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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 5:17:07 PM   
Hillwilliam


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Treasure. Welcome back. Tell Firm we said howdy.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 5:17:24 PM   
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Since when was Eleven heavy-handed?
— Aswad.


When she banned a bunch of people and punished others so severely for minor infractions that a large group of posters left?

I got put on medationby XI for telling a friend that he needed to get laid.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 5:25:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Since when was Eleven heavy-handed?
— Aswad.


When she banned a bunch of people and punished others so severely for minor infractions that a large group of posters left?

I got put on medationby XI for telling a friend that he needed to get laid.


xi was the only mod to be out and out rude with me, loooong ago...

It's difficult to find a balance as a mod, I think; I do prefer a light hand, personally.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 5:25:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Since when was Eleven heavy-handed?
— Aswad.


When she banned a bunch of people and punished others so severely for minor infractions that a large group of posters left?

I got put on medationby XI for telling a friend that he needed to get laid.

I think Gamma was at least as bad and there's one other that is trying to take top crop.


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 5:50:34 PM   
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Christ on a stick!!!!

If what I saw from a 'moderator' on this thread is any indication of the mental stability of the people chosen to moderate.......god fucking help the people that own this joint.


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 5:52:10 PM   
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Sort of a fast reply.

The funny thing about this is that this thread started as a separate topic from a thread that was on....... Moderation. We were curious about what contributing factors might be what has led to the decline in threads, etc.

That bit about the decline in threads was a comment that I made. When we were discussing it, I was specifically thinking of a topic that I had been looking into a couple of years ago that specifically speaks to the upswing on dating/social sites during the holidays. I wrote a thread about it a couple of years ago. http://www.collarchat.com/m_3507296/mpage_1/key_holiday%252Ceffect/tm.htm#

Literally, I had a fascination with why activity was up then, just like I was interested in why there seemed to be a downturn now. (We have had a couple of posters write threads that are what seems to be a direct correlation to the holiday effect since the start of this thread.) I, and a couple of others, have mentioned the difference in having Fet, which I still believe to be true. I also now believe that the Sandy Hook shootings were also a contributing factor. The activity on the boards as a whole, was mainly in Politics &Religion and Off Topic due to that event. Maybe more than I even realized. Not bright of Me had I considered My own posting habits. When I'm in P&R more than I am talking about BDSM, that should have been My first hint.

Now, here's the funny part. If there is ever going to be a death of CM thing, it's going to be because people are no longer curious. This place revolves around questions. A lot of them are kink questions or questions about how people feel about issues. Sometimes, they are just questions about human behavior. Very much like the question that started this thread. It's a shame that was seen as something other than it was.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 5:58:19 PM   
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Golden Email recently (less than an hour ago recieved) and my reply

"Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks.

You can comment on moderator action in the moderation thread, but not in the "If they know you're armed, you're safer" thread. Please be sure to include the entire list "making another poster the topic after a moderator warning, personal attacks, and insulting the kinks of others""
THE TRUTH IS NOT A FUCKING DEFENSE?

My reply

"There is a diffference between attacking someone and pointing out they are a liar and backing it up with facts.



You should possibly visit my post in "the Decline of Collarme"

The quote being "Just because a report is made doesn't mean there is a TOS violation" Sometimes the person is just a whiny little bitch.





Don't tell me to take up with Alpha. I still havent gotten a reply from a query I made in September."


Again kids, the TRUTH is not a defense???????


What the FUCK???????




< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 1/3/2013 6:08:32 PM >


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 6:06:30 PM   
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I just love that a person can type shit, coming across as a psycho but god forbid you actually type that they are behaving like a psycho freak.

That leaves us sitting here, laughing, shaking our heads..........wondering what the newbies must think.

Oh yeah, that the place is being run by psycho freaks!

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 6:08:34 PM   
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Alpha has previously clarified the rule on personal attacks:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4248463

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER

Here is a good rule of thumb. Any statement that is made that is a “you” statement, that is derogatory in nature, is not going to be allowed.

President Abraham Lincoln was the most stupid president that existed in history because he believed the sky was blue. I’m surprised that he was able to put his pants on correctly in the morning with out help…..ACCEPTABLE.,

To generic collarmemember member. You are the most stupid person I have ever known because you believe the sky is blue. I’m surprised that you are able to put your pants on correctly…. UNACCEPTABLE

To generic collarme member: The idea that the sky is blue is laughable and ludicrous and stupid! Wow. I cant believe anyone believes that! ACCEPTABLE.

