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Its not just you, Polite. I keep waiting to hear about these four handguns no one seems suddenly willing to talk about.

Seems some members of the pro gun lobby make this stuff up on the hoof Tazzy.

Gleefully pointing out the dead man had some other gun in his car, and claiming that means he didnt have a Bushmaster on his person.

Its like saying I have a cup of coffee beside me, just because there is milk in the fridge.

Actually, it was based upon an NBC report from December 15th. I no longer have the link, but I did catch it. The day after the tragic event, and well before the interview given by the State Police and the coroner about the types of weapons used.

There were not 4 handguns... there were 4 guns... 3 inside... one in the trunk.

the one in the trunk being the long gun negating all the ranting about how it'ts magazine capacity was responsible for the body count

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Its not just you, Polite. I keep waiting to hear about these four handguns no one seems suddenly willing to talk about.

Seems some members of the pro gun lobby make this stuff up on the hoof Tazzy.

Gleefully pointing out the dead man had some other gun in his car, and claiming that means he didnt have a Bushmaster on his person.

Its like saying I have a cup of coffee beside me, just because there is milk in the fridge.

Actually, it was based upon an NBC report from December 15th. I no longer have the link, but I did catch it. The day after the tragic event, and well before the interview given by the State Police and the coroner about the types of weapons used.

There were not 4 handguns... there were 4 guns... 3 inside... one in the trunk.

the one in the trunk being the long gun negating all the ranting about how it'ts magazine capacity was responsible for the body count

No. In the trunk was a long gun. In the building were the Bushmaster and 2 hand guns...

It doesnt matter what was in the trunk. I will go with the coroner's report every time. And HE said the weapon that was used was a high power rifle to kill the children....

NEWTOWN, Conn.--Dr. H. Wayne Carver, the medical examiner investigating Friday's massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, said autopsies completed on 20 children and six adults on Saturday showed they were killed with multiple bullets fired by a rifle at close range.

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The veteran medical examiner told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old suspected shooter, used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/medical-examiner-sandy-hook-victims-died-multiple-gunshot-211722237.html

Now, you can fantasize about the gun in the trunk all you wish. He had 4 guns, 3 recovered from inside, one being the bushmaster.

Who cares what was in the trunk?

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the story in question says that there were no long guns in the school (a bushmaster is counted as a long gun)
and the 223 is not a high powered rifle it is a glorifiyed 22 and this is still dependent upon the accuracy of the report

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its not just you, Polite. I keep waiting to hear about these four handguns no one seems suddenly willing to talk about.

Seems some members of the pro gun lobby make this stuff up on the hoof Tazzy.

Gleefully pointing out the dead man had some other gun in his car, and claiming that means he didnt have a Bushmaster on his person.

Its like saying I have a cup of coffee beside me, just because there is milk in the fridge.

Actually, it was based upon an NBC report from December 15th. I no longer have the link, but I did catch it. The day after the tragic event, and well before the interview given by the State Police and the coroner about the types of weapons used.

There were not 4 handguns... there were 4 guns... 3 inside... one in the trunk.

the one in the trunk being the long gun negating all the ranting about how it'ts magazine capacity was responsible for the body count

No. In the trunk was a long gun. In the building were the Bushmaster and 2 hand guns...

It doesnt matter what was in the trunk. I will go with the coroner's report every time. And HE said the weapon that was used was a high power rifle to kill the children....

NEWTOWN, Conn.--Dr. H. Wayne Carver, the medical examiner investigating Friday's massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, said autopsies completed on 20 children and six adults on Saturday showed they were killed with multiple bullets fired by a rifle at close range.

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The veteran medical examiner told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old suspected shooter, used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/medical-examiner-sandy-hook-victims-died-multiple-gunshot-211722237.html

Now, you can fantasize about the gun in the trunk all you wish. He had 4 guns, 3 recovered from inside, one being the bushmaster.

Who cares what was in the trunk?

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the story in question says that there were no long guns in the school (a bushmaster is counted as a long gun)
and the 223 is not a high powered rifle it is a glorifiyed 22 and this is still dependent upon the accuracy of the report

What story in question? I gave you direct quotes from the coroner himself.

Here is another... note the date.

Newtown shooter's guns: What we know
By Steve Almasy, CNN
updated 10:11 AM EST, Wed December 19, 2012

(CNN) -- Adam Lanza brought three weapons inside Sandy Hook Elementary school on December 14 and left a fourth in his car, police said. Those weapons were a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns -- a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm.

