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Kaliko -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 3:40:32 PM)
This really makes me so sad. I do actually see the point that perhaps doors should have been locked, etc. (Though in this particular case, I'm not sure anything would have been different.) And I understand that lawsuits have a financial impact and that we believe the a financial impact is the only way to draw attention and to prompt change. And yet, this embarrasses me as a parent and as an American. I can't imagine someone rising out of this suffering and loss and asking for money. It's reprehensible. We really need to examine ourselves.

tazzygirl -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 3:42:35 PM)
To effect change, sometimes the only way is through the threat of a wallet.

Kaliko -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 3:50:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl To effect change, sometimes the only way is through the threat of a wallet. I know...and I said as much in my post. I can't help but think, though, that - especially in a tragedy such as this in which so many people are affected, outraged, and invested - that a lawsuit is not necessary. We all feel it. There is constant debate because of this event. Things will happen, one way or another, because of this event. A lawsuit at this point seems unnecessary. I would like to see the right thing get done just because it should get done, not because it will cost money if it isn't. And I think we're not even giving whoever it may be the chance to do the right thing. We just...sue. That is what makes me sad. We've lost faith in someone just doing the right thing for the sake of it being the right thing. And if these are the low expectations we have of the leaders of our society, then those are the low expectations that will be met.

Politesub53 -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 4:15:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: In a society where people have such unrestricted access to Lawyers and progressive liberal Judges, frivolous lawsuits like these become the norm, not the exception. That Lawyer doesn't give a shit about the child, he only cares about the $$$$ he see's floating in front of his eyes. Its called capitalism. I wonder how many lawyers have been trying to make contact with those involved, without giving them time to come to terms with events, not that they can fully do that anyhow.

tazzygirl -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 4:31:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl To effect change, sometimes the only way is through the threat of a wallet. I know...and I said as much in my post. I can't help but think, though, that - especially in a tragedy such as this in which so many people are affected, outraged, and invested - that a lawsuit is not necessary. We all feel it. There is constant debate because of this event. Things will happen, one way or another, because of this event. A lawsuit at this point seems unnecessary. I would like to see the right thing get done just because it should get done, not because it will cost money if it isn't. And I think we're not even giving whoever it may be the chance to do the right thing. We just...sue. That is what makes me sad. We've lost faith in someone just doing the right thing for the sake of it being the right thing. And if these are the low expectations we have of the leaders of our society, then those are the low expectations that will be met. I have to wonder if this isnt a family who worried that change would not come soon enough and decided to push it to ensure it did. 100 million is a ridiculous amount.... the families from Columbine didnt get close to that.

Aylee -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 5:03:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl To effect change, sometimes the only way is through the threat of a wallet. I suppose I would feel better about the lawsuit if I knew exactly what change they wanted.

imdmb -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 5:06:17 PM)
the problems brought up in the case is not about the classroom doors, it's about the PA system. now in most U.S. schools the PA system is in the office. which means the lawsuit has piss little to do with what classrooms got broken into and everything to do with the fact that the PA system got turned on, presumably by the maniac, tho that is unclear based on that yahoo article so, lets assume it went down the way that makes sense for a lawsuit to happen. gunman comes in, goes to the office, starts shooting people and turns on the PA system. how is that foreseeable? and further more, how exactly are you supposed to stop that? keep the office constantly locked? and even if you did, gunman just has to hide the gun until you unlock the door. no, you're kidding me. this is a money grab yes the system should change, yes there should be better ways of locking down, hell when i was IN elementary school i was pointing out how tactically stupid it was that we would go where we went. but if they really wanted to use a lawsuit to change that, then why are they attacking how the office is laid out? simply put, the PA system can't be secured if it's the first thing attacked

slvemike4u -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 6:44:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl To effect change, sometimes the only way is through the threat of a wallet. I suppose I would feel better about the lawsuit if I knew exactly what change they wanted. Specificity might indeed be an issue here Aylee,but I am quite sure the bottom line is going to be a desire that their children,when at school,should in all eventualities remain safe and inviolable. I hope they get everything they are asking for [:)]

Aylee -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 9:22:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl To effect change, sometimes the only way is through the threat of a wallet. I suppose I would feel better about the lawsuit if I knew exactly what change they wanted. Specificity might indeed be an issue here Aylee,but I am quite sure the bottom line is going to be a desire that their children,when at school,should in all eventualities remain safe and inviolable. I hope they get everything they are asking for [:)] MIKE!!!!! I hope you have had a good start to the Christmas season! http://pjmedia.com/blog/gun-control-fails-say-statistics-from-gun-control-advocates/ Fun read. quote: Pinsky said he filed a claim on Thursday with state Claims Commissioner J. Paul Vance Jr., whose office must give permission before a lawsuit can be filed against the state. "We all know its going to happen again," Pinsky said on Friday. "Society has to take action." Yes, but what action. How do we protect what we value? Those Brinks and Wells Fargo trucks have armed guards. Court Houses have armed guards. The White House and The Vice President's Residence have armed guards. Our military bases have armed guards. Many businesses have armed guards. Politicians at ALL levels have armed guards. Media and Celebrities have armed guards. Sidwell Friends has armed guards. Are the rest of our children not as valuable?

