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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 12:40:45 AM   
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Do you have any thoughts for how to improve things?


Yes, actually. We need more threads, especially thought provoking or informative ones. Would everyone who reads this consider starting one?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 12:41:55 AM   
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FL has that in a way, but since you can't easily navigate the various discussions, they may as well not.

This is the only place right now where you can click a button to see what people have been talking about TODAY.



Uhhhh...you might want to change the instances of "you" to "I" in those sentences. Both of those functions are available on FL. In fact, there is the added value of email alerts for new topics in fora you opt into; I don't think that's available here.

Still, it sounds like many posters here are more interested in chatting among themselves than meeting new kinksters IRL. Which is nifty, but a different thing than I came looking for.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 12:44:07 AM   
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Descrite, I dare you to start a thread comparing fetlife and collarme.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 12:46:23 AM   
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I think Gamma was at least as bad and there's one other that is trying to take top crop.


Hillwilliam, I dare you to start a thread about which mods were the strictest.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 12:54:07 AM   
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Descrite, I dare you to start a thread comparing fetlife and collarme.

Pam

Please, no. Surely with the brains that inhabit these forums something a bit more stimulating can be found.

How about a thread on Immersion.. or Collusion. Ever start a session on a Friday night, blink and suddenly you're getting ready for work because it's monday morning? Or.. collusion.. how do the two sides of the kneel collude with one another.. do ends justify means? Are we suspending belief to enact fantasy's or delving into mind fucks to face realities, conquer fears, kill monsters or just for the thrill of fancy fucking?

I dare ya to start a thread, Pam, on something appropriate for the General Discussion Forum.



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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 12:54:28 AM   
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Remember LaT.

"THE TRUTH IS NOT A DEFENSE"

Feeling this one apparently the statement "I don't take being called a lazy cow well" is now a personal attack on OP...can only imagine who that claim will be used to say I insulted THIS time

Thinking comments about people leaving because of it are accurate. I too have health issues that mean relaxing, not dealing with drama drama drama

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 12:59:57 AM   
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I just did, yesterday, in general discussions. Whether it's interesting or not is not for me to say, but it's there.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 1:06:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

I just did, yesterday, in general discussions. Whether it's interesting or not is not for me to say, but it's there.

Pam

Cool.. I'll check it out tomorrow and start one as well. I've been wanting to get a topic about immersion started for a while and now the holidays are over and I'm back home, literally and figurately speaking, I have the time to do that. :)

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 1:50:20 AM   
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Uhhhh...you might want to change the instances of "you" to "I" in those sentences. Both of those functions are available on FL. In fact, there is the added value of email alerts for new topics in fora you opt into; I don't think that's available here.

Still, it sounds like many posters here are more interested in chatting among themselves than meeting new kinksters IRL. Which is nifty, but a different thing than I came looking for.
I can see how it might seem like that now. It is one of the things that has changed over the years. Maybe not so much the "hey, who wants to join for a threesome tonight?" type. The "hey, we're going to do X, who else?" kind of thing. X could be anything from who would be at a particular BDSM club on a certain night, to multiple day events, to get togethers that were organized by posters for private (semi-private) parties.

We were a nuisance a couple of times because people talked about how much fun we had getting together. Various groups in different locations across the country. I'll have to find a link to the "this isn't the neighborhood for orgy noises after 10:00 PM" thread.



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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 3:54:05 AM   
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What I did like was that we rarely saw her post in any threads except for warnings to "settle down". She kept her distance and that promoted the impression that she wasn't friends with any regulars and was just there to do a job.


And THAT is one of my biggest, (seriously!), beefs with moderation here now.

There is that insinuation that there are people who are in the know, as to who the moderators are. In my opinion, they should be 100% anonymous. Bar none. NO ONE should know who they are and they should not be participating in the forums except specific moderator duties.

I didn't always like Eleven. Sometimes I thought she/he was a right uptight nasty tempered cunt.......but I did half way respect the way he/she handled her/himself in that regard. I never once got the feeling that anyone REALLY knew who it was.

The way things are now allows the illusion that there are special people, favourites, etc.....



