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vincentML -> Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 9:08:03 AM)
University of Connecticut Genetics Department has been asked to study Lanza's genes for markers of mental disease or violent behavior. Some geneticists have ethical objections. Some wonder at the efficacy of such a study. Is this a proper scientific and medical function? Or is it a toe into the doorway of some Orwellian future that will pose a challenge to individual liberty? Opinions? Source

Moonhead -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 11:04:01 AM)
Bullshit. Both the assumption that a genome search will find anything (maybe in another fifty years that'd sound a bit less risible), and that this is some Orwellian thang that's setting a precedent for anybody with the wrong genes to be rounded up and disposed of.

Aylee -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 11:29:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML University of Connecticut Genetics Department has been asked to study Lanza's genes for markers of mental disease or violent behavior. Some geneticists have ethical objections. Some wonder at the efficacy of such a study. Is this a proper scientific and medical function? Or is it a toe into the doorway of some Orwellian future that will pose a challenge to individual liberty? Opinions? Source Didn't they make a movie about this. Something where they could tell if you had the capability to break the law and if so, they would off you?

Moonhead -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 11:41:17 AM)
They did, but it has Tom Cruise in it, so it's a given that there's no scientific basis to support the premise. [;)]

jlf1961 -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 11:49:28 AM)
The movie in question "Minority Report" did not use DNA to determine if the person was going to commit a crime.

Moonhead -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 11:51:58 AM)
It was so bad I've blotted out most of my memory of it, to be honest. It was a time probe macguffin rather than DNA, then?

jlf1961 -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 11:54:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead It was so bad I've blotted out most of my memory of it, to be honest. It was a time probe macguffin rather than DNA, then? I cant remember either, but I know it was not DNA.

Moonhead -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 11:55:23 AM)
Why do they keep doing this shit to Phillip K Dick? Are they overcompensating for Blade Runner being a nifty SF thriller, or something?

jlf1961 -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 11:57:02 AM)
On the topic, you might want to look here.

blacksword404 -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:05:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 The movie in question "Minority Report" did not use DNA to determine if the person was going to commit a crime. You're probably thinking more gattaca than minority report.

vincentML -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:08:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Bullshit. Both the assumption that a genome search will find anything (maybe in another fifty years that'd sound a bit less risible), and that this is some Orwellian thang that's setting a precedent for anybody with the wrong genes to be rounded up and disposed of. And it will likely take a very long time to land a man on the moon, use flying robots in warfare, and hold computers in the palms of our hands. [8\|] ETA: oh yeh, and neither will anyone ever map the human genome.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:10:14 PM)
Back to the topic. I see people decrying the loss of liberty that might occur if genetic screening for mental illness became available. I see the same people decrying the fact that people who have mental illness can't get help. You can't help these people unless you can identify them. A tool isn't evil in and of itself. It's the user of the tool that is good, evil or neutral. I'm in favor of anything that can be used to identify those who need help. The flip side is, once they are identified, fucking HELP them.

vincentML -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:14:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Back to the topic. I see people decrying the loss of liberty that might occur if genetic screening for mental illness became available. I see the same people decrying the fact that people who have mental illness can't get help. You can't help these people unless you can identify them. A tool isn't evil in and of itself. It's the user of the tool that is good, evil or neutral. I'm in favor of anything that can be used to identify those who need help. The flip side is, once they are identified, fucking HELP them. Good points, Hill. I wonder if anyone can invision a day when the DNA of all newborn children is analyzed and recorded just as foot prints are now taken.

tj444 -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:21:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML University of Connecticut Genetics Department has been asked to study Lanza's genes I question anyone's right or the govt's right to seize his body or genes to study in the first place, unless they were actually given permission to do so by his family (which the article does not state)... its like there are people with genes or whatever that are resistant to various viruses (I think one person had HIV but was not sick or developed AIDs?), but anyway, the drug cos basically stole that and tried to profit from it by using that info on their dna or genes or whatever to produce drugs.. Without legally given permission, it is theft, imo.. Here is an article on that.. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/may/30/health.aids Scientists from Oxford University 'stole the blood' of African orphans and brought it back to Britain to carry out 'unlawful' research into Aids.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:21:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Back to the topic. I see people decrying the loss of liberty that might occur if genetic screening for mental illness became available. I see the same people decrying the fact that people who have mental illness can't get help. You can't help these people unless you can identify them. A tool isn't evil in and of itself. It's the user of the tool that is good, evil or neutral. I'm in favor of anything that can be used to identify those who need help. The flip side is, once they are identified, fucking HELP them. Good points, Hill. I wonder if anyone can invision a day when the DNA of all newborn children is analyzed and recorded just as foot prints are now taken. I predict fewer than 5 years before it becomes available to wealthy clients. Genetic therapies are already being used.

