rounds in quick sucession?

It gives you options. For one, in dealing with a close-threat situation you're not reduced to having to go for a kill shot with the first round because you won't have time to reload and fire again if anything less fails to stop him.

But that said, I assume you're thinking of the "high capacity" magazines that some people want to ban.
    You wanna shoot up some kids, punk? Well guess what. You're gonna have to reload. Yeah. How do ya like that, eh? Thought you were smart, didn'tja. Betcha don't wanna shoot up no kids now.
Sorry, but I find it difficult to take that idea seriously.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/30/2012 7:44:48 PM   
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Why do you need a gun that can fire a large number of rounds in quick sucession?

It gives you options. For one, in dealing with a close-threat situation you're not reduced to having to go for a kill shot with the first round because you won't have time to reload and fire again if anything less fails to stop him.

But that said, I assume you're thinking of the "high capacity" magazines that some people want to ban.
    You wanna shoot up some kids, punk? Well guess what. You're gonna have to reload. Yeah. How do ya like that, eh? Thought you were smart, didn'tja. Betcha don't wanna shoot up no kids now.
Sorry, but I find it difficult to take that idea seriously.

K.




You are right, the argument dont hold water, anyone halfway proficient can reload pretty quick, and if they really want to kill a lot of people, they will just take more mags.

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