As an aside and FYI, I do not post under my regular nick AT ALL, have not done so since I took on the Alpha nick. Eleven, like other mods, had a regular nick....still posts under it even. As to illusions, I can assure you there are no favorites or special people. HillWilliam and I spoke on many occasions under my regular nick on the phone and in email,so by your reasoning he should be special and favored, but , as you can tell by his posts, that is not true. ( I truly hate that he feels that way, but understand the reasons why and agree I would probably feel the same were the roles reversed)

If you try to say that a moderator should not post at all except as a moderator with their duties, how do you possibly expect that, as volunteers, (with the exception of myself,) that you will ask VOLUNTEERS to not post at all except for in their volunteer positions, when the reason I picked them, and asked them to serve, was that they are/were all avid and regular posters and showed their love of the site through those posts? You expect them to not post AT ALL except as a moderator? What of the posters, some on this very thread, that are ex moderators? When it was decided that their service was no longer needed, should they not post now? Or should they not have posted while they were moderators? Because in fact they all did. They did not post on threads they moderated. That is different then Xi's term. Posting and moderating on the same threads were commonplace.Not so now. Do you think telling someone that their acceptance to volunteer when asked that will result in (Hopefully) many years of non participance on boards they agreed to help moderate because of their love, or that, while curtailing their posts while in duty, they should not make any personal or lighthearted comments because they will be seen in a lesser light, will actually even be able to be accomplished? Would not those non humorous moderators, bent on preserving the "sanctity" of moderation be even less well received? They would be called even uglier names than now.

As far as others that have moderation duties on site that may have posted here earlier,( not that it matters to some of you), the fact of recent hospitalization and medication for some serious health problems, coupled with the fact that they are so loyal to the site, may have contributed to their posts in this thread. It's not always easy to remain professional and non emotional, when the criticism is taken personally because of loyalty to the site and users, and it appears to be all negative. That is not intended as an excuse, but instead of calling someone psycho, this may make it more understandable. *shrugs* Except for one,with mitigating reasons, I would daresay that while users are free to vent all their observations of staff, we try to remain professional enough that the users dont always know our opinions. We agree to uphold the rules, as much as HUMANLY possible, no matter what our personal opinions on a specific matter may be. I have rambled long enough.

The thread is back. If a post was pulled, it was either in violation of TOS, or more likely referred to a post or poster that had a post pulled. Obviously, it is up to the posters, but it would be compassionate to take into account possible health issues and matters related to health concerning some posters, and letting sleeping dogs lie and going on with the subject at hand, which interestingly enough, specifically said was not about moderation. Carry on.


I am saying, and you and your minions apparently do not GET IT.....is that there is a PERCEPTION of an inner circle circle jerk.

If a person VOLUNTEERS to moderate, then that should be part of the deal. Anonymous. No one fucking knows who they are. No alluding to anyone knowing. Nada, zip, zero, zilch. If that VOLUNTEER doesn't like the terms of their service, they don't have to volunteer!

I think we've seen the......quality......of temperament. I am baffled, based upon past behaviour, that person was ever chosen to moderate. Then again, I have pretty high expectations of people in leadership positions. I wouldn't want to confine myself to the expectations I have of moderators and wouldn't volunteer. I also wouldn't expect to be asked to volunteer. But given the spectacle seen on here, I am clueless as to what those expectations of moderation even are.

It's beginning to feel like there is a crew of kinky, over the hill, church ladies running the place. Half off their meds, having over emotional break downs.

That being said....the only members who's long term, consistently steady behaviour, I would ask to volunteer......probably wouldn't take the job. So I do understand that there is a probable lack of available quality.

I like the potential this site has. But it's clearly malfunctional at best right now.


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 4:23:12 AM   
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One thing even though I don't really have the time.

The reasoning behind my words. We are on a site where there is tons of talk about leadership, honour, respect, qualities of leadership, etc etc etc...

I believe that for a moderator to be effective, they should have the respect of the people they are moderating. To have that respect they should have a history of behaviour that earns them the respect.....especially from their most difficult posters.

If a moderator hasn't got that respect, their job is going to be hella more difficult. Using the one that had the meltdown as example. Based on that person's history, I have no respect, no sense of trust that that person can moderate effectively. No sense of good leadership. If I see that person posting as moderator, I will have no respect for their attempts to moderate.......based on my perception of that person.

If I see an exchange between a moderator and another poster/s who I have no respect for, or even an active disregard. And that exchange suggests that the moderator and poster are friends, I am going to possibly think less of the person moderating, based on their friendship/s.

One of my least favourite, but now gone, posters used to complain about the issues of the above. It was obvious to me that he had zero respect for the persons moderating. But, I honestly, even though I cannot stand him, don't think he is a dishonourable person. I believe that had there been a less 'good old girls behind the scene' sense of how moderation works around here, he would have been more respective and much MUCH less work for the moderators.

I would love to explain more clearly, more in detail.....but I can't due to time. But seriously, my words are not intended to simply snark and tear at, leaving nothing positive. I am simply trying to give a point of view that seems to be overlooked or ignored.

