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Hillwilliam -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 11:10:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


If you looked, you will also frequently see the disclaimer of
"Ignorant is defined by Webster as 'lacking knowledge'"

Again, it refers to my recent thread and new sig line "Truth is not a defense"

If you tell a 400# person in your practice that they are obese, is it an attack?
If you tell a person who cannot read they are illiterate, is it an attack?
If you tell a person who has no math skills they are inumerate, is it an attack?
If you call a 5' tall man 'short' is it an attack?



Some may take all those as attacks, unfortunately.

Here is the question of the day.

Is it an attack or is someone just being a whiny little bitch?

That and some passive-agressive troll being called on their bullshit seems to be the 2 most prevalent reasons for Gold Letters.



Hillwilliam -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 11:12:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Obesity is a clinical finding... based... horribly.. on BMI at one time. Thankfully, we seem to be getting away from that. An NFL player who has a obese rating per BMI isnt necessarily obese.

At just under 4% body fat per the old caliper test, the insurance charts called me overweight.



tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 11:13:06 AM)

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That's why I said "In YOUR office" You're a medical person right?
Please read the whole sentence.


lol.. well.. I am sorry I didnt read it all the way through. You are right... I could possibly get away with saying it.... in that setting.

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As for "A 5 foot tall man isnt short to a horse jockey. "
There are 3 possibilities for height. short, medium, tall.
A 5' tall man would be considered _______________?


To me, short... to someone 4' 7... tall.

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As for someone CLAIMING to be fit. that's a medical diagnosis which you already said layperson's aren't qualified to make.


I was referring to the person who said they were 400 lbs and claiming to be fit.

According to BMI index... 8'2" at 400 lbs would make one not clinically obese.

Only 3 people would fit that that I could find on the great webz.

But, as we both know, BMI isnt always accurate.

I disgress... back to your post.

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I know you like to support your local mods .

MOST of them are fair.


[sm=rofl.gif]

I do support the jobs they do... its not an easy one. Do I support ALL their decisions? Hell no. There probably isnt one I havent argued with over something. Even Alpha.

I support the police as well... I sure as hell dont agree with everything they do either.

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Some in the past have been absolute idiots who act like some kid rejected for a hall monitor position and have run a lot of nice people off.
There are no consistent rules. The things written in TOS are ignored as often as they are used and made up stuff put in their place.


One of the things Alpha and I, sometimes, clash about is posts. I dont think she will mind me mentioning this fact. I will often ask her why something was allowed to stand. And, after listening to her explanation, often, I see her point of view. I may not agree with it... but I dont have too. If her viewpoint is valid, to me, then its her decision. Sometimes I may see something that makes me wonder if its truly a violation or not. I will ask her or one of the others for them to make a judgement call. And I accept their judgement.

Just as frequently I get told its none of my business, and I accept that as well. I get told to ask Alpha, and I do. I am really starting to find it humorous that so many believe I am in goose-step agreement with the moderation here.

I was part of the while "lesbian" take down.. and my efforts were not exactly welcomed by the admins at that time, including Alpha. If and when I feel strongly about something, I will push... hard. The Admins know this about me, Alpha knows this about me. You guys dont because I dont make it public.

But, I do not always agree with every decision they make. But its their place to make it. I am a vistor to their house. If I dont like the rules, I can always leave.




jlf1961 -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 11:24:22 AM)

I am going to put this as bluntly as I can.

If you have a problem with the way some of the mods do their duties, you have two choices.

1) Accept that they are human, therefore far from perfect, and going to react in a manner consistent with their personality.

Or

2) Stop posting in the forums.



tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 11:29:54 AM)

I agree. I find changes can come... if approached with the right attitude. But demanding they change because one doesnt like the way things are run is not the way to go about it.



Level -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 11:31:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Obesity is a clinical finding... based... horribly.. on BMI at one time. Thankfully, we seem to be getting away from that. An NFL player who has a obese rating per BMI isnt necessarily obese.


Agreed on how screwed up the BMI is.



doctorgrey -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:02:10 PM)

Is the BMI to blame then?
... for the decline?

DrG



metamorfosis -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:17:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I am going to put this as bluntly as I can.

