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Real0ne -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 8:06:17 PM)
and the semi auto argument is pretty worthless as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujvVmuLuoM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9AJzv8gb2A

jlf1961 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 9:39:48 PM)
Seems that the thread got turned into discussing various incidents lately. I dont own a semi automatic weapon that is .223, both of mine are .308. Yes I own a number of 20 and 30 round magazines. I also help out neighbors with dealing with wild hogs. They travel in herds and the large number of rounds available come in handy. As for having 30 rounds available for home defense. Look, if you dont hit the home invader with the first or second round, you probably aint going to hit him.

LizDeluxe -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 9:52:24 PM)
Donors spawn Connecticut gun buyback after mass shooting "These guns could have created victims," said Bridgeport Mayor Bill Finch. "We know if we can reduce the number of weapons that are available through breaking into people's houses and grabbing guns, we are a safer society." How about we deal seriously with these lowlife fuckers who kick our doors in and rob us? Oh, that's right - the problem is the guns. It's not these fucking animals that break into our homes and steal them. This one paragraph pissed me off so bad I can't see straight.

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 10:02:10 PM)
Nope. How about we deal with ways to prevent those low life fuckers who kick in doors from getting their hands on more guns. I agree they are criminals. Until they commit the crime, we dont know who they are. The only thing that can be controlled BEFORE the crime is to limit access.

kdsub -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 10:03:17 PM)
quote: Look, if you dont hit the home invader with the first or second round, you probably aint going to hit him Not trying to start a fight but I am repeating something a good friend said to me...by the way he is a gun collector. He said the same as you that his assault rifle was not for home defense but just for the fun of shooting. I asked him if his fun was so important to him that he was willing to enable mass murder with assault weapons just so he could have a blast once a month. He did not take kindly to my question. But to me it is a point to be considered. Butch

BamaD -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 10:17:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl What does Holmes have to do with the mall shooting or who he may or may not have seen? paterns

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 10:19:20 PM)
rofl... you and your "patterns" that you have yet to establish.

BamaD -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 10:45:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl rofl... you and your "patterns" that you have yet to establish. they are well established if you will just see them

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 10:48:17 PM)
No, you are trying to establish them. Show me proof.

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:28:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl rofl... you and your "patterns" that you have yet to establish. they are well established if you will just see them http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/disturbed/201209/mass-murderers-some-people-deserve-be-killed A psychopath is fully in touch with reality and plans murders carefully. These are the people who know exactly what they are doing and want to inflict as much damage as possible. With no remorse, they are free to do as they please. Being the narcissists that they are, mass killers make everything about them. The entire killing is meant to highlight the wrong that has been done to them while at the same time punishing those responsible. When you look at motivation, you find that what lies at the heart of their anger is victimization. Whether real or imagined, the psychopathic mass killer believes that he or she has been ruined in some way. Some lost their careers. Others lost relationships. Some feel victimized by the government. In any event, they lost something very near and dear to them. In their eyes, they were ruined, and a ruined person is a dangerous person. Think of a wounded, cornered animal. What do they do? They lash out from their pain and fear. This, of course, makes them less predictable and more lethal. Its not as simple as.... the theater was a no gun zone.

BamaD -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:31:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl No, you are trying to establish them. Show me proof. a person walks into a place were guns are not allowed shoots people left and right continues until he meets armed opposition then kills himself or surrenders right away without a fight what incident am I talking about?

BamaD -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:36:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl rofl... you and your "patterns" that you have yet to establish. they are well established if you will just see them http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/disturbed/201209/mass-murderers-some-people-deserve-be-killed A psychopath is fully in touch with reality and plans murders carefully. These are the people who know exactly what they are doing and want to inflict as much damage as possible. With no remorse, they are free to do as they please. Being the narcissists that they are, mass killers make everything about them. The entire killing is meant to highlight the wrong that has been done to them while at the same time punishing those responsible. When you look at motivation, you find that what lies at the heart of their anger is victimization. Whether real or imagined, the psychopathic mass killer believes that he or she has been ruined in some way. Some lost their careers. Others lost relationships. Some feel victimized by the government. In any event, they lost something very near and dear to them. In their eyes, they were ruined, and a ruined person is a dangerous person. Think of a wounded, cornered animal. What do they do? They lash out from their pain and fear. This, of course, makes them less predictable and more lethal. Its not as simple as.... the theater was a no gun zone. never once did I say the motivation was the gun free zone the m o is to attack people who can't fight back I am talking about how they choose thier targets not why. To say that they killed because there was a gun free zone is as absurd as to say they killed because they had a gun. In fact the person you just described will feel he is helpless against those who have wronged him and will take his revenge on people who can't fight back.