blacksword404 -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:21:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Back to the topic. I see people decrying the loss of liberty that might occur if genetic screening for mental illness became available. I see the same people decrying the fact that people who have mental illness can't get help. You can't help these people unless you can identify them. A tool isn't evil in and of itself. It's the user of the tool that is good, evil or neutral. I'm in favor of anything that can be used to identify those who need help. The flip side is, once they are identified, fucking HELP them. Good points, Hill. I wonder if anyone can invision a day when the DNA of all newborn children is analyzed and recorded just as foot prints are now taken. It always starts out with good intentions. But the temptation is there. " why not use it for this and that as well. It's a tool not being used to its full potential."

Hillwilliam -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:30:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML University of Connecticut Genetics Department has been asked to study Lanza's genes I question anyone's right or the govt's right to seize his body or genes to study in the first place, unless they were actually given permission to do so by his family (which the article does not state)... its like there are people with genes or whatever that are resistant to various viruses (I think one person had HIV but was not sick or developed AIDs?), but anyway, the drug cos basically stole that and tried to profit from it by using that info on their dna or genes or whatever to produce drugs.. Without legally given permission, it is theft, imo.. Here is an article on that.. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/may/30/health.aids Scientists from Oxford University 'stole the blood' of African orphans and brought it back to Britain to carry out 'unlawful' research into Aids. The medical examiner is the one who gave permission. An autopsy was ordered which is normal in such cases. When that happens, the ME is given custody of the body. Any and all tests that he or she deems necessary can then be performed. The family can try to prevent it and in some cases a stop can be put to it if they can show compelling evidence (religious for example) that the testing should be discontinued.

tj444 -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:40:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam The medical examiner is the one who gave permission. An autopsy was ordered which is normal in such cases. When that happens, the ME is given custody of the body. Any and all tests that he or she deems necessary can then be performed. The family can try to prevent it and in some cases a stop can be put to it if they can show compelling evidence (religious for example) that the testing should be discontinued. I personally feel the medical examiner has overstepped his bounds.. imo the family should be able to decide yes or no, not the ME.. so I disagree on moral grounds to his decision to do so.. If I was one of the family I would challenge it.. It is just like the article I posted the link to, there is no way to know how those genes will be used.. and frequently when Universities study such things, the results are sold to Big Pharma to profit from.. which I also disagree with..

Hillwilliam -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:42:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam The medical examiner is the one who gave permission. An autopsy was ordered which is normal in such cases. When that happens, the ME is given custody of the body. Any and all tests that he or she deems necessary can then be performed. The family can try to prevent it and in some cases a stop can be put to it if they can show compelling evidence (religious for example) that the testing should be discontinued. I personally feel the medical examiner has overstepped his bounds.. imo the family should be able to decide yes or no, not the ME.. so I disagree on moral grounds to his decision to do so.. If I was one of the family I would challenge it.. It is just like the article I posted the link to, there is no way to know how those genes will be used.. and frequently when Universities study such things, the results are sold to Big Pharma to profit from.. which I also disagree with.. I can definitely agree with your points. I was simply pointing out where permission and the chain of custody came from.

tj444 -> RE: Sorting Adam Lanza's Genome For Clues (12/27/2012 12:49:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam The medical examiner is the one who gave permission. An autopsy was ordered which is normal in such cases. When that happens, the ME is given custody of the body. Any and all tests that he or she deems necessary can then be performed. The family can try to prevent it and in some cases a stop can be put to it if they can show compelling evidence (religious for example) that the testing should be discontinued. I personally feel the medical examiner has overstepped his bounds.. imo the family should be able to decide yes or no, not the ME.. so I disagree on moral grounds to his decision to do so.. If I was one of the family I would challenge it.. It is just like the article I posted the link to, there is no way to know how those genes will be used.. and frequently when Universities study such things, the results are sold to Big Pharma to profit from.. which I also disagree with.. I can definitely agree with your points. I was simply pointing out where permission and the chain of custody came from. I understand what you are saying, I just dont agree with the decision.. Lanza's death was the result of being shot (at his own hand), that is quite evident and imo the end of the ME's job description (to determine the cause of death).. not to go any further unless he did get the family's permission to study his genes or brain, etc.. if the ME's rights extend that far, to send genes or the brains of any deceased, then any serial killers genes and brains (that are executed or die in prison), etc are subject to seizure for study.. and then anyone that dies of whatever diseases cant be treated in the same way after death.. I feel that is wrong and immoral.. and the start of a slippery slope..

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