Owner59 -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 9:39:00 PM)
Not where guns receive more protection than kids do..... This will probably break that town and bankrupt them. I`d like to see the NRA pay instead.

tazzygirl -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 10:10:54 PM)
Could this be the girl who survived by playing dead?

LafayetteLady -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/29/2012 10:29:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imdmb the problems brought up in the case is not about the classroom doors, it's about the PA system. now in most U.S. schools the PA system is in the office. which means the lawsuit has piss little to do with what classrooms got broken into and everything to do with the fact that the PA system got turned on, presumably by the maniac, tho that is unclear based on that yahoo article so, lets assume it went down the way that makes sense for a lawsuit to happen. gunman comes in, goes to the office, starts shooting people and turns on the PA system. how is that foreseeable? and further more, how exactly are you supposed to stop that? keep the office constantly locked? and even if you did, gunman just has to hide the gun until you unlock the door. no, you're kidding me. this is a money grab yes the system should change, yes there should be better ways of locking down, hell when i was IN elementary school i was pointing out how tactically stupid it was that we would go where we went. but if they really wanted to use a lawsuit to change that, then why are they attacking how the office is laid out? simply put, the PA system can't be secured if it's the first thing attacked The issue about the PA system is something I pointed out on the first page of this thread. The gunman did not turn on the PA. Someone in the office did so to warn the teachers what was happening and give them an opportunity to try to safeguard the children and themselves. The commotion that was heard was in the background. Not very promising for a lawsuit. On the other hand, it is very likely that most, if not all of these children are going to need some serious therapy to aid in their recovery from this tragedy. It is also quite likely that many of these people don't have the necessary medical coverage for all that therapy, so it is not really horrible for them to look for financial help in that regard. The outrageous sum asked for is likely to gain publicity, but also because in most personal injury suits the amount asked for in the initial papers is always higher than what is expected or wanted. It leaves room for negotiation at settlement. I still believe that the reasoning is flawed, but regardless of that, most juries are going to be sympathetic to the tragedy these children have suffered and will go for a large award.

subfever -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 12:17:05 AM)
quote: Thoughts? The parents contacted their attorney less than a week after the massacre. Was their attention truly redirected from their traumatized child towards litigation so quickly... or is there a bigger game being played behind the scenes?

Politesub53 -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 4:12:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Not where guns receive more protection than kids do..... This will probably break that town and bankrupt them. I`d like to see the NRA pay instead. Good post.....

DesideriScuri -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 8:18:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady The outrageous sum asked for is likely to gain publicity, but also because in most personal injury suits the amount asked for in the initial papers is always higher than what is expected or wanted. It leaves room for negotiation at settlement. I still believe that the reasoning is flawed, but regardless of that, most juries are going to be sympathetic to the tragedy these children have suffered and will go for a large award. There should be no room for sympathy in the law. There is right, and there is wrong. Even a wrong for the right reason, is still a wrong. I don't see the school as being negligent, and the actions of a psychopath shouldn't be "foreseeable," else we'd have to be on high alert everywhere, all the time. If the school is found to be negligent, through non-sympathetic eyes, then there should be a penalty, and at the very least, the judge should remain impartial and apply the law/sentence in a commensurate way.

tazzygirl -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 8:23:09 AM)
Criminal law should be emotionless. Civil law works differently.

DesideriScuri -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 8:31:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Criminal law should be emotionless. Civil law works differently. Should it be? I don't think so. If emotions play into a law, then, it isn't truly a law. Backgrounds and particulars being equal, there should be no difference in the sentences for a given crime. I do know that in criminal cases, there is a greater burden of proof required, and that's all well and good, but the results can't be tied to emotion, regardless of the level. Imagine how poorly that would go if there was a lawyer that was eminently capable of toying with a jury's emotions.

Aylee -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 9:00:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Criminal law should be emotionless. Civil law works differently. Should it be? I don't think so. If emotions play into a law, then, it isn't truly a law. Backgrounds and particulars being equal, there should be no difference in the sentences for a given crime. I do know that in criminal cases, there is a greater burden of proof required, and that's all well and good, but the results can't be tied to emotion, regardless of the level. Imagine how poorly that would go if there was a lawyer that was eminently capable of toying with a jury's emotions. You mean like a lawyer channeling a dead child. That could NEVER . . . oh wait.

PeonForHer -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 10:04:11 AM)
FR Well, so far as I can see, there are plenty of people in the USA who've become fat and rich making the instruments that kill people, or legally defending those who people who use these instruments to kill people. I can't see any reason why someone shouldn't get fat and rich as a result of his/her relative having been killed by one of these instruments, or representing one of those people. America is the land of the free. Everybody has the right to get fat and rich, no? Please, anyone, do present an argument as to why X is morally OK for becoming fat and rich at what he/she does, while Y is not. See how long and well that argument lasts. It'll be fun for all, honest! [:)]

Aylee -> RE: First lawsuit filed in Sandy Hook tragedy (12/30/2012 11:20:19 AM)
X is a product. There are many things that can be used to kill people. They pretty much all have a secondary use if not more. Y is blaming a third entity for the actions of a second entity. They are not producing anything. At least the lawyer would be doing some work. Y is just trying to make money on a tragedy.

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