To generic collarme member: The idea that the sky is blue is laughable and ludicrous and stupid! Wow. I cant believe you believe that! UNACCEPTABLE.

I can only cover a little bit about the grey area that seems to confuse people, because it is on a case by case basis and is based in large part on INTENT,

If you are talking about an idea, etc. no matter whether, right, left, middle, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Tea Party, and whatever all the other terms, it is acceptable.

To say because YOU are any one of the above YOU are “derogatory comment” is not acceptable.

It is really hard to make a personal attack without using the term you.It’s not the only way to do it, and possible other ways, but is almost certain if it is used, and is derogatory in any manner. If in doubt, honestly, you can email a Collarme Team moderator and ask them if a particular statement would be viewed as a personal attack, and get an answer. My advice would be to carefully analyze any statement you are preparing to make that has the term “you” in it before clicking send. If you don’t, please don’t be surprised if you get a post pulled, and a note from one of us.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 6:09:38 PM   
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Remember LaT.

"THE TRUTH IS NOT A DEFENSE"



ETA. I wonder if there is room for that on my sig line.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 1/3/2013 6:10:06 PM >


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 6:11:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

The purpose of this thread is to explore a tangent I picked up from the "a thread on moderation" thread. I noted many of the regulars lamenting some sort of decline in collarme. Given that I happen to like this site I thought I'd ask for people's thoughts on this that are NOT related to moderation.

What has changed?
Do you have any thoughts for how to improve things?


Ehhhh fuck...who gives a fuck?

Everyone (like assholes [or something like that}) has an opinion.

The only opinion that matters, by the way....is mine.

CollarMe is a great place. It's free, spontaneous and but for a few (who disagree with me), it ain't a bad place.

(Did I mention it's free?).

Back to the (pertinent) point.....it only matters if you disagree (with me).

So...there ya have it.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 6:11:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Treasure. Welcome back. Tell Firm we said howdy.



Hi, Hill and thank you. Firm says, "hello!"

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Since when was Eleven heavy-handed?
— Aswad.


When she banned a bunch of people and punished others so severely for minor infractions that a large group of posters left?

I got put on medationby XI for telling a friend that he needed to get laid.

I think Gamma was at least as bad and there's one other that is trying to take top crop.



With regard to Mod XI, I can't say I had much personal experience with her, but she's the only mod I've ever heard from (other than notices of posts removed for quoting where the original post was deleted). What I did like was that we rarely saw her post in any threads except for warnings to "settle down". She kept her distance and that promoted the impression that she wasn't friends with any regulars and was just there to do a job.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 6:17:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
What I did like was that we rarely saw her post in any threads except for warnings to "settle down". She kept her distance and that promoted the impression that she wasn't friends with any regulars and was just there to do a job.


And THAT is one of my biggest, (seriously!), beefs with moderation here now.

There is that insinuation that there are people who are in the know, as to who the moderators are. In my opinion, they should be 100% anonymous. Bar none. NO ONE should know who they are and they should not be participating in the forums except specific moderator duties.

I didn't always like Eleven. Sometimes I thought she/he was a right uptight nasty tempered cunt.......but I did half way respect the way he/she handled her/himself in that regard. I never once got the feeling that anyone REALLY knew who it was.

The way things are now allows the illusion that there are special people, favourites, etc.....

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 1/3/2013 6:18:38 PM >


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 6:18:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Since when was Eleven heavy-handed?
— Aswad.


When she banned a bunch of people and punished others so severely for minor infractions that a large group of posters left?

I got put on medationby XI for telling a friend that he needed to get laid.

I think Gamma was at least as bad and there's one other that is trying to take top crop.


Not from my POV. I got nasty notes from XI on at least a monthly basis and now with no change in my posting patterns or attitude I've gotten maybe 3 in the last year.

The mods are doing a fine job.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 6:22:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
With regard to Mod XI, I can't say I had much personal experience with her, but she's the only mod I've ever heard from (other than notices of posts removed for quoting where the original post was deleted). What I did like was that we rarely saw her post in any threads except for warnings to "settle down". She kept her distance and that promoted the impression that she wasn't friends with any regulars and was just there to do a job.

Really? My debates with you and Firm were almost always certain to bring XI down on my head. She made it abundantly clear to me that disagreeing with you two, even when provably absolutely correct, was forbidden.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 6:27:42 PM   
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quote:

The way things are now allows the illusion that there are special people, favourites, etc.....