Moderation needs to be consistent. It needs to be 100% anonymous with no potential for the assumption of favourites or insider trading. What the moderators say they know of themselves in that regard are irrelevant if the posters don't believe it. I am not suggesting that it exists because I don't know that it does. I am saying that the moderators are giving posters fuel to make that assumption and it is hurting them in the long run. Ruining their ability to be effective due to lack of respect.



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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 4:44:59 AM   
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Feeling this one apparently the statement "I don't take being called a lazy cow well" is now a personal attack on OP


Aha! I now understand the confusion - you left out some words in your post that I removed. Please check your CMail.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 5:16:16 AM   
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I am saying, and you and your minions apparently do not GET IT.....is that there is a PERCEPTION of an inner circle circle jerk.


There is also a perception of excessive moderation for off topic or thread drift and when I asked that people who had received gold letters in the past three months for such that were not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread to forward these to me so that I could add this to the documentation, which currently does not support moderation for off topic or thread drift, the result was a resounding silence, because moderation for off topic or thread drift is simply not happening to people in this thread (I did not look in P&R and did not count the two pulls that were after a mod warning).

It's harder to counter a perception of favoritism, but I will say the three mods who trained me did not show any favoritism during the training process or thereafter and some of my personal favorite posters are my most vocal critics and certainly receive no special treatment from me other than the internal wince that happens when I delete their posts.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 5:59:46 AM   
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I've explained to you how to avoid having to counter it.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 8:21:22 AM   
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If you try to say that a moderator should not post at all except as a moderator with their duties... Or should they not have posted while they were moderators?


VAA, I cannot speak for LaTigresse's intent, but what I meant was that when XI posted under his/her mod account, it was for moderation purposes and mostly in a no nonsense manner. There were no hugs and kisses, welcome backs to members who'd been gone, sexual innuendo, game participation or chit chat with other posters. There were no special name tags awarded.

XI might have had favorites, might have given some special passes, and might have used his/her power to promote an agenda... I don't know. But that is the point. There were no outward signs that XI was anything but there to keep the kiddies in line.

I think that if a mod continues to post and participate in the forum under his/her regular account, that is great... as long as their identity as a mod remains secret and they do not participate in threads they are moderating.


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... when I asked that people who had received gold letters in the past three months for such that were not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread to forward these to me so that I could add this to the documentation ... the result was a resounding silence...


Chi, possibly the reason you didn't receive a lot of response (if any) is because once a post or thread is gone, we no longer have access to or record of it. That was my first thought when I read your request, and when Firm read it, he said the same thing.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 9:20:10 AM   
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Treasure, you hit the nail on the head exactly.

I don't feel there should be any identifier as to who a mod is. Not even as one mod has in their sig line. Something about being on perma loan from a regular poster. That alludes to the idea that it is a wife/sub/slave of that poster and therefor, back to what I was discussing.

Mods should be anonymous. Otherwise, why the hell even bother with a separate account for them????

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 9:27:00 AM   
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when I asked that people who had received gold letters in the past three months for such that were not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread to forward these to me so that I could add this to the documentation, which currently does not support moderation for off topic or thread drift, the result was a resounding silence,

We can't forward or refer to something that we no longer have access to.
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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 9:40:42 AM   
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 Even the heavely aroma isn't there any more.

Yeah, turkey makes me puke too!!!!




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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 9:50:29 AM   
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Ah, the thread is back lol.

Ya know what I find funny and apparently it's just me. I've been on CM since it first started and I still have no clue and have never had a clue and probably will never have a clue as to who the mods are, what their mod names are, which mods do what, and all that stuff. Everyone keeps talking about how this mod does this and that mod does that and I'm sitting here thinking, how do you all keep track? When I get a gold letter, I usually have no idea which mod it was even from. I don't look at the name. I just shrug and delete it.

I am so very completely lost on the mod talk. I think that may be a good thing.


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 10:29:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

when I asked that people who had received gold letters in the past three months for such that were not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread to forward these to me so that I could add this to the documentation, which currently does not support moderation for off topic or thread drift, the result was a resounding silence,

We can't forward or refer to something that we no longer have access to.
For us mortals, when something gets pulled, it's GONE more thoroughly than the turkey in A Christmas Story. Even the heavely aroma isn't there any more.


I'm asking for the gold letters any posters rec'd in their CMail that meets all of this criteria:

- in the last three months
- for off topic or thread drift
- not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread

Please send to my CMail so Alpha and I can compare the documentation created with the letters received and see if there are any discrepancies or flaws in our system.

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