Kirata -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:41:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub He said the same as you that his assault rifle was not for home defense but just for the fun of shooting. I asked him if his fun was so important to him that he was willing to enable mass murder with assault weapons just so he could have a blast once a month. He did not take kindly to my question. But to me it is a point to be considered. In what it pleases some people to refer to as America's "gun culture," an ordinary semi-automatic rifle is not referred to as an assault weapon. So I have to confess to doubting the accuracy of your reporting here when you relate what he said about "his assault rifle". Did he call it that? Or is that your editing? In any case, I can appreciate his reaction. The idea that personal responsibility can be attached to him, simply by virtue of his ownership of his weapon, for "enabling" the deeds of other persons with other weapons is a prescription for holding anybody responsible for anything. Bad bad direction. No cigar. K.

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:43:04 PM)
The mall obviously was not in a no gun zone. All you can be talking about is the theater. And you have yet to prove that his only motivation for choosing that theater was the no gun policy. The mall shooting proves that theory to be incorrect. But, beyond that, most mass shootings have a personal tie to them. As the psychology article I posted above.

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:46:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: two did the fact remains that these guys routinly commit suicide when faced with someone who can shoot back but maybe his rifle jamming was the reason he shot himself also they with the exception of the gifford shooting only attack places where they assume there willbe no armed resistance like gun free zones. The Aurora shooter for example drove past two larger theaters to get to the only one in the area which bared guns from the property. If armed citizens are nodeterrent why do they always strike gun free zones? Could the other two theaters have been sold out? he didn't try them to find out quote: the fact is he choose the only gun free theater in the area and these nut cases virtually always choose gun free zones or do you want me to believe that it always just a coincidence Yes, you did, frequently.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:50:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD ...is as absurd as to say they killed because they had a gun... Taking into account tazzy's post... These mass killers want revenge of sorts against some aspect of society. And what's the quickest way to hit society where it hurts? With A GUN!! There's your pattern - GUNS! That's why there's virtually no correlation between all the gun-related deaths in the US. The only common denominator is a nutter with a gun!

BamaD -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:50:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl The mall obviously was not in a no gun zone. All you can be talking about is the theater. And you have yet to prove that his only motivation for choosing that theater was the no gun policy. The mall shooting proves that theory to be incorrect. But, beyond that, most mass shootings have a personal tie to them. As the psychology article I posted above. wrong, I am talking about auroa, newtown, pearl miss, columbine, viginia tech on and on. lets see since the guy at the mall wasn't in a gun free zone so that proves the theater wasn't chosen for being a gun free zone but the fact that the theator shooter didn't stop when his rifle jamed doesn't prove that the mall shooter didn't stop because his did. your analytic facillity is none fuctional

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:50:47 PM)
quote: never once did I say the motivation was the gun free zone the m o is to attack people who can't fight back I am talking about how they choose thier targets not why. To say that they killed because there was a gun free zone is as absurd as to say they killed because they had a gun. In fact the person you just described will feel he is helpless against those who have wronged him and will take his revenge on people who can't fight back. These types of killers retaliate against those who have wronged them. It would not matter who had guns or not.

BamaD -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:54:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: two did the fact remains that these guys routinly commit suicide when faced with someone who can shoot back but maybe his rifle jamming was the reason he shot himself also they with the exception of the gifford shooting only attack places where they assume there willbe no armed resistance like gun free zones. The Aurora shooter for example drove past two larger theaters to get to the only one in the area which bared guns from the property. If armed citizens are nodeterrent why do they always strike gun free zones? Could the other two theaters have been sold out? he didn't try them to find out quote: the fact is he choose the only gun free theater in the area and these nut cases virtually always choose gun free zones or do you want me to believe that it always just a coincidence Yes, you did, frequently. would you make this a relevant statement

BamaD -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/30/2012 11:55:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: never once did I say the motivation was the gun free zone the m o is to attack people who can't fight back I am talking about how they choose thier targets not why. To say that they killed because there was a gun free zone is as absurd as to say they killed because they had a gun. In fact the person you just described will feel he is helpless against those who have wronged him and will take his revenge on people who can't fight back. These types of killers retaliate against those who have wronged them. It would not matter who had guns or not. believe that if it makes you feel better

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