In the car he left a shotgun, about which police have offered no details. Lanza used one of the handguns to take his own life, although police haven't said whether the gun was the Glock or the Sig Sauer.

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The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.

An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.

Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/index.html

Now, we have the State Police saying exactly what was found....

The coroner saying what was used.....

You are living in denial land over this issue.

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And you can fantasize about the rifle recovered from inside the school all you wish, but your own quotes of the coronor's/medical examiner's report proves you LIED about what he said. You said he called it a "high power rifle" but neither of the two quotes you posted say that.

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The veteran medical examiner told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old suspected shooter, used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.

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yatchie made a post about a story that said the only long gun was the one found in the trunk
it also stated that that gun was identifiedby gun experts as a shotgun
further that only handguns were found in the school
politesub then made a post that said yatchie was claiming that the shooter shot himself then put the gun in the car
I corrected him explaining that if the story was correct there was no long gun used in the shooting
You jumped into the middle of this assuming that I was arguing for the accuracy of the story which I did not at all times I used the word if
there is no fantasy or denial on my part because I didn't say it was accurate I said if it was accurate
you are far too inteligent not to understand the difference

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yatchie made a post about a story that said the only long gun was the one found in the trunk
it also stated that that gun was identifiedby gun experts as a shotgun
further that only handguns were found in the school
politesub then made a post that said yatchie was claiming that the shooter shot himself then put the gun in the car
I corrected him explaining that if the story was correct there was no long gun used in the shooting
You jumped into the middle of this assuming that I was arguing for the accuracy of the story which I did not at all times I used the word if
there is no fantasy or denial on my part because I didn't say it was accurate I said if it was accurate
you are far too inteligent not to understand the difference

I was already IN it before you posted. May wanna go back and c heck the posts, because I was already questioning the accuracy of the 4 handgun theory.

Post 743, Post 747, Post 755....

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An interesting tid bit of information

In studies involving interviews of felons, one of the reasons the majority of burglars try to avoid occupied homes is the chance of getting shot. (Increasing the odds of arrest is another.) A study of Pennsylvania burglary inmates reported that many burglars refrain from late-night burglaries because it's hard to tell if anyone is home, several explaining "That's the way to get shot." (Rengert G. and Wasilchick J., Suburban Burglary: A Time and a Place for Everything, 1985, Springfield, IL: Charles Thomas.)

By comparing criminal victimization surveys from Britain and the Netherlands (countries having low levels of gun ownership) with the U.S., Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck determined that if the U.S. were to have similar rates of "hot" burglaries as these other nations, there would be more than 450,000 additional burglaries per year where the victim was threatened or assaulted. (Britain and the Netherlands have a "hot" burglary rate near 45% versus just under 13% for the U.S., and in the U.S. a victim is threatened or attacked 30% of the time during a "hot" burglary.)

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An interesting tid bit of information

In studies involving interviews of felons, one of the reasons the majority of burglars try to avoid occupied homes is the chance of getting shot. (Increasing the odds of arrest is another.) A study of Pennsylvania burglary inmates reported that many burglars refrain from late-night burglaries because it's hard to tell if anyone is home, several explaining "That's the way to get shot." (Rengert G. and Wasilchick J., Suburban Burglary: A Time and a Place for Everything, 1985, Springfield, IL: Charles Thomas.)

By comparing criminal victimization surveys from Britain and the Netherlands (countries having low levels of gun ownership) with the U.S., Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck determined that if the U.S. were to have similar rates of "hot" burglaries as these other nations, there would be more than 450,000 additional burglaries per year where the victim was threatened or assaulted. (Britain and the Netherlands have a "hot" burglary rate near 45% versus just under 13% for the U.S., and in the U.S. a victim is threatened or attacked 30% of the time during a "hot" burglary.)

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And you can fantasize about the rifle recovered from inside the school all you wish, but your own quotes of the coronor's/medical examiner's report proves you LIED about what he said. You said he called it a "high power rifle" but neither of the two quotes you posted say that.

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The veteran medical examiner told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old suspected shooter, used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.

Try reading that again.

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Did you leave it out or there's (conveniently) no figures for Britain and the Netherlands about how often the victim is threatened or attacked during a "hot" burglary (US 30%)? Not looking to be difficult here, but I've contended several times that those inclined to break into US homes have the same right to bear arms as the home defender.