If you have a problem with the way some of the mods do their duties, you have two choices.

1) Accept that they are human, therefore far from perfect, and going to react in a manner consistent with their personality.

Or

2) Stop posting in the forums.


I hate that argument. It's just not true. There is a perfectly good third option that many here are choosing: to say what they're discontented about in an effort to get it changed.

I said this on another thread, but it's worth repeating: this "accept the status quo or leave argument" is very much like telling Rosa Parks to just get off the bus.

You may disagree with what they're saying, but posters have the right to make their grievances known.

Pam



metamorfosis -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:30:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I find changes can come... if approached with the right attitude. But demanding they change because one doesnt like the way things are run is not the way to go about it.


I agree. Using a different attitude to lobby for change would be much more effective. So I guess the question is: what matters more, realizing that change or comporting oneself a certain way in the pursuit of it?

Pam





Hillwilliam -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:35:01 PM)

Asking nicely hasn't worked too well in the past.
It tends to be drowned out by those who say "Love it or leave it".[8|]
In the past year, how many truly wonderful and respected posters have done exactly that?



metamorfosis -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:36:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
You WILL (or at least I will) get gold letters for simply saying "You lack the knowledge in this subject" SOME of us don't even have to say "Ignorant"


That sucks.

Pam




LaTigresse -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:37:49 PM)

Too many.



metamorfosis -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:44:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Asking nicely hasn't worked too well in the past.
It tends to be drowned out by those who say "Love it or leave it".[8|]
In the past year, how many truly wonderful and respected posters have done exactly that?


I haven't noticed anyone asking nicely, but then I don't read many threads, and when I do it's rarely all the way through.

Both sides are being pretty dogmatic. The one side says, why, oh why, can't you just write "that's stupid" for "you're stupid". The other side says, I would rather gouge my eyes out than have to write "that's stupid".

Both sides feel strongly and neither is trying very hard to see the other's point of view.

Is there any compromise that would suit both sides?

Pam





needlesandpins -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:49:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Too many.


QFT

needles



tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:50:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Asking nicely hasn't worked too well in the past.
It tends to be drowned out by those who say "Love it or leave it".[8|]
In the past year, how many truly wonderful and respected posters have done exactly that?



Many of whom made the stomping noise and flounced off. Someone cant be part of an effective change if all they do is bitch then leave.

For example... I pushed hard for the racial slut rule to be made. I am in no way taking sole credit for that policy to be made. It was a huge problem all over the boards with no clear cut policy. Now, when it pops up, there is no "grey area" for any Admin.... its a clear cut policy.

Dont forget something.... while Admins are in charge, they also follow the owners wishes. if the owner doesnt agree with something they want... which may be exactly what we want... they cant give it to us. Seen that happen on more than one web site.



tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 12:53:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I find changes can come... if approached with the right attitude. But demanding they change because one doesnt like the way things are run is not the way to go about it.


I agree. Using a different attitude to lobby for change would be much more effective. So I guess the question is: what matters more, realizing that change or comporting oneself a certain way in the pursuit of it?

Pam





For me, its both. In order to get that change, how I conduct myself goes a long way to how much the Admins/Site will listen.



metamorfosis -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:01:19 PM)

What is it that you guys want most? Do away with the "You Rule"? Have people moderate under their regular nics?

This is my suggestion to those who say TOS violations are allowed to remain:

In the thread where it happens, quote or reply to the offending post and underneath it say "your post violates TOS".

You don't even have to report it. Just saying that will draw public attention to any favoritism that may exist.

Pam



jlf1961 -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:03:23 PM)

Agree with that statement



metamorfosis -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:06:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
For me, its both. In order to get that change, how I conduct myself goes a long way to how much the Admins/Site will listen.


Some, perhaps, perceive conducting themselves in the way you describe as "selling out", and they would rather lose than have to act that way.

Pam



kdsub -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:09:22 PM)

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Asking nicely hasn't worked too well in the past.
It tends to be drowned out by those who say "Love it or leave it".
In the past year, how many truly wonderful and respected posters have done exactly that?


I'm not so sure Hill... they have given us a lot of leeway in subject drift after we complained...maybe something will come of this.

Butch



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