Some of my favorite posters are my biggest critics. Two of them are in this thread. The only special treatment they get is the wince when I push the delete button.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 10:18:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
What I did like was that we rarely saw her post in any threads except for warnings to "settle down". She kept her distance and that promoted the impression that she wasn't friends with any regulars and was just there to do a job.


And THAT is one of my biggest, (seriously!), beefs with moderation here now.

There is that insinuation that there are people who are in the know, as to who the moderators are. In my opinion, they should be 100% anonymous. Bar none. NO ONE should know who they are and they should not be participating in the forums except specific moderator duties.

I didn't always like Eleven. Sometimes I thought she/he was a right uptight nasty tempered cunt.......but I did half way respect the way he/she handled her/himself in that regard. I never once got the feeling that anyone REALLY knew who it was.

The way things are now allows the illusion that there are special people, favourites, etc.....



As an aside and FYI, I do not post under my regular nick AT ALL, have not done so since I took on the Alpha nick. Eleven, like other mods, had a regular nick....still posts under it even. As to illusions, I can assure you there are no favorites or special people. HillWilliam and I spoke on many occasions under my regular nick on the phone and in email,so by your reasoning he should be special and favored, but , as you can tell by his posts, that is not true. ( I truly hate that he feels that way, but understand the reasons why and agree I would probably feel the same were the roles reversed)

If you try to say that a moderator should not post at all except as a moderator with their duties, how do you possibly expect that, as volunteers, (with the exception of myself,) that you will ask VOLUNTEERS to not post at all except for in their volunteer positions, when the reason I picked them, and asked them to serve, was that they are/were all avid and regular posters and showed their love of the site through those posts? You expect them to not post AT ALL except as a moderator? What of the posters, some on this very thread, that are ex moderators? When it was decided that their service was no longer needed, should they not post now? Or should they not have posted while they were moderators? Because in fact they all did. They did not post on threads they moderated. That is different then Xi's term. Posting and moderating on the same threads were commonplace.Not so now. Do you think telling someone that their acceptance to volunteer when asked that will result in (Hopefully) many years of non participance on boards they agreed to help moderate because of their love, or that, while curtailing their posts while in duty, they should not make any personal or lighthearted comments because they will be seen in a lesser light, will actually even be able to be accomplished? Would not those non humorous moderators, bent on preserving the "sanctity" of moderation be even less well received? They would be called even uglier names than now.

As far as others that have moderation duties on site that may have posted here earlier,( not that it matters to some of you), the fact of recent hospitalization and medication for some serious health problems, coupled with the fact that they are so loyal to the site, may have contributed to their posts in this thread. It's not always easy to remain professional and non emotional, when the criticism is taken personally because of loyalty to the site and users, and it appears to be all negative. That is not intended as an excuse, but instead of calling someone psycho, this may make it more understandable. *shrugs* Except for one,with mitigating reasons, I would daresay that while users are free to vent all their observations of staff, we try to remain professional enough that the users dont always know our opinions. We agree to uphold the rules, as much as HUMANLY possible, no matter what our personal opinions on a specific matter may be. I have rambled long enough.

The thread is back. If a post was pulled, it was either in violation of TOS, or more likely referred to a post or poster that had a post pulled. Obviously, it is up to the posters, but it would be compassionate to take into account possible health issues and matters related to health concerning some posters, and letting sleeping dogs lie and going on with the subject at hand, which interestingly enough, specifically said was not about moderation. Carry on.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 11:20:56 PM   
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Does FetLife have a forum such as this? I'm not a member there but I like forums. On their front page they describe the site as a kinky Facebook. If they don't have a forum section like this format I probably would not be interested.


Yes. They have discussion boards, about all sorts of topics (spanning the spectrum, from Very Serious Social Issues to Utterly Frivolous Nonsense). And the posts seem very much like Internet forum postings everywhere...including this site.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/3/2013 11:32:41 PM   
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They have various discussions groups. They do not have a forum as I interpret the word's definition - which is various discussions going on at the same time.

FL has that in a way, but since you can't easily navigate the various discussions, they may as well not.

This is the only place right now where you can click a button to see what people have been talking about TODAY.



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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/4/2013 12:13:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Since when was Eleven heavy-handed?
— Aswad.


When she banned a bunch of people and punished others so severely for minor infractions that a large group of posters left?

I got put on medationby XI for telling a friend that he needed to get laid.


No kidding. I got so many gold letter's from 11 and 2 suspensions. It's way way more laid back now to me.

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